ODYSSEY Drift tune?
- Thread starter GTCR
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- 9,589
- GTP_DelphicR
- Esoterik1
No....
Drift it like an AWD. It IS an AWD. Trying to make it RWD defeats the point of drifting an AWD.
They are two completely different styles, and require different approaches. Very little countersteer, if any, during the drift, different entrance speeds, different methods for controlling the vehicle mid drift, etc...
To the OP... I have a drift tune for the Odyssey.
When I get a chance, I'll post up my settings.
- 2,163
- England
No....
Drift it like an AWD. It IS an AWD. Trying to make it RWD defeats the point of drifting an AWD.
They are two completely different styles, and require different approaches. Very little countersteer, if any, during the drift, different entrance speeds, different methods for controlling the vehicle mid drift, etc...
To the OP... I have a drift tune for the Odyssey.
When I get a chance, I'll post up my settings.
But your not making it RWD as its still AWD and that is my opinion on what I do when I rarely drift an AWD car, I try to make it as close to RWD as possible.
- 9,589
- GTP_DelphicR
- Esoterik1
If you've done it, you should know better. Setting it to 10/90 does indeed just about make it RWD (in GT5, not IRL). The front wheels do almost nothing. Watch a replay. Do you have something against AWD drifting (seriously, just a question, not a dig)?
No, it's not like RWD drifting, but that isn't a bad thing. It's completely different and very enjoyable (although a bit easier than RWD drifting in some ways).
Honestly, give it a try sometime (with normal VCD settings), and treat it like an AWD. You will have to change how you drift, but that's just more knowledge/experience on how to drive/drift different vehicles/drive trains.
That being said.... It's a game. You can enjoy it any way you want. I'm just trying to help you understand what the GAME is doing when you change certain settings, as opposed to what would happen in the real world.
- 9,589
- GTP_DelphicR
- Esoterik1
I will do so as soon as I can.
However, a family emergency came up (a few minutes ago) and I will be away for a time (not sure how long).
However, a family emergency came up (a few minutes ago) and I will be away for a time (not sure how long).
- 2,163
- England
If you've done it, you should know better. Setting it to 10/90 does indeed just about make it RWD (in GT5, not IRL). The front wheels do almost nothing. Watch a replay. Do you have something against AWD drifting (seriously, just a question, not a dig)?
No, it's not like RWD drifting, but that isn't a bad thing. It's completely different and very enjoyable (although a bit easier than RWD drifting in some ways).
Honestly, give it a try sometime (with normal VCD settings), and treat it like an AWD. You will have to change how you drift, but that's just more knowledge/experience on how to drive/drift different vehicles/drive trains.
That being said.... It's a game. You can enjoy it any way you want. I'm just trying to help you understand what the GAME is doing when you change certain settings, as opposed to what would happen in the real world.
Im not against AWD 'drifting' I just dont believe having power on four wheels classes as a drift car or indeed a drift at all
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- nk4e
Take your time.👍I will do so as soon as I can.
However, a family emergency came up (a few minutes ago) and I will be away for a time (not sure how long).
my Gt4 project that I didn't put enough time into
Treating a vehicle on how its meant to be handle takes alot of skill. For example, try limiting your self without a setup but ebrake and stock tires. Is it possible to drift? Yes, will it act differently with different tires..yes. Drifting a AWD car like a AWD is awesome. Though in terms of this game, it is pure fun and skill attaining. It may help you understand RWD more in some case of where the grip should be at. I wonder why there are AWD turned FR in JGTC is it just because of a regulation?
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- limepiekey
If you've done it, you should know better. Setting it to 10/90 does indeed just about make it RWD (in GT5, not IRL). The front wheels do almost nothing. Watch a replay. Do you have something against AWD drifting (seriously, just a question, not a dig)?
No, it's not like RWD drifting, but that isn't a bad thing. It's completely different and very enjoyable (although a bit easier than RWD drifting in some ways).
Honestly, give it a try sometime (with normal VCD settings), and treat it like an AWD. You will have to change how you drift, but that's just more knowledge/experience on how to drive/drift different vehicles/drive trains.
That being said.... It's a game. You can enjoy it any way you want. I'm just trying to help you understand what the GAME is doing when you change certain settings, as opposed to what would happen in the real world.
While i think it's entirely a matter of opinion, I do think there's something to be said for a 70/30 or so torque split on AWD. More power to the front means that you're battling understeer a lot more, but it also makes corner exits considerably more...uh..explosive for lack of a better word. With more torque at the front, i feel like i'm driving a rally car and drifting becomes much less about style, angle, etc... and more about aggressively going as fast as possible.
That said, drifting to me IS more about style, angle and beauty and a 90/10 torque split will no doubt get you closer to that ideal.
Honestly i think it'd be awesome to have a full on RACE with AWD cars on comfort hard tires, as AWD to me epitomize high speed minimum counter-steer utilitarian drifts. But that could just be the rally car fan in me talking.
Here's a little video to kinda explain what i'm talking about....remember this dude is RACING, as in going for time. The showyness is just a bi-product of that speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDBICkz7Pq4
- 9,589
- GTP_DelphicR
- Esoterik1
Unfortunately, YOU do not have the power to decide what is classified as a "drift". In the motorsport sense, only RWD cars can compete against each other. However, the definition of drifting is a controlled slide. Therefore, anything that can perform a controlled slide, can drift by definition.
What do you think rally cars are doing in tarmac events in the WRC? Even the rally drivers themselves consider it drifting.
Ummm... It's 10/90. 90/10 would be borderline FWD, and certainly wouldn't help your style/angle. Besides that, we're getting into something very subjective. Personally, I think it looks ridiculous when I see an AWD vehicle drifting around at full lock with smoke only coming from the rear tires. That's what RWD cars are for. AWD drifting can look very impressive, and offers you the possibility of huge angles, high speed, no countersteer, etc...
- 2,163
- England
Unfortunately, YOU do not have the power to decide what is classified as a "drift". In the motorsport sense, only RWD cars can compete against each other. However, the definition of drifting is a controlled slide. Therefore, anything that can perform a controlled slide, can drift by definition.
What do you think rally cars are doing in tarmac events in the WRC? Even the rally drivers themselves consider it drifting
Well I if we were to do a vote involving all the experienced drifters in this forum I guarantee more than three quarters of the voters will agree that AWD is not drifting. Yes you may be able to do, what looks like, a drift in an AWD car but it wont come close to drifting a RWD car which is why literally nearly all the drift teams on here drift RWD 95% of the time.
I'm not saying you should stop or that my word is final so you must go by it, thats just my opinion which has been formed over the years of watching only RWD cars drift 👍
- 9,589
- GTP_DelphicR
- Esoterik1
I AM one of those experienced drifters. Been here since GT3 (we didn't have so much of this RWD/AWD feuding back then). Your argument falls short on many levels. It's not down to "opinion"...
The definition of drifting is a controlled slide. Period. Even by motorsport standards. It's a term used to describe a vehicle losing traction in a controlled manner. It's a term used in every motorsport out there, because it's possible in every motorsport (except maybe powered unicycle racing.... really, it does exist)
Talk to any RL experienced drifter. I have talked to a number of them myself, when I used to drift my 240SX Coupe (R.I.P) locally (Kent/Seattle area). They all think this silly RWD/AWD feud is ridiculous.
Why are you, and so many others, so quick to jump on AWD drifting? Yes, it's easier for most, than RWD. That's it.
It's still considered "drifting" by definition.
Should AWD's be allowed to drift with RWD's competitively? No... That wouldn't make any sense. They are too different, and shouldn't be judged in exactly the same way. Nonetheless, they are both able to drift.
my .02 cents.
- 2,163
- England
I should imagine I wont be able to win this argument were having so i'll just finish off with saying i'm not anti AWD drifting its just most examples of drifting for show and fun (not in WRC etc.) are done in RWD cars and is my preference. I also cant really think of any other popular AWD cars that are popular for drifting apart from the impreza and evo compared to the amount of popular RWD cars there are. Anyway as I said I have nothing against you drifting AWD cars and I certainly wouldn't pass up the opportunity to watch someone get an impreza sideways. 👍
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- limepiekey
Ummm... It's 10/90. 90/10 would be borderline FWD, and certainly wouldn't help your style/angle. Besides that, we're getting into something very subjective. Personally, I think it looks ridiculous when I see an AWD vehicle drifting around at full lock with smoke only coming from the rear tires. That's what RWD cars are for. AWD drifting can look very impressive, and offers you the possibility of huge angles, high speed, no countersteer, etc...
yeah......
I reversed my torque split numbers on accident 30/70 and 10/90, is what i meant. Not the other way around. Just out of curiosity how do you feel about RWD conversions on Imprezas and evos, like those seen in D1? Kinda bugs me personally, but to each their own i suppose.
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- freDemon
Delphic ReasonWhy are you, and so many others, so quick to jump on AWD drifting? Yes, it's easier for most, than RWD. That's it.
It's still considered "drifting" by definition.
Should AWD's be allowed to drift with RWD's competitively? No... That wouldn't make any sense. They are too different, and shouldn't be judged in exactly the same way. Nonetheless, they are both able to drift.
my .02 cents.
and well, that right there is what everyone needs to realize!!
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- ZSPaulus
I am suprised at the fact that we cant have any discussion on AWD/FR/FF "drifiting" but the mods always start the rants/discussions. Fine by me if you have an opinion that differs from others, but get your stories straight. One mod telling me i cant say FF cant drift; the other telling people to not tune their AWD cars to handle as FR as possible.
Not to be hatefull; but it seems the mods here on GTplanet like to tell people what they should or shouldnt do.. And i dont like that.
It is nice to see a mod though that agrees with us drifters that FR and AWD should not drift together in competitions..
Not to be hatefull; but it seems the mods here on GTplanet like to tell people what they should or shouldnt do.. And i dont like that.
It is nice to see a mod though that agrees with us drifters that FR and AWD should not drift together in competitions..
