Only 2/3 of a rear wing in 2007?

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Because before moving to the side to overtake you first have to leave the clean air caused by the gap, then go past the dirty air caused by the two side spoilers and then into the clean air as you pull alongside.
But you’d be on a straight … on a straight it doesn’t matter. Hell, for best top speed you want to be in dirty air!

Blake
 
Im not sure where to post this but dont you think F1 cars are starting to become more and more ugly. You cant really tell from watching them on TV but on close up pics i think all these aerodynamic parts hanging off the cars and slits everwhere are ruining the smooth, sleek look of an F1 car. Especially this rumor of the 2 part wing for 2007. Cant they just take all these flappy bits off the body and have one uniform shape!!
I mean in a couple of years, is F1 even going to be F1?? because their changing big things like the engines which will mean we will loose that fantastic unique V10 sound, and the way this aerodynamic development is going, im not too sure...
 
Those look awfully narrow on the RB1 mockup design. They looked narrow on the FIA sketch, but they look really narrow on that RB1 mockup. It looks like if they were combined, it would only amount to a 2/3 wide wing, if even that...
 
Well, I’d trust the FIA sketches more than the drawing of the Red Bull with the CDG wing. But I think the end-plates look awesome on the Red Bull drawing. 👍

Blake
 
Blake
Well, I’d trust the FIA sketches more than the drawing of the Red Bull with the CDG wing. But I think the end-plates look awesome on the Red Bull drawing. 👍

Blake
Yeah me too, and if it actually works, who knows, it could be the smartest thing in years (however I still think they should be going the route of current Champ Cars, with underbody venturis which aren't affected by other cars in front, and just ban all of the flip ups and what not, leaving only a front wing (at season 2000 height levels) and a two-element rear wing.
What ever happened to the prospect of newton limits on the wings to limit downforce? That would have caused the teams to look for ways to reduce drag, which would have reduced the wake caused behind a car as well, and wouldnt be as radical looking as this.

Oh well...
 
I dunno, placing limits on performance just isn’t F1… To me, it would be as bad as placing a limit on engine output.

Blake
 
Blake
I dunno, placing limits on performance just isn’t F1… To me, it would be as bad as placing a limit on engine output.

Blake
Yeah, I suppose you're right. I just don't see why they can't adopt flat bottom cars, with venturi tunnels (like Champ Car and GP2), go back to season 2000 height front wings, and 2004 season rear wings. I know that ever since 1998 with the narrower cars and grooved tires, overtaking has been an issue, but it was never as bad as it has been in 2005 when trying to follow a car. I can remember back as recent as 2000, the front wing was still nice and low to the ground, and out of the dirty air moreso than it is now at its elevated level. Surely drivers didn't have as much trouble in 2000 following other cars, or perhaps my memory is failing me, I don't know :crazy:
I really think there is an alternative to the radical split wing. I think the biggest problem is how current F1 cars generate their downforce, they rely too much on the front and rear wings, and all of those flip ups create extra dirty air.

Here's my idea on how to make it easier to follow another car:
1) Revert back to season 2000 front-wing height; nice and low, and out of the dirty air moreso than it is now.
2) Either keep 2005-spec rear wings, or season 2004 rear wings, depending on the desired effect.
3) Get rid of the plank, and run venturi tunnel bottoms like in Champ Car and GP2. They are not affected nearly as much by dirty air as the wings are, so have the cars produce more downforce underneath the car, rather than with the wings (and I'm not talking about going back to skirted ground effect cars). As a safety measure, the FIA could mandate titanium skidblocks at various places on the underbody, to prevent the car from completely sealing to the track, losing downforce. These don't have to be huge, just large enough, and spread out enough so that the car cannot bottom out.
4) Prohibit all of the flip ups and what not you see on the cars now, they are one of the culprits in creating so much dirty air nowadays. Remember back in 1999/2000 when you didn't really see any of that stuff? It wasn't that long ago...
5) Give the drivers back mechanical grip. 2,000 cm wheelbase cars (pre-1998), and wider slick tires.

I'm sure that these solutions would make for better racing than we have now, without having to revert to the radical split wing, but I'm not an aerodynamicist, so there's a high chance that I'm wrong :P
 
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