oppinion on 4WD drifting

[daltonlm]

For all haters of AWD I have one name... Ken Block.

Yes he maybe annoying, yes he may drive a fiesta but damn I have never seen such precision driving since Colin Mcrae. Yes he may suck at rally but on tarmac and in Gymkhana you have too say he is awesome and dayumm that's cool.

You mean THIS Ken Block?





Such precision... yeah right...
Compared to the true masters of WRC, hes just a scarried puppy. I mean, a superstar scarried puppy.

Dig on youtube and you will find more from our favorite stuntman.

Oh, and please do not mention McRae´s name again. Its sacriledge...

 

[SPANK]

The classic drifting and the drifting competitions should keep RWD only.
4WD cars are totally different to drift, it doesn't work when you want to drift tandem with another RWD car.
4WD cars are alot of fun to drift! No doubt, the insane angle at entries and the speed is fascinating. I'm talking about cars with a powerdistribution of 40/60 or 50/50 because the fact that some people do the 10/90 thing and claim it's the same like RWD is annoying. This is the only thing that's getting on my nerves. It's like a traction control for drifting!
4WD drifting isn't fail, it's fun but everybody who's drifting 4WD cars should respect that the real purustic drifting is done with RWD cars and they should swap their car or leave the lobby when theres no 4WD allowed.
Drifting real 4WD's (around 45/55) aren't that easy to handle, it's still a a challenge. But if you do it please stay away with the 10/90 stuff.

That's my opinion, accept it or not. I don't care.

I think you're going alittle over board honestly. I think it all depends on the person. Both prefer different things. You prefer RWD, thats awesome me too! But I do not mind being in a lobby with an AWD drive car if they know how to drift. Meaning not smaching through you in the corners or think in a race they have to get to the line first rather then keep it tight and get more points. If someone can do that with a AWD car and not try to destroy me. Then they are more then welcome to be in my lobbies.

Also nobody claims for their Subaru to be RWD because they do that. And most so it cause they happen to like the body stil of say the STI or the EVO more then a Silvia or a Camaro. But in the game you cant just swap drivetrains like you can in real life. So they have to do the "10/90" thing. Unlike most teams here i admire people who can control their car AWD or RWD or FWD. It shows skill and the love for the game. That to me is a driver!


Oh and as for the ken block crashing. Every rally driver does it Hints colin mccrae. Dont hate, you get out there and do 90 mph on a dirt, gravel, snow and see if you can do it. Not so easy huh?

 

[monsterGAUZ]

I think you're going alittle over board honestly. I think it all depends on the person. Both prefer different things. You prefer RWD, thats awesome me too! But I do not mind being in a lobby with an AWD drive car if they know how to drift. Meaning not smaching through you in the corners or think in a race they have to get to the line first rather then keep it tight and get more points. If someone can do that with a AWD car and not try to destroy me. Then they are more then welcome to be in my lobbies.

Also nobody claims for their Subaru to be RWD because they do that. And most so it cause they happen to like the body stil of say the STI or the EVO more then a Silvia or a Camaro. But in the game you cant just swap drivetrains like you can in real life. So they have to do the "10/90" thing. Unlike most teams here i admire people who can control their car AWD or RWD or FWD. It shows skill and the love for the game. That to me is a driver!

If the driver of the 4WD car is accepted in the lobby it's no problem that he drifts a 4wd car. he should take care for other drivers then it's ok. I also drift a Audi RS6 with a 40/60 setup. It's fun but i don't use it when i drift with friends because the speed, line etc. do not fit their drifting.
i prefer RWD because it IS the way of drifting around the whole world. No dirfter in the real life thinks about getting a 4WD car to drift it and use it in competitions.
In the real life 4WD drifting does exist as the motorsport gymkhana and as a rally technique.
GT5 is a game, the real life is different how to recognize the ratio of 4WD and RWD drifters in the game and the real life.

 

[SPANK]

If the driver of the 4WD car is accepted in the lobby it's no problem that he drifts a 4wd car. he should take care for other drivers then it's ok. I also drift a Audi RS6 with a 40/60 setup. It's fun but i don't use it when i drift with friends because the speed, line etc. do not fit their drifting.
i prefer RWD because it IS the way of drifting around the whole world. No dirfter in the real life thinks about getting a 4WD car to drift it and use it in competitions.
In the real life 4WD drifting does exist as the motorsport gymkhana and as a rally technique.
GT5 is a game, the real life is different how to recognize the ratio of 4WD and RWD drifters in the game and the real life.

I dont see why they wouldnt use a AWD car in REAL life drifting?

 

[daltonlm]

Oh and as for the ken block crashing. Every rally driver does it Hints colin mccrae. Dont hate, you get out there and do 90 mph on a dirt, gravel, snow and see if you can do it. Not so easy huh?

Of course, same as Pelé lost goals, Michael Jordan missed shots and so on... The point is that you and that another gentleman are trying to compare a showup playboy that is racing on Rally competitions since 2005 and never won none (2 points on entire carrer, wtf?), to one of the main legends of Worldwide Rally of all time with his 19 aparissions on WRC.

I even suspect that KB in these 6 years have more crashes than CM on entire carreer.

BTW i dont think that CM is the number one of all time. For me is Sebastien Loeb, hands down.

And about the endless discussion of AWD mimicing a drift, i just would like to see these folks opening a AWD only drift room and trying to tandem between each others... I would be there to laugh...
Or leave AWD for racing or rally, as it should be...

 

[Delphic Reason]

I dont see why they wouldnt use a AWD car in REAL life drifting?

The car you pictured is a RWD converted WRX.

In D1 and FD you have to use RWD. This keeps it a level playing field. As others have said, AWD drifting IS different, and therefore shouldn't be allowed in competition next to RWD's. They cannot be scored in the same manner due to the advantages/disadvantages with either drivetrain being so dissimilar.

That being said, there are AWD drifting events, and get-togethers all the time. They just don't drift along side RWD's.

Furthermore, let me say I am very happy (for the most part) how this thread has progressed. Beside a few "AWD's can't drift" posts, most of you seem to be open minded and considerate in your responses. 👍

Keep it up.

If this thread starts to go down the flame road, it will be closed immediately. So, keep that in mind.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Such precision... yeah right...
Compared to the true masters of WRC, hes just a scarried puppy. I mean, a superstar scarried puppy.

That accident happened due to a mistake in his pace notes. That could happen to anyone. Funny how non-Americans are quick to point out all his accidents and not the footage of him hauling 🤬 just like everyone else out there.

His time will come, just you watch.

 

[Meerly a cat]

I did mention he sucks at rally by the way. So no need for the huge explanation on rally driving. For what I've seen he is leading in skill but this is probably due to all the commercialism.

Colin Mcrae is a legend. I live in Scotland so what do you expect me to say.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Colin Mcrae is a legend. I live in Scotland so what do you expect me to say.

I'm not saying he isn't, he was my favorite rally driver as well. I'm just saying that Block doesn't get enough credit for what he's doing. He CAN drive a rally car. If he can get past the mechanical failures, he'll do fine.

 

[SPANK]

The car you pictured is a RWD converted WRX.

In D1 and FD you have to use RWD. This keeps it a level playing field. As others have said, AWD drifting IS different, and therefore shouldn't be allowed in competition next to RWD's. They cannot be scored in the same manner due to the advantages/disadvantages with either drivetrain being so dissimilar.

Okay point made! But You can not do that in GT5 people are only allowed to do 10/90. or most likely they would. Due to the fact that they like the body style more then the other more popular drift machines.

That accident happened due to a mistake in his pace notes. That could happen to anyone. Funny how non-Americans are quick to point out all his accidents and not the footage of him hauling 🤬 just like everyone else out there.

His time will come, just you watch.

👍

I did mention he sucks at rally by the way. So no need for the huge explanation on rally driving. For what I've seen he is leading in skill but this is probably due to all the commercialism.

Colin Mcrae is a legend. I live in Scotland so what do you expect me to say.

The only reason he makes these gymkhana videos is to advertise his brand (DC)

 

[daltonlm]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/114081-a-history-of-the-top-10-all-time-wrc-drivers
Cool info here about true rally pilots.

I wont wait until Ken Block learn how to drive a rally car in tight and sinuous tracks, or at least find a better and less annoying navigator.

Some of you says that hes not getting enough respect for his colaboration on the worldwide motorsport... i think quite the opposite. Hes overrated and much worst than many pilots around the world with so much less marketing around him.

Want another name that is more a marketing boy than top notch driver?
Matt Powers

 

[Meerly a cat]

I agree that's why I said its probably all commercial.

I miss the old days of rally. I want to find an old quattro to rally on this.

 

[Delphic Reason]

Okay point made! But You can not do that in GT5 people are only allowed to do 10/90. or most likely they would. Due to the fact that they like the body style more then the other more popular drift machines.

What's your point?

I personally never use a 10/90 for AWD's, but if someone else wants to, more power to 'em. 👍

 

[SPANK]

Anyways back to the topic of AWD drifting in "GT5." I dont mind it.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I wont wait until Ken Block learn how to drive a rally car in tight and sinuous tracks, or at least find a better and less annoying navigator.

Some of you says that hes not getting enough respect for his colaboration on the worldwide motorsport... i think quite the opposite. Hes overrated and much worst than many pilots around the world with so much less marketing around him.

Want another name that is more a marketing boy than top notch driver?
Matt Powers

Don't have any clue who Matt Powers is.

Care to explain how his navigator is annoying?

And Ken is not over rated, he's just well known. He does something that most people don't do, and that is get his name out there. Honestly, until anyone bad mouthing him can prove that THEY are a better driver than HIM, you're all just blowing smoke and have no room to talk.

 

[SPANK]

And Ken is not over rated, he's just well known. He does something that most people don't do, and that is get his name out there. Honestly, until anyone bad mouthing him can prove that THEY are a better driver than HIM, you're all just blowing smoke and have no room to talk.

Exactly! 👍

 

[Meerly a cat]

Anyone on FD is overated. End of.

I might try this AWD. I want to run an R33. Any good?

 

[i_is_best]

4wd can be fun i guess. I was really into rb26's when i had gt4 so did alot of 4wd drifting with GTR's..

4WD uses a totally different line, speed and angle when compared to RWD even at 10/90 which is why i prefer to stay away from tandems or battles with people using 4WD only when im using an FR.

 

[SFX_Pwner]

Anyone on FD is overated. End of.

I might try this AWD. I want to run an R33. Any good?

Try out the GT-R SpecV. It is a BEAST!

 

[SPANK]

Anyone on FD is overated. End of.

Im not sure i get the point of this in this thread? Not sure what it has a meaning of?

4wd can be fun i guess. I was really into rb26's when i had gt4 so did alot of 4wd drifting with GTR's..

4WD uses a totally different line, speed and angle when compared to RWD even at 10/90 which is why i prefer to stay away from tandems or battles with people using 4WD only when im using an FR.

Thank you for being on topic 👍

 

[Meerly a cat]

It was a post to the guy on top. It is funny however you've been talking about Ken the whole thread as well. Thanks mr moderator. 👍

On topic. Cheers Pwner I'll be sure to try it.

 

[daltonlm]

Don't have any clue who Matt Powers is.

Google is your friend.

Care to explain how his navigator is annoying?

Ok, lets recap:

1 - I admit that sometimes he gives wrong directions, thats is more than annoying by itself.
2 - His voice is annoying.
3 - He looks like Super Mario, and that´s annoying.
4 - He gets frustraded with KB at every crash, and the oposite too. And thats double annoying.

And Ken is not over rated, he's just well known. He does something that most people don't do, and that is get his name out there. Honestly, until anyone bad mouthing him can prove that THEY are a better driver than HIM, you're all just blowing smoke and have no room to talk.

Oh, wait... im trying to defend the idea that AWD place is in Rally, and that KB is not good at rally as hes good at Gymkhana (what a stupid name with stupid purposes)... in a AWD Drift Discussion Thread? Whats wrong with this picture?

And don´t curse me because i dislike Gymkhana also. Its not the fact that pushes people to think that its a "diferent kind of drifting competition" (since there is no competition of GKN, by the way). I even could like of GKN if there was more than just one car doing that.

Maybe thats why they created a GKN pratice, to credit any use of cars that can slide but can not tandem.

 

[SPANK]

It was a post to the guy on top. It is funny however you've been talking about Ken the whole thread as well. Thanks mr moderator. 👍

On topic. Cheers Pwner I'll be sure to try it.

Okay. But i think unless you can get out there and do better then the criticizing needs to come to an end. I use to yell at drifters at local events for not being able to drift a corner right. then i bought a s14. Tried it myself and discovered its not as easy as it looks. I stopped criticizing that day! So please share a video of you doing it as good if not better then mr ken block or matt powers or anyone from Formula D for that matter and i will shut up. And i have not been talking about Ken block this entire thread i defended him once then just agreed with people by using a 👍 And for me trying to get everyone back on topic is because we have highjacked someone elses thread and now are in jeopardy of getting it shut down on the guy. he dont deserve that. But a for this i am done!

I have stated my opinion on AWD drifting in GT5. Now i am not going to be banned or get this thread locked cause of childish arguments. Have a good day! 👍

 

[daltonlm]

Anyone on FD is overated. End of.

Nah, Rhys Millen deserve your respect. This guy have balls.
Hes in the D1GP now, but while in Formula Drift, his handcap was too much high for the competition.

 

[Meerly a cat]

Wow...

Last off topic post for me just because I'm bored of this.

I don't even have a car yet and I'm not denying the fact I can't do this. Just the fact I hate all this fake. plastic, commercial modern rubbish. I prefer the roots.

 

[SPANK]

I don't even have a car yet .

Then keep it shut.

 

[Delphic Reason]

Then keep it shut.

The best way to get a topic back on track is to ignore such posts, and continue to post about the topic. Your post only serves to continue the argument.

Just drop it, and let the thread get back on topic.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Google is your friend.

I'll pass, thanks.

Ok, lets recap:

1 - I admit that sometimes he gives wrong directions, thats is more than annoying by itself. I didn't say he gave wrong directions, the rock they hit was not in the pace notes at all.
2 - His voice is annoying. He's from a different country and has an accent. I'm sure your accent sounds funny too.
3 - He looks like Super Mario, and that´s annoying. Personal opinion.
4 - He gets frustraded with KB at every crash, and the oposite too. And thats double annoying. Who wouldn't get frustrated when their driver crashes? I probably would, but then I'd get over it. Rally is the toughest motorsport in the world, even small mistakes could be costly.

And don´t curse me because i dislike Gymkhana also. Its not the fact that pushes people to think that its a "diferent kind of drifting competition" (since there is no competition of GKN, by the way). I even could like of GKN if there was more than just one car doing that.

Other than the fact that the Gymkhana that is spreading in the USA right now is technically not Gymkhana, I honestly don't care what you think about it. So why bring it up?

We'll can settle on the fact that you don't like Ken Block, just like I don't like you. So we'll call it even. 👍

 

[SPANK]

I think i may buy me a Evo 6 or something and see if i am even able to drift it. Or if ill be to use to drifting the RWD

 

[daltonlm]

Okay. But i think unless you can get out there and do better then the criticizing needs to come to an end. I use to yell at drifters at local events for not being able to drift a corner right. then i bought a s14. Tried it myself and discovered its not as easy as it looks. I stopped criticizing that day! So please share a video of you doing it as good if not better then mr ken block or matt powers or anyone from Formula D for that matter and i will shut up. And i have not been talking about Ken block this entire thread i defended him once then just agreed with people by using a 👍 And for me trying to get everyone back on topic is because we have highjacked someone elses thread and now are in jeopardy of getting it shut down on the guy. he dont deserve that. But a for this i am done!

I have stated my opinion on AWD drifting in GT5. Now i am not going to be banned or get this thread locked cause of childish arguments. Have a good day! 👍

Start all over and read when and how the first time that the name "Ken Block" was mentined in this thread.

And you´re right, im not any good drifter IRL. Hopefully we are talking about videogames, where i fit myself. The criticism and the comparassions is between real life pilots.

Incitations and redflags about my behavior is the last remedy when you don´t want talk about some subject, but just remember that the discussion about KB wasn´t started by you and you don´t need to get into if you don´t want to.

This is my last post. And yes, im a AWD hater. Also i don´t even know why you all start these kind of threads that was exaustly discussed and locked several times.
Now excuse me, i need to go and create a thread defending the FF drifting rite now...