Parkland FL HS shooting, shooter arrested, 17 dead

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An active shooter incident started at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland FL shortly after 2:30 PM today. As of right now, the shooter has been detained by authorities and the school is being evacuated. There is one confirmed fatality, possibly more, and over 20 injuries inflicted.

The shooter was a student at the school who was attending classes normally earlier in the day according to news, and the gunfire started shortly after a fire drill started.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/b...school-broward-county/XId6iybntZy7WFBfjPYJTK/

EDIT 2/14/18 6:34 PM: 17 fatalities reported.
 
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Trump tweet: "Just spoke to Governor Rick Scott. We are working closely with law enforcement on the terrible Florida school shooting."

Who is "we?" What are "we" doing?
 
Weird about the fire drill bit. He couldn't have predicted/planned around that right? Was it a planned fire drill or maybe he set it off in the first place?
 
Sad this happened and all, but it needs to be said. Once again, another gun-free zone... I thought criminals would know this by now?

Also he apparently wasn't allowed to have a backpack on him at school.
 
TetsuKobura
Sad this happened and all, but it needs to be said. Once again, another gun-free zone... I thought criminals would know this by now?

Also he apparently wasn't allowed to have a backpack on him at school.
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Let's not get into the gun control politics until I, or someone else, get all of the details.
 
I'll tell you what would work, how about flagging these people for mental health evaluations and locking them up in institutions when they are determined to be mentally ill and unsafe to be amongst society? Some of the statements coming from students..."everyone knew it would be him". Kicked off campus for making threats against students, then there are the comments on his social media. There is a pattern here, a pattern that a lot of people, including the school and law enforcement knew about. Making threats is criminal, you can be sent to jail for it. So why wasn't he? The school claims he made threats against students, so why wasn't he charged? Why wasn't it investigated. Seems like a case of every one knowing and no one doing anything about it. Perhaps, just perhaps if we were proactive instead of reactive then we wouldn't hear about "Thoughts and Prayers". This just seems like a massive fail letting a guy like this slip through the safety net.
 
So was he a student of the school? Because that doesn't make a ton of sense considering he's either 19 or 20 (depending on news sources).

I also don't know the laws in Florida, but in Michigan, once you turned 19 you could no longer go to school with the general student body. We had a separate building a couple miles from the high school where those kids went.

Given the description of the shooter though, he sounded like a real creeper.
 
Joey D
So was he a student of the school? Because that doesn't make a ton of sense considering he's either 19 or 20 (depending on news sources).

I also don't know the laws in Florida, but in Michigan, once you turned 19 you could no longer go to school with the general student body. We had a separate building a couple miles from the high school where those kids went.

Given the description of the shooter though, he sounded like a real creeper.
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He was an ex-student. He had previously been kicked off campus last year for making threats against students.
 
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I'll tell you what would work, how about flagging these people for mental health evaluations and locking them up in institutions when they are determined to be mentally ill and unsafe to be amongst society? Some of the statements coming from students..."everyone knew it would be him". Kicked off campus for making threats against students, then there are the comments on his social media. There is a pattern here, a pattern that a lot of people, including the school and law enforcement knew about. Making threats is criminal, you can be sent to jail for it. So why wasn't he? The school claims he made threats against students, so why wasn't he charged? Why wasn't it investigated. Seems like a case of every one knowing and no one doing anything about it. Perhaps, just perhaps if we were proactive instead of reactive then we wouldn't hear about "Thoughts and Prayers". This just seems like a massive fail letting a guy like this slip through the safety net.
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Seems to happen more often than it should in this country regarding crime in general; repeat offenders who finally push over the line with the general public wondering why did the person get such light, previous sentences?
 
McLaren
Seems to happen more often than it should in this country regarding crime in general; repeat offenders who finally push over the line with the general public wondering why did the person get such light, previous sentences?
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One of the reasons is because there is such a strong push in the legal system that lawyers will try and get people off on lighter sentences.
 
Naturally we'll have to wait for the details to come out which will take weeks or months. But what we know right now is that:

He made threats to students on campus and was kicked off last year
He was not allowed on campus after being expelled for making threats
He was on the school's Radar for his actions
A letter was sent to the faculty informing them of his actions/threats and that he wasn't allowed on campus (with a backpack?)- need more info.

I thought I read that his threats were made known to Law enforcement, but now this claim seems murky because no one else seem to be confirming it. You know dozens of lawsuits against the school are coming over this and when the dust settles and the dead are buried, the question will be, did they do enough to prevent it? Did they notify law enforcement? And if they did, was it properly investigated? What steps were taken following his expulsion for the threats? he went to an alternative school after his expulsion, did he have any behavioral problems there? Were there any other red flags?
 
I went to that school...Class of '92.

Needless to say, I'm kind of upset. Sorry for some hurt feelings.

You really just think it's going to be some other distant place that gets the next shooting, some other semi-anonymous plat of perfectly-zoned land, where they smell funny, have an accent a little more unusual that yours, where they do dull things, the cliques are the essentially the same, and it gets invaded by the some outcast gutter trash with weird hobbies.

TetsuKobura
Once again, another gun-free zone... I thought criminals would know this by now?
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More adolescents with raging hormones and the ability to put high-speed, irreparable holes in will always make the situation better, right?

Also he apparently wasn't allowed to have a backpack on him at school.
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He didn't belong there. Stop conflating the issue.

It's a school with an open-air design which had multiple ways to get in and out. They've probably walled up with some crappy chain-link fence over the years, added a few more spots of some security, but it's very likely security were away from the controls during the end of the day. A 19-year-old is going to blend in with everyone else in the age range.

What do we want? We want it make it harder for troublemakers who are borderline (if not truly) psychotic to get access to guns. That might mean that you can't make it too easy for others to have them. I'm really sorry that you have to wait 7 days to get a gun - by sorry, I mean Tough **** - how much lead time do you need to kill someone?

That's the price you pay for owning a portable killing machine. Stop whining about the difficulties in something so incredibly powerful and pick up the slack of responsibility to make some changes. Otherwise, you're not anywhere as near as tough without your god-dammed weapon.

For now, stay tuned...new location, same plot, same ending if we do nothing about it.
 
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Little soon to be talking about gun control until we’ve been told how he got it, unless that’s been released.

We’ve had a shooter go the legal route and we’ve had a shooter kill his own mother for her guns.
 
The shooter is currently being processed into custody. He was treated at a hospital immediately after his arrest. It is unknown what injuries he sustained.

@Pupik Before he is given a fair trial and sentence (execution), every effort should be made to extract from this person any and every information that would assist in preventing such heinous acts in the future.

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The shooter employed the sadistic tactic of wearing a gas mask, setting off (smoke bombs?) the fire alarms, and flushing the children into the hallways.
I think the total enrollment of this school is >2000?
 
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I'm more afraid of my kid eating a bad fish taco from the school cafeteria.

It would help if these schools were strictly a place of voluntary education programs instead of forced social petri dishes. Just my opinion though.
 
Dotini
@Pupik Before he is given a fair trial and sentence (execution), every effort should be made to extract from this person any and every information that would assist in preventing such heinous acts of in the future.
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The music he listened to, apps he used, and the video games he played will be very importantly played out in fine detail before he goes to trial.

The idyllic master planning of Parkland and Coral Springs (or FLORIDUH because he's FLORIDA MAN) and northern political climate will surely be to blame, for there's not enough farming to be accomplished in the reclaimed swamp lands, which rose out of the sea when Man first scribbled insides the caves of Lascaux.

His failure to put into life what he wanted out of it and taking the easy way out of his problems is a well-worn tale. Perhaps there's something to it?

The ensuing media circus and inane comments to follow make me want to vomit.

LennyB
I'm more afraid of my kid eating a bad fish taco from the school cafeteria.
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Okay, we won't let him fly the plane if he has the fish.

It would help if these schools were strictly a place of voluntary education programs instead of forced social petri dishes. Just my opinion though.
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You can get the same thing at church, workplaces, hobbies, and the internet. Nice try.
 
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I know the family of one of the missing girls. I hope she's alive somewhere.

I hated high school because I felt like livestock in a pen. Sometimes I was hormonal and angsty-- ftw-ish at times but never serious about it. Once I got out I felt like my life truly started, and that all that time I was stifled into self-exploration rather than growth.

I cannot imagine the type of person that would be 19 years old, be OUT of there, and then actually go back to step foot on campus. The happiest day of my life at the time was finally picking up my diploma so I could be gone. How do you even THINK of going back? Let alone to shoot people! GOD! What is going on here!
 

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