Parkland FL HS shooting, shooter arrested, 17 dead

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I know the family of one of the missing girls. I hope she's alive somewhere.

I hated high school because I felt like livestock in a pen. Sometimes I was hormonal and angsty-- ftw-ish at times but never serious about it. Once I got out I felt like my life truly started, and that all that time I was stifled into self-exploration rather than growth.

I cannot imagine the type of person that would be 19 years old, be OUT of there, and then actually go back to step foot on campus. The happiest day of my life at the time was finally picking up my diploma so I could be gone. How do you even THINK of going back? Let alone to shoot people! GOD! What is going on here!
He was expelled supposedly.
 
You can get the same thing at church, workplaces, hobbies, and the internet. Nice try.

Nice try? I was simply pointing out choice vs. force. No one forces me to go to church or work or have a hobby or brows the web.
 
Nice try? I was simply pointing out choice vs. force. No one forces me to go to church or work or have a hobby or brows the web.

For the most part, you learn to rise above it. Everyone who's not home-schooled deals with it...everyone in the big box (and portable little boxes) is insecure and deals with it in different ways. Maybe when one has poor grades, poor behavior, no friends, terrible parenting, bad diet/health, coupled with the false attitude that you're doomed forever to your situation, then it gets a bit dicey and harder to figure out what your future holds.

I didn't like a lot of the rules, regulations, social norms/graces required. Not everyone liked me, but you realize not everyone likes everyone else. And you find you little group and you realize the teachers are the stuck ones (helps to know that when your mother's a teacher) that's what's fun about it. You respect their lives and opinions, your friends, acquaintances, and even the strangers. Some of those fellow seniors were the same ones that fell off the monkey bars in 3rd grade, puked on the bus in 5th grade, or loaned you a book in middle school that saved your ass from an F, so knew the kids who knew another classmate, and so forth. So even in a student body of 2500, you knew quite a lot of the names and faces, their backgrounds, where they lived, and what car they drove (or what vehicles they could draw on the back of a folder) so you respected a bunch of them all, even some of the douchebags. I knew some cool kids and some of society's parasites, and you just had to be yourself and let them be themselves.

I really hated waking up at 5:30am, but that's like sleeping in nowadays.

My wife pointed out a instructor list, and there's still some teachers that were there when we were strutting around or just wearing questionable 1990s fashions.

I just don't want to know how bad it is anymore.

Enough of my ramblings.
 
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Some Trump supporters are pathetic they believe he was a Muslim. They are also blaming liberals.
 
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Irony is the shooter posed with a cap that says make america great again. I wonder what trump supporters will say for that? Do we blame trump supporters for this shooting of course not.

These fools seem to forget that instagram post was to mock Muslims. Sand people and durka these are racial slurs. So much for common sense.
 
So? Blaming entire countries for the act of an individual accomplishes nothing and only serves to cause more hatred.

It’s like blaming all Muslims for the acts of a few nutters.

School shooting are becoming one of America's favourite hobbies. There are so many things and people to blame for these situations that it's easier to just put the blame on one entity.
 
School shooting are becoming one of America's favourite hobbies. There are so many things and people to blame for these situations that it's easier to just put the blame on one entity.

So you decide to just contribute to the problem instead of trying to help?

Glad to see your true colors shine through.
 
Apologies if this comes across as insensitive based on the timing but I'm genuinely curious about something as a fairly clueless Brit; what happens to the kids who have been badly injured if they and/or their family don't have health insurance? Will the family be charged for having the wounds treated?

Note: I'm not arguing whether universal healthcare is right or wrong for a country I have a limited experience of, I would just like to know and don't want to be searching for things relating to school shootings at work!
 
Apologies if this comes across as insensitive based on the timing but I'm genuinely curious about something as a fairly clueless Brit; what happens to the kids who have been badly injured if they and/or their family don't have health insurance? Will the family be charged for having the wounds treated?

Note: I'm not arguing whether universal healthcare is right or wrong for a country I have a limited experience of, I would just like to know and don't want to be searching for things relating to school shootings at work!

Look up what happened to the victims of the Las Vegas shooting. It's hilariously saddening.
 
Apologies if this comes across as insensitive based on the timing but I'm genuinely curious about something as a fairly clueless Brit; what happens to the kids who have been badly injured if they and/or their family don't have health insurance? Will the family be charged for having the wounds treated?

Note: I'm not arguing whether universal healthcare is right or wrong for a country I have a limited experience of, I would just like to know and don't want to be searching for things relating to school shootings at work!

Hospitals in the US cannot refuse emergency services. Emergency patients are placed triage...basically worst-off is first-off. Most children are covered by their parents' insurance, but even in the US, there's going to those who will have to apply for coverage through Medicaid/Medicare (I forget which is which). Still, few hospitals can deal with numerous serious or near-fatal injuries all at once...the unthinkable can occur in that timeframe.

To sum up, this is a generally affluent wedge of the country, so people will raise money to help with hospital bills and other assistance. (Sadly, there's also always a scam just around the corner in that neck of the woods.) Its physical location makes a stitch more isolated - though a little less so in the past decade or so - but still inside a major population center. It's not the stereotypical "tight-knit community", as it's an area of about 140,000 people, but folks will come together and help out.

Not sure how after-effects are handled, but I'd imagine it's going to be tough for a good bit of that student body. For a senior, you're going to get out in a few months. I can't imagine how shocking it has to be for an undergrad, going back to school day after day. I suppose many will just move on; it becomes your "new normal".
 
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Apologies if this comes across as insensitive based on the timing but I'm genuinely curious about something as a fairly clueless Brit; what happens to the kids who have been badly injured if they and/or their family don't have health insurance? Will the family be charged for having the wounds treated?

Note: I'm not arguing whether universal healthcare is right or wrong for a country I have a limited experience of, I would just like to know and don't want to be searching for things relating to school shootings at work!
Yes, they'll be charged. As Pupik says they may get help from charities and the like but at the end of the day they'll be responsible for paying the 4-5 figure medical bills. Healthcare in the US is a business, and so injuries are an opportunity to make a profit.
 
Start with mandatory mental health checks.
It's better to fix the current systems put in place to actually function as intended, since certain shootings happened due to their incompetence and failure to report certain things. The perfect example of this was Sutherland Springs where the guy had a domestic violence charge, which should've banned him from getting guns completely.
 
It's better to fix the current systems put in place to actually function as intended, since certain shootings happened due to their incompetence and failure to report certain things. The perfect example of this was Sutherland Springs where the guy had a domestic violence charge, which should've banned him from getting guns completely.

That would be another good start. But again, not gonna happen because muh guns.
 
That would be another good start. But again, not gonna happen because muh guns.
You realize that argument isn't very sound, right? "Muh guns" is one of the worst talking points for something like this. If you really want to use that argument though, then please give me a list of every single mass shooting that was caused by an NRA member, because, like I've told someone in another discord server, that way of thinking is directly parallel to those that blame the NRA for literally every mass shooting.
 
You realize that argument isn't very sound, right? "Muh guns" is one of the worst talking points for something like this. If you really want to use that argument though, then please give me a list of every single mass shooting that was caused by an NRA member, because, like I've told someone in another discord server, that way of thinking is directly parallel to those that blame the NRA for literally every mass shooting.

Just look how people respond to possible changes to gun laws.
 
Just look how people respond to possible changes to gun laws.
Because outright banning certain guns doesn't do anything but give criminals more leeway through black market means. Y'all are getting mad over the wrong weapons, since knives, hammer-like objects, or hands cause more deaths per year than rifles do.
Source: FBI Crime Statistics of 2016
 
Because outright banning certain guns doesn't do anything but give criminals more leeway through black market means. Y'all are getting mad over the wrong weapons, since knives, hammer-like objects, or hands cause more deaths per year than rifles do.
Source: FBI Crime Statistics of 2016

I'm all for private gun ownership. But come on. The USA really needs to enforce better health and safety regulations.

And to add, we Dutchies have access to pretty much every weapon the US has. We just have a lot more regulations in place.
 
So why does it work for every other western country?
Where's your source?


I'm all for private gun ownership. But come on. The USA really needs to enforce better health and safety regulations.
You can't keep adding regulations if they aren't effective to begin with. You have to overhaul the current ones that do literally nothing.
 
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