Patch 1.03 is almost here:

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Improved AI is good news, but what about the freezing problems on the PS3?
No word if that is going to be addressed, in this or in a forthcoming patch?
 
No word on anything. I wrote PMs to both Ian Bell and Griff about it on nogrip without any answer and have asked about console patches, as have several others - still no word for us joypad suckers. :indiff:

And sorry if that was misunderstandable: There will be no harder AI setting in the new patch! EA didnt want that in, so SMS had to take it out the patch.
 
FLX1981
No word on anything. I wrote PMs to both Ian Bell and Griff about it on nogrip without any answer and have asked about console patches, as have several others - still no word for us joypad suckers. :indiff:

And sorry if that was misunderstandable: There will be no harder AI setting in the new patch! EA didnt want that in, so SMS had to take it out the patch.
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Ah, man what else can they do wrong...?:indiff:
 
FLX1981
No word on anything. I wrote PMs to both Ian Bell and Griff about it on nogrip without any answer and have asked about console patches, as have several others - still no word for us joypad suckers. :indiff:

And sorry if that was misunderstandable: There will be no harder AI setting in the new patch! EA didnt want that in, so SMS had to take it out the patch.
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They definitely hate us...
 
FLX1981
No word on anything. I wrote PMs to both Ian Bell and Griff about it on nogrip without any answer and have asked about console patches, as have several others - still no word for us joypad suckers. :indiff:

And sorry if that was misunderstandable: There will be no harder AI setting in the new patch! EA didnt want that in, so SMS had to take it out the patch.
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Noooooo!! :banghead:

Why the 🤬 would they take that out?! God, that makes no sense...
 
HKS racer
They definitely hate us...
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Yeah, EA is getting more greedy & evil everyday that passes. They shutdown servers way to early & then the online pass, the putting dlc on the discs that you must pay for to unlock etc.

And don't get me started on the hurling 1 new fifa, nhl, shift and so on out the door each year.

I'm starting to really dislike EA, too bad they also publish the Dragon Age games that I love.. :(
 
tribolik
Because that would involve a lot more testing and cost more money and maybe trigger more bugs....
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I hope so. I would assume they did all of that already since the new AI was already in the patch and SMS was told to remove it.
 
I'm really pissed at EA attitude. I can't think of a single reason on why harder AI was refused.

If there's any justice, they (EA) will fall... HARD.
 
The SMS chief PC dev explained that testing of the harder AI would have been too extensive labor for EAs resources, both in time and money.
 
I just hope that they fix the ffb issues dropping out online etc it's pretty rediculous the first patch fixed it and the second patch broke it again.
 
FLX1981
The SMS chief PC dev explained that testing of the harder AI would have been too extensive labor for EAs resources, both in time and money.
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They are (sadly for us) the biggest pubblisher in the world with bilions dollars earned every year and adding some AI tweaking is too expensive? :lol: This-mean-trolling congratulations!
 
I find it interesting that a lot of folks are ready to put so much blame on EA and not enough on SMS. Don't get me wrong - I think there is plenty of blame for both outfits but sometimes I feel like SMS is somehow getting off the hook by blaming everything on EA.

This latest patch snafu was caused by SMS including a lot of changes that they had not agreed with EA. When EA received the patch for testing they became aware of the depth of changes involved and realized they did not have the QA resources available/scheduled to properly pass the patch in a timely manner. They also did not want the patch testing to unnecessarily delay the DLC so they had to ask SMS to back out the unapproved changes.

Now I understand that many folks would read that last paragraph and think - Hah! EA doesn't care about the customer and should have pulled together the resources necessary to complete the unanticipated testing on schedule. That is the consumer perspective and an understandable one. However, in my past I spent many many years working on everything from QA through engineering to management on a much larger project than this one and I can assure you that predictable and well planned QA is key to releasing a quality product. I can also assure you that if an engineering team suddenly dropped a bucket of unapproved changes, they would get their ears chewed off and the changes would not be accepted until such time as resources could be properly scheduled to complete whatever testing was necessary.

In my view there is clearly a serious lack of communication between EA and SMS on what fixes are/should be in progress. Both sides are reponsible for this communication loop and clearly they both failed.

Anyway - I'm no EA fan, especially after my S2U experience, but I will be a lot more cautious about every again buying anything from SMS than I will from EA. SMS wrote the code that is causing so much trouble. At the end of the day they are responsible for the bugs. I will be very interested to see if the new patch fixes the input lag and freezing. If it does not, then clearly SMS decided it was more important to put time into increasing A.I. difficulty than fixing the biggest console bugs. That will speak volumes to SMS's priorities. I sincerely hope they put the lag and freezing ahead of their unapproved work.....
 
pgagoober
I find it interesting that a lot of folks are ready to put so much blame on EA and not enough on SMS. Don't get me wrong - I think there is plenty of blame for both outfits but sometimes I feel like SMS is somehow getting off the hook by blaming everything on EA.

This latest patch snafu was caused by SMS including a lot of changes that they had not agreed with EA. When EA received the patch for testing they became aware of the depth of changes involved and realized they did not have the QA resources available/scheduled to properly pass the patch in a timely manner. They also did not want the patch testing to unnecessarily delay the DLC so they had to ask SMS to back out the unapproved changes.

Now I understand that many folks would read that last paragraph and think - Hah! EA doesn't care about the customer and should have pulled together the resources necessary to complete the unanticipated testing on schedule. That is the consumer perspective and an understandable one. However, in my past I spent many many years working on everything from QA through engineering to management on a much larger project than this one and I can assure you that predictable and well planned QA is key to releasing a quality product. I can also assure you that if an engineering team suddenly dropped a bucket of unapproved changes, they would get their ears chewed off and the changes would not be accepted until such time as resources could be properly scheduled to complete whatever testing was necessary.

In my view there is clearly a serious lack of communication between EA and SMS on what fixes are/should be in progress. Both sides are reponsible for this communication loop and clearly they both failed.

Anyway - I'm no EA fan, especially after my S2U experience, but I will be a lot more cautious about every again buying anything from SMS than I will from EA. SMS wrote the code that is causing so much trouble. At the end of the day they are responsible for the bugs. I will be very interested to see if the new patch fixes the input lag and freezing. If it does not, then clearly SMS decided it was more important to put time into increasing A.I. difficulty than fixing the biggest console bugs. That will speak volumes to SMS's priorities. I sincerely hope they put the lag and freezing ahead of their unapproved work.....
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I totally agree with you here. EA might not have the best track record for being nice or customer support, but they are obviously successful and doing something right.

My thoughts on SMS are that they are the old school PC guys who only really care about the PC market but "have" to appease the console folks because thats were the money is these days. Sadly I dont have the time to keep building and updated my crazy gaming PC much these days and spend more time in the living room with a controller in one hand and a kid in another. I would like the same support and concern from a developer that they show to PC's.

So all in all I actually put more blame on SMS and their narrow view than EA, who like pgagoober, just produce the game, dont write the code.
 
LOL people is so "smart" that keep defending EA even when they are clearly getting screwed. It's always EA's responsability if the product THEY PUBLISHED result to be broken don't forget it and it isn't customer fault If SMS is not doing a good job on consoles, EA should stop acting like a mafia company.
 
@ pgagoober : That was a well written and argued posting. Much appreciated 👍

I might add that this is my position too; the messy aspects of the S2U venture is down to both of SMS and EA. Neither are blameless.

DJ
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HKS racer
LOL people is so "smart" that keep defending EA even when they are clearly getting screwed. It's always EA's responsability if the product THEY PUBLISHED result to be broken don't forget it and it isn't customer fault If SMS is not doing a good job on consoles, EA should stop acting like a mafia company.
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I dont think anyone is defending EA, but people like every trend is to blame big, bad, EA when the developer is also spending more time and effort with the smallest demo of its customers.
 
Vaxxtx
I dont think anyone is defending EA, but people like every trend is to blame big, bad, EA when the developer is also spending more time and effort with the smallest demo of its customers.
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I'll make things simple, if I pay some workers to restructure an hause, I sell the hause and after a while it falls down... it's my fault, something called "responsability" you know, this is how things works in real life. I blame EA because they are trying to escape from their responsabilities, not fixing their product. They can sack SMS they can do what they want, but they have to garantee a working product to the final consumer, or give his money back. This is what a lawyer will tell you if you ask him. People who buy videogames usually ignore that and EA know it. If someone bring them to the court of course they'll give his money back, but they also know there are milions people out there who don't have a clue about that, and that's their market. They know they can sell broken stuff because you'll buy that, and keep it.
 
If QA was properly done, the problems we all know wouldn't be here in first place.

If EA had someone reading forums complaints, by now they should've understand what changes are a priority...
 
HKS racer
I'll make things simple, if I pay some workers to restructure an hause, I sell the hause and after a while it falls down... it's my fault, something called "responsability" you know, this is how things works in real life. I blame EA because they are trying to escape from their responsabilities, not fixing their product. They can sack SMS they can do what they want, but they have to garantee a working product to the final consumer, or give his money back. This is what a lawyer will tell you if you ask him. People who buy videogames usually ignore that and EA know it. If someone bring them to the court of course they'll give his money back, but they also know there are milions people out there who don't have a clue about that, and that's their market. They know they can sell broken stuff because you'll buy that, and keep it.
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Not really... its not that simple at least in construction... Im an architect and ultimatly its the Architects fault... not the guy that pays to build the house. And its also my fault if I dont deliver the project in time as agreed. The guy pays and if the technician does the job wrong he also has to go to jail or pay again? that makes no sence... I think you have to sort your responsability concept...

In this particular case what they have to do is fix the product or tell the guys that build it to fix it but without extra features... because thats not their responsability (to test extra features)
 
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Spagetti69
How almost here is the actual patch?
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Well as far as we know the PC is getting a patch and free DLC as of right now.

We also know SMS and EA have not said a word about a patch for consoles. So...I dont think anyone is sure about anything for the PS3.
 
HKS racer
I'll make things simple, if I pay some workers to restructure an hause, I sell the hause and after a while it falls down... it's my fault, something called "responsability" you know, this is how things works in real life. I blame EA because they are trying to escape from their responsabilities, not fixing their product. They can sack SMS they can do what they want, but they have to garantee a working product to the final consumer, or give his money back. This is what a lawyer will tell you if you ask him. People who buy videogames usually ignore that and EA know it. If someone bring them to the court of course they'll give his money back, but they also know there are milions people out there who don't have a clue about that, and that's their market. They know they can sell broken stuff because you'll buy that, and keep it.
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Its also called pride. You cant tell me SMS doesnt know about these issues on the PS3. They sure found a way to comminucate, and discuss things with PC people, but not one damn peep from them on the console side. IF SMS said we fixed everything and EA wont let us continue, ok...I can see that. But that isnt the case.

I feel they could care less about the consoles, and are only concered with the PC version. We are basically a burden they had to address in order to get EA to publish. Like...you have to talk to a table full of big, ugly girls, in order to get to the cute girl that you are really wanting to talk to. Once you get her number, the big ugo's are not even a concern anymore.

So, EA isnt innocent, but SMS sure isnt as well.
 
I m now completely frustrated and confused. Griff says patch 3 is coming for consoles and same as patch 2 for PC, Ian Bell says patch 2 was it... Sigh.

And even for PC users they dont even say what exactly was part of the patch, except for better collision interpolation.
 
tribolik
Looks like the DLC was a poisoned present... here take the DLC and maybe one patch and see u later alligator....
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Isn't there a third pack left to release though.

Really all they need to do for xbox is fix the Force feedback they messed up with patch2. Sigh.
 

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