PD should just ditch GT league and make more mission races.

[Voodoovaj]

I said it before, and I will always maintain (unless it happens), the entire gt league should be available in Sport Mode as well.

Daily 30 minute Porsche Cup Races? Yes please!

LeMans has to be coming given all the LeMans scapes (at least, I hope) and maybe some multiplayer endurance racing!

 

[Amaru]

I have three PSN accounts at S/S/ A/S and C/C ( my main account which is used for lobby's) im not exactly slow by any means

Totally irrelevant in GT League and imho totally meaningless in GTS itself. I've seen way to many slow S/S rated drivers that divebomb into T1 and then push anyone who attempts to overtake them later on off track first chance they get.

Reaching S driver rating is overrated in GTS because it can be achieved in a day or two if you race the entire day(s) 3 races an hour and start every race at the back of the pack, drive clean laps. The overtakes alone you get from people going off the circuit and you driving clean sectors will give a S/S rating in no time, just by driving clean...

 

[Cayit]

GT League will be getting better with time (with updates)...Don't worry !!!

 

[Sharpie]

If you don't like it, that's fine, just don't play it. Stupid to say that they should ditch GT League. A feature many have asked for.

We live in times where the video game industry is full of micro transactions, loot boxes and season passes for paid DLC thst should of already been in quite a lot of games. You should appreciate the fact Kaz/PD has gone out their way to give us GT League. Yes, it may not be huge but it's still something at the end of the day.

First people complain about no GT Mode, now people are complaining about *the* GT mode. What more do you want?

We humans are hard to please .

 

[baldgye]

Before December 22: "Why is there no GT Mode in GT Sport?! This goes against the very foundation of what a Gran Turismo game is! Hey look, they're adding back in! Yossha!!"

After December 22: "Look at this repetitive use of tracks, lack of race car competition, substandard AI, no prize cars, only TWO endurance races?? Yeah, I didn't want this addition anyway."

PD gets it. There's no pleasing everyone.

I wish they had got it prior to launch so they never had to waste time indulging people who didn't actually want GT Sport...

 

[GTWelsh]

I just want more online stuff, GT-League won't get any play time from me. I've had 100 times more fun in GTS than any other GT purely down to the online focus. So it would suck to see the games priorities changed.

GT League will be getting better with time (with updates)...Don't worry !!!

But don't you feel that unless they include 400 more cars and the ability to add exhausts and turbos no one will ever be happy? Even then everyone won't be. If that's not PDs aim all this is a pipe dream to me, and, for me at least, pointless.

 

[Imari]

PD gets it. There's no pleasing everyone.

PD gets it. They know that they're incapable of creating competent AI and putting a modicum of thought into creating an engaging and well thought out campaign instead of simply rolling dice to make events.

Perhaps they think that people actually want exactly what they wanted in 1997. Perhaps they don't play any other racing games at all (in which case, well done coming up with an iRacing clone on your own inspiration). Perhaps they just don't give a flying fig and just throw stuff out there in the hopes of shutting people up instead of actually creating a quality experience.

Perhaps we will never know.

 

[fikridroid]

I quite like the fact that I'm driving cars I wouldn' normally choose, on tracks I wouldn't necessarily choose in custom races, much like the more obscure Daily Races in Sport mode.

If you're picking the fastest car you're allowed and then being bored by how easy it is, I'd suggest you need to look at your approach. Try taking on the N500s in an N200, or on lower spec rubber. It'll be far more interesting, you may learn a little something about setting up the car's suspension to make the most of limited power, and you'll get a bonus at the end.

I think that GT League will expand as more cars and tracks become available, and I can see them adding in more achievements to support it. They're tracking League wins so it makes sense for them to add a new achievement wheel into the profile page with 10, 100, 1000-win levels. It might not be your cup of tea, in which case stick to online, but I've quite enjoyed racking up the drift points, liveries and miles, and I'm enjoying having another source of offline races with a little more structure than one-off custom races.

I just hope that subsequent number of wins will award players a random car like the GT mode from old GTs, and it goes better the more win the player gets (like n100 car for 10 wins, n200 for 20 wins etc.)

 

[EnzoRacer]

I want career with spirit of motorsport: championships with qualifications; mechanical failures; managing team stuff and R&D (perks, upgrades)...these elements are present in F1 series, in Dirt Rally, in Project Cars 1-2, Motosport Manager...Why not, PD?!

 

[baldgye]

I want career with spirit of motorsport: championships with qualifications; mechanical failures; managing team stuff and R&D (perks, upgrades)...these elements are present in F1 series, in Dirt Rally, in Project Cars 1-2, Motosport Manager...Why not, PD?!

because...

these elements are present in F1 series, in Dirt Rally, in Project Cars 1-2, Motosport Manager...

I said it before, and I will always maintain (unless it happens), the entire gt league should be available in Sport Mode as well.

Daily 30 minute Porsche Cup Races? Yes please!

LeMans has to be coming given all the LeMans scapes (at least, I hope) and maybe some multiplayer endurance racing!

To me, GT League shouldn't ever have been worked on. Instead they should have fleshed out the online and Sport mode. I'm of the opinion that they would have done this, but forces above the team put pressure on them to work on GT League and the post release zeal of people who don't want GT Sport put more pressure on them and gave power to the people who originally demanded it pre-launch.

I have little hope for Sport mode going forward and I would imagine the focus of the game moves towards offline to appease the people who are too short sighted to see a GT game as anything other than a car collecting game vs horrible AI across various tracks.
I hope I'm wrong...

 

[Johnnypenso]

Ahh, the typical GT "Fanbase" that emerges with every game and complains about everything. Surprised there aren't people on here who complain about free content that is their choice to ignore if they don't like it, oh wait...

Ah the typical GTP Wiseman who still hasn't realized we don't live in a homogeneous world.

 

[jagenigma]

Seriously the GT league in this game sucks donkey nards. Why on earth did people complain about mission challenge when it offered competitive racing that didn't involve racing through a grid of mismatched cars with two fast ones up front?
Examples Boxer spirit. I thought I would be racing Porsches VS Subarus Vs tuned 86's , but nope PD tosses in a samba bus and bone stock cars.
The single player update basically consists of picking the fastest car or tunning your car to win. I LITERALLY fell asleep playing this crap last night

There is truly no pleasing every gt fan.

People wanted more content for the game, PD responds with a good update. There are other games to play. And the singular complaint about the boxer cup, it's open to any car with a horizontally opposed engine. Yes, the AI does need some work. During the TT cup, the AI did have weird racing lines, but GT league seems to be a work in progress. Hopefully that would be improved in future updates.

 

[fikridroid]

because...




To me, GT League shouldn't ever have been worked on. Instead they should have fleshed out the online and Sport mode. I'm of the opinion that they would have done this, but forces above the team put pressure on them to work on GT League and the post release zeal of people who don't want GT Sport put more pressure on them and gave power to the people who originally demanded it pre-launch.

I have little hope for Sport mode going forward and I would imagine the focus of the game moves towards offline to appease the people who are too short sighted to see a GT game as anything other than a car collecting game vs horrible AI across various tracks.
I hope I'm wrong...

Sadly it's bound to happen since IIRC Kaz himself already said that GTS was GT7 and there's no other GT iteration that planned for the PS4, and thus the average joes and most old-timers have put absurdly high expectations for GTS hoping it to be the 'proper' GT that they used to know and love.

 

[Famine]

You are assuming I picked the fastest car

Not really assuming, more reasonably concluding from when you said:

The single player update basically consists of picking the fastest car or tunning your car to win.

I'm afraid I can't read your mind, or interpret how you are playing the game from any other evidence than what you post. If you say that GT League "basically consists of picking the fastest car or tunning your car to win." (sic) there's no reasonable way to conclude that you did anything other than picking the fastest car or tuning one to win.

And of course you can if you wish. I've been using much slower cars, which you can also do - despite your claim to the contrary - given that the AI is heavily rubber-banded and all.

 

[Joey D]

I didn't really care for GT Sport prior to the GT League. I don't like racing online and the few races I tried in the game were horrendous. Others either got bent out of shape if you tapped them during close racing or were constantly purposely trying to wreck other drivers.

The missions were just glorified license tests and became really unexciting pretty quick.

Now that there's a GT League, I find myself actually wanting to play GT Sport. So much so that I've even set Forza aside for the time being and focusing purely on running races in the GT League. I hope to see it expand with future updates too.

Having a game where you can play a decent online mode if you want and a decent single player mode seems like a good strategy for a racing game. Especially from a brand like Gran Turismo which has been around for 20 years.

 

[baldgye]

Sadly it's bound to happen since IIRC Kaz himself already said that GTS was GT7 and there's no other GT iteration that planned for the PS4, and thus the average joes and most old-timers have put absurdly high expectations for GTS hoping it to be the 'proper' GT that they used to know and love.

He did? I thought he had been saying the opposite, hence why GT Sport was called GT Sport and not GT7.

The average joes have had 20 years of the proper GT they love, makes sense they would feel the need to be entitled to another one of the same games rather than something new

 

[Joey D]

He did? I thought he had been saying the opposite, hence why GT Sport was called GT Sport and not GT7.

Yup: https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-sport-could-have-been-called-gt7-sport/

 

[baldgye]

Having a game where you can play a decent online mode if you want and a decent single player mode seems like a good strategy for a racing game. Especially from a brand like Gran Turismo which has been around for 20 years.

You thinking having fairly basic online match making with no presents you can choose (race length or party play etc) and the GT League are both decent?
To me they seem below par for what they should be offering. If this was any other genre it would be woefully inadequate.

For me, the splitting of resources only makes both worse, rather than one or the other really good

Yup: https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-sport-could-have-been-called-gt7-sport/

No wonder GT Sport post launch is such a mess, I didn't realise how much of a follower of the Peter Molyneux theory Kaz was
I'd followed GT Sport from a distance, as I do with most GT games prior to launch and I did get the impression it wasn't going to be GT7... but there is Kaz saying the exact opposite...

 

[lancia delta hf]

GT League will be getting better with time (with updates)...Don't worry !!!

Better or more of the same?

 

[Voodoovaj]

I don't understand the AI discussion. Never have really.

So, according to the naysayers...

People want AI that drives like humans, but the AI is "stupid" because it's slow and crashes and, especially it crashes into the player.

We have a mode where all competitors are humans, but it sucks because the humans drive like jerks. They crash all the time and, especially, into the player.

Either PD has achieved the goal, or you all need to describe the goal better.

 

[Joey D]

You thinking having fairly basic online match making with no presents you can choose (race length or party play etc) and the GT League are both decent?
To me they seem below par for what they should be offering. If this was any other genre it would be woefully inadequate.

For me, the splitting of resources only makes both worse, rather than one or the other really good

To me it's not vastly different than other offering in the genre right now, it's just slimmed down compared to something like Forza 7.

I agree, both modes need improvements. However, I'm sure most long time GT fans have come to understand that since the introduction of online patching, no GT game has been fantastic at the start. GT5 and GT6 were both atrocious at launch, but steadily got better and better. I assume GTS will be the same way.

I also don't think the splitting of resources will really matter a whole bunch either. Most of the assets can be used in both single player and multiplayer modes (cars, tracks, etc.). Even the single player mode is basically PD taking the custom races and putting a set criteria on them, so I don't imagine there's a ton of build involve with them.

From what I've seen, my guess is that Sony pushed PD to get GTS released around the Foza 7 launch, which means things were sort of half-assed at the end. I'm guessing that all this stuff will be fixed going forward.

 

[GTWelsh]

I don't understand the AI discussion. Never have really.

So, according to the naysayers...

People want AI that drives like humans, but the AI is "stupid" because it's slow and crashes and, especially it crashes into the player.

We have a mode where all competitors are humans, but it sucks because the humans drive like jerks. They crash all the time and, especially, into the player.

Either PD has achieved the goal, or you all need to describe the goal better.

Made me laugh this. "The AI is crap" (meh, it's alright, I've raced better / faster, it's not crap though), yet I have epic close online races nearly everyday and less and less bad experiences all the time, they're actually rare now, get online!

FYI: When you're online and you see a fast clean racer you really enjoyed racing, add him/her as a friend (or at least follow him/her *).
All these new racer friends will be searchable using the "only show Lobbies with friends in" (or whatever it's called) filter in the Lobby main screen, continue doing this and you end up building a pretty good database of good racers, recognise each-other, end up in group messages when organising races and or chill practice lobbies, etc.

*I'm not sure if followed racers show up in the "friends" filter

 

[C_Raccoon23]

To me, GT League shouldn't ever have been worked on. Instead they should have fleshed out the online and Sport mode. I'm of the opinion that they would have done this, but forces above the team put pressure on them to work on GT League and the post release zeal of people who don't want GT Sport put more pressure on them and gave power to the people who originally demanded it pre-launch.

I have little hope for Sport mode going forward and I would imagine the focus of the game moves towards offline to appease the people who are too short sighted to see a GT game as anything other than a car collecting game vs horrible AI across various tracks.
I hope I'm wrong...

Nope, PD has no one to blame but themselves. I’ll say it again, they underestimated how many people prefer single player content. (Stats from other racing games and GTS itself show this)

Had they actually launced the game with sufficient single player conten in first place, they wouldn’t have to do damage control in the form of GT League. Surely they knew the risks of abandoning the formula that made them so successful for the past 20 years.

 

[baldgye]

To me it's not vastly different than other offering in the genre right now, it's just slimmed down compared to something like Forza 7.

I agree, both modes need improvements. However, I'm sure most long time GT fans have come to understand that since the introduction of online patching, no GT game has been fantastic at the start. GT5 and GT6 were both atrocious at launch, but steadily got better and better. I assume GTS will be the same way.

I also don't think the splitting of resources will really matter a whole bunch either. Most of the assets can be used in both single player and multiplayer modes (cars, tracks, etc.). Even the single player mode is basically PD taking the custom races and putting a set criteria on them, so I don't imagine there's a ton of build involve with them.

From what I've seen, my guess is that Sony pushed PD to get GTS released around the Foza 7 launch, which means things were sort of half-assed at the end. I'm guessing that all this stuff will be fixed going forward.

I see getting properly working online racing tools, to be working, mostly fair and balanced to be a constant on going process that you never properly resolve, but you need to constantly work on and evolve over the coarse of the games life.

I think the work they put into GT League diluted what Sport was at least to me, which was an online focused racing game.
While they worked on that GR4 was a one make series and a good portion of the very few tracks we see in Sport mode are actually good and not just SR destroyers.
How many races have been ruined thanks to the new yellow flag penalties?

I don't think that PD have the team or management to do both of those things well, which is why I was so hopeful for Sport, a focused online experience would not only make it stand out, but mark a real change for the series... but, what do I know... I guess they should have just carried on making the same game forever... that always works out well

Nope, PD has no one to blame but themselves. I’ll say it again, they underestimated how many people prefer single player content. (Stats from other racing games and GTS itself show this)

Had they actually launced the game with sufficient single player conten in first place, they wouldn’t have to do damage control in the form of GT League. Surely they knew the risks of abandoning the formula that made them so successful for the past 20 years.

Nope what?
PD have themselves to blame for wanting to make something different for the first time in 20-odd years?

They came up with a successful format, and thus, cannot make anything else ever again without first satisfying the masses? How insane is that?
I love LOVE Metal Gear Solid, but Christ, I'm so glad he gets to work on something different...

 

[baldgye]

sorry double post

 

[MatskiMonk]

Nope, PD has no one to blame but themselves. I’ll say it again, they underestimated how many people prefer single player content. (Stats from other racing games and GTS itself show this)

Had they actually launced the game with sufficient single player conten in first place, they wouldn’t have to do damage control in the form of GT League. Surely they knew the risks of abandoning the formula that made them so successful for the past 20 years.

Have a look at trophy stats for the offline portions of the game, either the majority of GTS owners are really bad at the game, or people simply aren't spending that much time in on the offline bits either.

 

[GTWelsh]

Using the FIFA analogy. Copy and Paste, improve graphics slightly, add very few new features, remove the most unused features. Release many PAID DLCs, wheels, paints, liveries, no cars or tracks though. Release a new instalment every year at full price (with new cars and tracks). If PD were after nothing but money, they'd be doing that.

 

[Norman Self]

Never been a fan of online racing games, I'm just not happy with destruction derbys.

GT Sport on the other hand? Some of the best racing fun I've had since playing GT4 on the sofa with friends. Love it!

I've barely touched the single player stuff.

A much better sense of achievement winning against real people. (only won once so far in over 100 Sport races)

 

[DGXR]

Also, the AI in GT 1-3 was not under the influence of alcohol. in GT Leauge they wreck every other turn.

Totally agreed, the current AI is incredibly bad at driving, most of the time.

But don't you feel that unless they include 400 more cars and the ability to add exhausts and turbos no one will ever be happy? Even then everyone won't be. If that's not PDs aim all this is a pipe dream to me, and, for me at least, pointless.

I do miss the days of buying specific performance parts. Now it's just add power or reduce weight.
Also, why does every car come with an unlimited supply of all tires, in every variety available? This is a huge oversight in my opinion.

I don't understand the AI discussion. Never have really.
So, according to the naysayers...
People want AI that drives like humans, but the AI is "stupid" because it's slow and crashes and, especially it crashes into the player.
We have a mode where all competitors are humans, but it sucks because the humans drive like jerks. They crash all the time and, especially, into the player.
Either PD has achieved the goal, or you all need to describe the goal better.

I think the difference is this:
-- the AI drivers are *consistently* bad, like 80-90% of the time they are all over the place and sliding off course, weaving across the track... in all honesty, this deserves some criticism. The year is 2017 and AI really should be better than this... come on, a little better, right!
-- human drivers can be even worse than the AI, but more unpredictable (INconsistent). You never know if a human driver will be fast and clean or pure destruction derby, or somewhere in between.

In other words, with the AI you can be pretty sure of consistently bad driving. With humans, it's a roll of the dice.

GT League will be getting better with time (with updates)...Don't worry !!!

I am with you -- thanks for keeping a positive attitude. It's not that difficult to stay positive if we can all remember this is a VIDEO GAME that we are choosing to play. Nobody is forcing us to pick up the controller. Some people are true fanatics (fans) of the GT franchise, and are more passionate, so we get some really insane stuff posted on the forums. Others more casual "just for fun" players. I love GT, but not enough to upset me so bad... this is supposed to be FUN!!! :rock:

 

[MatskiMonk]

Totally agreed, the current AI is incredibly bad at driving, most of the time.

In a custom race, with the difficulty on pro, I don't find them too bad ... which is the odd thing - having the AI behave like this in GT League mode must be a conscious choice by PD, because the AI isn't like that in all game modes.