Penalties from other drivers

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D1RTIEST
I was running third last night on the Blue Moon daily, the first corner I had the racing line and some idiot went full speed on the inside and smashed me into the barrier. It gave me a 5 second penalty for hitting the wall and then another 5 seconds when I skated across the track and hit the other wall.

After checking the replay there was nothing I could have done to stop it so I'm not sure why I got penalised twice... is this just a mis hap from the penalty system or will I get a penalty each time an idiot smacks me into a wall?
 
Both players get a penalty every time these is contact. The person who caused it will get more, though.
 
Robben
Both players get a penalty every time these is contact. The person who caused it will get more, though.
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Uhm no. Sometimes the person who caused it doesn't get a penalty at all. Plus there are the times when someone forces you off the road without contact and you take a shortcut or wall touch penalty. In many cases it's actually less costly to let the other car hit you than to evade....

Just yesterday in my first Kyoto race a yellow connection car hit the grass on the right side of the track on the way to the U-turn and T-boned me while I was going straight in the inside. I got a penalty and got pushed into the grass with no control and hit another car at the apex. Red rating for that for me, nothing for him.
 
Yup, I've learned that no matter how clean you try to race you will get penalized and lose SR for someone else driving in to you. I've had racers drive in to the back of my car at full speed approaching a hard turn and I end up with a 5 second penalty and loss of SR for something that I had absolutely no control over. Its frustrating and annoying but its part of the game.
 
353 Hemi
Yup, I've learned that no matter how clean you try to race you will get penalized and lose SR for someone else driving in to you. I've had racers drive in to the back of my car at full speed approaching a hard turn and I end up with a 5 second penalty and loss of SR for something that I had absolutely no control over. Its frustrating and annoying but its part of the game.
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On the other hand recently though I have bumped the rear of the car in front of me in the braking zone and got no penalty. I think that should always be a penalty unless maybe someone brake checks you but your first job out there is to avoid hitting others. If you go into a corner side by side and maintain your line while giving your opponent room and he either pushes up into you or turns down on you I don't think you should be given a penalty at all if you maintained your line. If the game doesn't know the difference how could it hand a more severe penalty to one driver? Being penalized in this situation is basically being penalized for passing.
 
The penalty system seems so broken at this point that even trying to avoid being close to other cars doesn't always work, though that seems to be the safest option. I've found that being in a pack, no matter how skilled the drivers are, tends to eventually lead to multiple if not all drivers in the pack getting a penalty. Usually if the last car in the pack is not getting very close to cars in front, but stays in the draft line it has the best chance of "leading" the pack by the end of the race because all others close to each other will have penalty time, or lose a lot of speed deleting the penalty.
 
Robben
Both players get a penalty every time these is contact. The person who caused it will get more, though.
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Not true. I didn't see what the fuss about the Sport Mode penalty system was until I started doing Daily Races a few days ago. Racing the KTM at Willow Springs today I saw someone cause a **** show by running into two people, one of whom hit someone else, on the first corner of the first lap. All three innocent parties got a penalty and the person that caused it got away scott free! Granted, he could have lost SR but if he stayed clean for the rest of the race he could easily build up SR to limit the loss.
 
It seems pretty random, I was hit at speed twice yesterday on Wagamama(?) and on both occasions I received no penalty, although I didn't hit any walls as a result.
 
Honestly I'd rather they just remove penalties entirely at this point. It's such an incredibly incompetent system and they've proven they cannot adjust it and make it fair, so please just kill it. It's not working.

Literally just got a 3 second penalty for being rammed at the first corner of an 11 lap Nurb GP race that ultimately cost me the win. Started on pole, braked at a sensible place, got rammed, bam 3 seconds as if that's my fault. Lost the race by 1.5 seconds after the penalty was factored in... Thanks for penalizing me for some other idiot's driving. Absolutely unacceptable.

...And just happened again. Got divebombed up the inside where I had no control and got a 3 second penalty. Thought I had it managed with a 4 second gap to 2nd but with 2 laps to go I realized I fueled a lap too short. Leaned up my fuel map and still retained the track position and crossed the line first but my pace difference was enough for him to get close enough and take the win with the -3secs. Sure that's partially my fault but I had it completely won without the penalty which was 0 my responsibility. Two victories taken away from me today through an incompetent penalty system. Thanks, PD.
 
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fastone371
On the other hand recently though I have bumped the rear of the car in front of me in the braking zone and got no penalty. I think that should always be a penalty unless maybe someone brake checks you but your first job out there is to avoid hitting others. If you go into a corner side by side and maintain your line while giving your opponent room and he either pushes up into you or turns down on you I don't think you should be given a penalty at all if you maintained your line. If the game doesn't know the difference how could it hand a more severe penalty to one driver? Being penalized in this situation is basically being penalized for passing.
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That may be because the car in front has braked way earlier than necessary. I was following two cars, so braked a touch early just incase, the car in front went left to avoid the car in front of him, I went right so not to hit him and ended up hitting the first car. Nothing I could do, the game knows when you've made a mistake so could be the same in your case
 
Conquerer
Honestly I'd rather they just remove penalties entirely at this point. It's such an incredibly incompetent system and they've proven they cannot adjust it and make it fair, so please just kill it. It's not working. ...
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This ! This ! This !
Would anyone in the world stick to anything not good ? No, everyone would skip it sooner or later and try again !
 
I notice a lot of drivers just seem to run with the penalty until the end of the race, is there any advantage to that or not?
 
darth_tails
I notice a lot of drivers just seem to run with the penalty until the end of the race, is there any advantage to that or not?
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If it's only a few seconds then definitely yes, mostly you'll lose more time serving it than just carrying to the end. It gets less clearer the bigger the penalty.
 
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ASH32
If it's only a few seconds then definitely yes, mostly you'll lose more time serving it than just carrying to the end. It gets less clear the bigger the penalty.
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I'll keep that in mind, online racing is starting to make a bit more sense as I've been trying to figure that one out and explains why I've
been loosing more than winning of late.
 
darth_tails
I notice a lot of drivers just seem to run with the penalty until the end of the race, is there any advantage to that or not?
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You may think that you're the only one with a penalty, and that running with it to the end will mean that other cars will inherit your position when the penalty is applied, but often cars running behind you will be carrying a penalty too!
 
bone_tone
You may think that you're the only one with a penalty, and that running with it to the end will mean that other cars will inherit your position when the penalty is applied, but often cars running behind you will be carrying a penalty too!
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Yes that is true, I guess it's a bit easier now we have the flashing penalty notification, just seems a little daft to run with it all the way
to the end but will see what happens in future races.
 
darth_tails
Yes that is true, I guess it's a bit easier now we have the flashing penalty notification, just seems a little daft to run with it all the way
to the end but will see what happens in future races.
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It's better than slowing down during the race which usually causes more problems. Instead increase the gap enough to the car behind so you can run full speed over the finish or shave it off (out of the way) before the line. You can reduce the penalty at the finish over twice as fast as the time you lose to the person behind you.

Besides that, you might lose some of it naturally during the race when you have to slow down for traffic, avoid an accident, or are unlucky enough to go off track yourself. Some places on some tracks have the penalty count down a sliver even if you go full speed. For example over 10 laps you lose a 2 sec penalty from T1 on Monza by driving full pace in GR.2. On Brand's hatch the pit entrance is 'bugged' and you can lose up to 9 sec of penalty by driving in it at normal pace (slowing down for the turns)

Also a 1 sec or less penalty (left over) might give the person behind you less incentive to do a last minute overtake, hoping he'll gain the position at the finish, while you only have to brake at the very last moment to lose that tiny amount. Once I had 0.03 sec penalty left, still a big flashing sign, just don't forget to slow down as it will still round up to 1 at the finish. Without knowing how much of a penalty someone has the flashing sign is pretty useless. The message the game gives you of how much the other person received is very unreliable and often just a flat out lie.

The flashing sign might also scare off other people, don't get close he might hit you ;) Yet it might also invite some people to try to drive through you. There's a bug where people with penalties can drive through each other in some cases.

Overall it's just much better to keep going with a penalty. Only when it gets past 10 sec in DR.A you need to serve it quickly. In DR.B you can drive on even longer.
 
Sven Jurgens
It's better than slowing down during the race which usually causes more problems.

The flashing sign might also scare off other people, don't get close he might hit you ;) Yet it might also invite some people to try to drive through you. There's a bug where people with penalties can drive through each other in some cases.

Overall it's just much better to keep going with a penalty. Only when it gets past 10 sec in DR.A you need to serve it quickly. In DR.B you can drive on even longer.
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Thanks for the detailed answer, I learned quite a bit about all this from my attempts at Race 3 (Autodromo Maggiore) yesterday, I'm C DR Rank so
I don't think the penalties affect me too much at the minute but I had to run with the penalties yesterday as it was too costly to slow down and
serve them since the rest of the pack was going flat out in the race.

I see Monza is one of the races today so that should be interesting to see what happens. :)
 
Regarding carrying penalties, I carry the smaller ones to the end, or if I have managed to open enough gap to cover the penalty, I'll slow to get rid of it and still maintain my position on the last lap. This strategy has helped alot lately.
 
Conquerer
Honestly I'd rather they just remove penalties entirely at this point. It's such an incredibly incompetent system and they've proven they cannot adjust it and make it fair, so please just kill it. It's not working.
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That would only make things worse... you should see the online of GRID: Autosport.
 
I just raced at Monza this morning, I am assuming they modified the penalty system again with 1.18 update? I got an SR reduction for 1 single incident in the braking zone at 2nd chicane. I barely rear ended the car in front of me, he did not even go off track and I got a 3.95 sec. penalty. I was a little faster, I moved to the inside line, I actually started braking before he did but he moved over in front of me in the braking zone (I saved the race and took all the pictures as proof but I am not sure how to put them here) and I touched his bumper. WTF?

Then I had a clean race. After that in the next race I got a 1.95 second short cut penalty for too much curb in 2nd chicane and got an SR reduction to SR-A, never touched another car.
 
Conquerer
Honestly I'd rather they just remove penalties entirely at this point. It's such an incredibly incompetent system and they've proven they cannot adjust it and make it fair, so please just kill it. It's not working.
Absolutely unacceptable.
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A no penalty system would be a disaster. Anybody race on GRID 1 online back in the day on PS3? talk about a ****show....geez.
ANY lead in the last half of those races (or at any time) and you would get punted out of contention.

How soon we forget.

Yes, it has it's flaws, but I have found that more often than not, it works out. Yes, I have been penalized when I felt I shouldn't have been.
But I've also been playing racing games since the original Nintendo system, and this is the best console racing game out there to date. (Just an opinion. I haven't played PC or AC yet, nor have had an xbox).

If you care to think about it another way, there is kind of a trade off system going on.....how many times have you ran through a ghosted car that was out of control spinning/crashing in front of you? In real racing when that happens, your chance to win would be just as over and done. Plenty of the real fastest cars on any track experience plenty of things completely out of their control that cost them victory, and they have a lot more at stake than having to wait 5 minutes fuming for the next race to start.

Everybody seems so obsessed with their precious DR/SR rating. I really don't understand it. If I get knocked down to a B, so be it. I'll race again and try to get it back up. If I don't, I still had fun racing. I really don't care about my rating. That doesn't mean I drive like an a-hole; I've been an S at times. I try to be clean and courteous, hold my line and avoid others.

I kinda wish they'd hide the driver ratings....I think that might keep the incessant whining that goes on around here down a little.
I've never seen a forum where people complain so much, yet they keep coming back for more.

If it's "Absolutely unacceptable" then don't play. Why would anyone continue to do that?

None of this is directed solely at you, conquerer.
 
JohnnyMac
A no penalty system would be a disaster. Anybody race on GRID 1 online back in the day on PS3? talk about a ****show....geez.
ANY lead in the last half of those races (or at any time) and you would get punted out of contention.

How soon we forget.

Yes, it has it's flaws, but I have found that more often than not, it works out. Yes, I have been penalized when I felt I shouldn't have been.
But I've also been playing racing games since the original Nintendo system, and this is the best console racing game out there to date. (Just an opinion. I haven't played PC or AC yet, nor have had an xbox).

If you care to think about it another way, there is kind of a trade off system going on.....how many times have you ran through a ghosted car that was out of control spinning/crashing in front of you? In real racing when that happens, your chance to win would be just as over and done. Plenty of the real fastest cars on any track experience plenty of things completely out of their control that cost them victory, and they have a lot more at stake than having to wait 5 minutes fuming for the next race to start.

Everybody seems so obsessed with their precious DR/SR rating. I really don't understand it. If I get knocked down to a B, so be it. I'll race again and try to get it back up. If I don't, I still had fun racing. I really don't care about my rating. That doesn't mean I drive like an a-hole; I've been an S at times. I try to be clean and courteous, hold my line and avoid others.

I kinda wish they'd hide the driver ratings....I think that might keep the incessant whining that goes on around here down a little.
I've never seen a forum where people complain so much, yet they keep coming back for more.

If it's "Absolutely unacceptable" then don't play. Why would anyone continue to do that?

None of this is directed solely at you, conquerer.
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Excellent post!! I have discovered what causes most of my frustration with GT Sport mode is driver ratings, like you suggest though it is something I'm going to stop worrying over. You dont gain anything for a high SR or DR so I'm going to quit skipping races because I am concerned it will affect my rating. Maybe racing with drivers that I need to be very cautious of will improve my skills in the long run.
 

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