Penalties from other drivers

[Sven Jurgens]

Excellent post!! I have discovered what causes most of my frustration with GT Sport mode is driver ratings, like you suggest though it is something I'm going to stop worrying over. You dont gain anything for a high SR or DR so I'm going to quit skipping races because I am concerned it will affect my rating. Maybe racing with drivers that I need to be very cautious of will improve my skills in the long run.

The problem is it does affect the fun level. Unless you like being on pole in a room full of drivers that are 2 sec slower. Losing a bit of DR is not much of a problem yet drop SR and you get to sit through a string of boring races to get back to closer competition. At least that's my observation in DR.A. Get a DR reset and the string of boring / frustrating races is even longer. You don't want to go back to racing people that keep going off road and brake at the wrong time.

DR should reflect you average race pace to be matched with people of similar skills. Atm it is tied too much to qualifying skills especially in the daily A and B races and can go down far too easily through no fault of your own with a bad race, disconnect, lag and/or lousy matchmaking. Looking at my DR graph I must be a very unstable person However I mostly race the same and it keeps fluctuating between 26k and 49k even after 2600 races! You would think it would stabilize after that long.

PD needs to figure out a more stable way to calculate SR and DR. The massive drops (and massive gains in SR on daily C) keeps matchmaking a guessing game. DR resets make it worse.

 

[Leggacy]

Has the penalty system changed in the last update? I’ve had a couple of unfortunate races lately with some rammers. one of them deliberately slowed to let me past on the straight at big willow only to dive bomb in to me at the first corner. I left the track briefly and was expecting a penalty but he got one, he tried ramming me and forcing me off track but I got no penalty’s at all while his kept racking up. I’ve saved and shared the replay of that one. I had a similar but not so extreme episode today where some one wouldn’t give me space, he got penalties and I didn’t. Have I been lucky of is this a significant change in the penalty system?

 

[fastone371]

The problem is it does affect the fun level. Unless you like being on pole in a room full of drivers that are 2 sec slower. Losing a bit of DR is not much of a problem yet drop SR and you get to sit through a string of boring races to get back to closer competition. At least that's my observation in DR.A. Get a DR reset and the string of boring / frustrating races is even longer. You don't want to go back to racing people that keep going off road and brake at the wrong time.

DR should reflect you average race pace to be matched with people of similar skills. Atm it is tied too much to qualifying skills especially in the daily A and B races and can go down far too easily through no fault of your own with a bad race, disconnect, lag and/or lousy matchmaking. Looking at my DR graph I must be a very unstable person However I mostly race the same and it keeps fluctuating between 26k and 49k even after 2600 races! You would think it would stabilize after that long.

PD needs to figure out a more stable way to calculate SR and DR. The massive drops (and massive gains in SR on daily C) keeps matchmaking a guessing game. DR resets make it worse.

Thanks to the ridiculous penalty system I got bumped from SR99 to an A yesterday at Monza for a single 3.95 second short cut penalty, took too much curb at 2nd chicane. I raced in an SR A field this morning with DRA, B, and a couple C 's, that was a cleaner race than the second one I did full of SR S drivers at Dragon Trail Race C. I was in 6th and got bumped into the inner wall at the very last corner and came to a dead stop, crossed finish line 11th, classified 9th. Everyone except me and 1 or 2 others had penalties from 11th on up. Im not going to worry about SR as much so we will see what happens for me. Im not going to intentionally run people off the track but Im not going to avoid races out of concern for my SR either.
My DR usually hangs at 18,000- 20,000 points, I just cant seem to find that last 2 seconds or so of speed. My qualifying time at Dragon Trail Race C this morning was 1.31:723, best sectors said it could have been 1.31:100, I doubt I would be able to go faster without 100 laps of practice.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Has the penalty system changed in the last update? I’ve had a couple of unfortunate races lately with some rammers. one of them deliberately slowed to let me past on the straight at big willow only to dive bomb in to me at the first corner. I left the track briefly and was expecting a penalty but he got one, he tried ramming me and forcing me off track but I got no penalty’s at all while his kept racking up. I’ve saved and shared the replay of that one. I had a similar but not so extreme episode today where some one wouldn’t give me space, he got penalties and I didn’t. Have I been lucky of is this a significant change in the penalty system?

It seems to be even less predictable now. Yesterday I had a battle with a DR.B driver on Monza. He wasn't giving me space and tried forcing his way back through every T1. I managed to win with the clean race bonus and no penalties despite plenty of contact. He didn't get any penalties either.

However in another race a car forced past in T1 and gave me a 5 sec penalty, then a car unghosted right before my bumper while going very slow for anlother 5 sec and I lost 18 SR in that one. Less contact incidents than in the 'clean' race....

Maybe the difference was in the lag. In the 'clean' race I was racing against a yellow connection moving kinda erratically. Perhaps they changed the penalties involving laggy cars.

 

[GA 52]

The problem is it does affect the fun level. Unless you like being on pole in a room full of drivers that are 2 sec slower. Losing a bit of DR is not much of a problem yet drop SR and you get to sit through a string of boring races to get back to closer competition. At least that's my observation in DR.A. Get a DR reset and the string of boring / frustrating races is even longer. You don't want to go back to racing people that keep going off road and brake at the wrong time.

DR should reflect you average race pace to be matched with people of similar skills. Atm it is tied too much to qualifying skills especially in the daily A and B races and can go down far too easily through no fault of your own with a bad race, disconnect, lag and/or lousy matchmaking. Looking at my DR graph I must be a very unstable person However I mostly race the same and it keeps fluctuating between 26k and 49k even after 2600 races! You would think it would stabilize after that long.

PD needs to figure out a more stable way to calculate SR and DR. The massive drops (and massive gains in SR on daily C) keeps matchmaking a guessing game. DR resets make it worse.

Sven - is there a table or a formula available how they calculate the DR/SR's today? I understand it depends on how many racers in the starting grid - which position you started from and which position you got at the end. But honestly don't know how it is calculated? Cheers .

 

[UnkaD]

I was in a race at the new Dragon Garden a few nights back where I just barely missed my usual braking point and ever-so-gently caressed the outside rear corner of the next guy. Nothing to me, but the game gave him a penalty. I just thought damn, that's messed up and felt guilty the whole rest of the race. Of course, afterward he was more upset with the game than with me.

Maybe racing with drivers that I need to be very cautious of will improve my skills in the long run.

It absolutely helps. There are still a lot of cases where things can't be helped, but overall you can certainly get to a point where you can read what other drivers are doing and react to it. I still hate brake-zone punters, though.

 

[GA 52]

I was in a race at the new Dragon Garden a few nights back where I just barely missed my usual braking point and ever-so-gently caressed the outside rear corner of the next guy. Nothing to me, but the game gave him a penalty. I just thought damn, that's messed up and felt guilty the whole rest of the race. Of course, afterward he was more upset with the game than with me.

Happened to me today too - I was probably too close (slipstreaming) but he put the brake pedals too hard for me avoid a touch...... and he got the penalty - I felt bad too! @#$%^%$34*&(^432v for the penalty system.. Cheers - happy to read your post imho!

 

[fastone371]

It absolutely helps. There are still a lot of cases where things can't be helped, but overall you can certainly get to a point where you can read what other drivers are doing and react to it. I still hate brake-zone punters, though.

It just goes so far beyond me that so many out there do not know the braking point for the first chicane at Monza and that its probably a good idea to start covering the brake a little early on the opening lap unless you are the lead car, in that case you can not touch the brakes at all or you risk being punted to somewhere around the vicinity of Spa Francorchamps. Why are you even racing there if you dont know that braking point ????

 

[John Crellin]

Sven - is there a table or a formula available how they calculate the DR/SR's today? I understand it depends on how many racers in the starting grid - which position you started from and which position you got at the end. But honestly don't know how it is calculated? Cheers .

Here you go

How does driver rating work

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

It absolutely helps. There are still a lot of cases where things can't be helped, but overall you can certainly get to a point where you can read what other drivers are doing and react to it. I still hate brake-zone punters, though.

Reading other drivers is definitely a skill that helps minimize penalties. Think of those aggressive drivers that will give you unfair penalties as a killer bee. You notice one right behind you, it may be better to just let them go. Sounds crazy to give up a position that easily but inevitably, that driver is going to sting someone. Tough for them but it also means a great chance to move up in the results.

 

[GA 52]

Here you go

How does driver rating work

WOW - thanks John!! Cheers .

 

[fastone371]

Just this morning at Nurb Grand Prix track race C at Dunlop I was inside with another driver outside of me, he was about a 1/2 car ahead, he turned in too far and caught my front bumper and he got a penalty, I did not. Then at the Veedol chicane with a different opponent he must have started braking a little early, I started braking maybe a 1/2 car early but I hit his rear bumper about half way into the brake zone and he got a penalty but I did not I moved right to try to avoid him but still made contact. Any idea what is going on? I think we had the same DR rating, Im a DR B, they would have been DR B or maybe a DR A. I was surprised that I did not receive penalties in either situation, is this due to the 1.18 update? I have not been racing in Sport mode as much the last couple of weeks.

 

[Ben Hunt]

I've been thinking for a while that damage would be a much more effective mechanism than simply slow-down penalties. Like in Grid Motorsport, any contact could risk damage, which can affect your aerodynamics, handling, or even a blowout. Stupid contact (e.g. late braking and ramming in a slow corner) could really knacker your performance, making it harder to keep up with the pace. Other unsporstmanlike behaviour, such as edging an opponent off-track, should be better handled by slow-down penalties. So if you want to be a prat and bump into people, expect to be compromised for the rest of the race. Do it repeatedly, and you're only slowing yourself down. I really think that would get idiots to think twice.

 

[GA 52]

I'm hearing some various opinions in different treads about who was the faulty driver in quite a few videos. I'm curious of your opinions on this minor incident happened today. I'm in the red one and got 2 seconds penalty for the two hits from the driver on my left side. I understand he got an issue with the guy in the black one coming back into the race track so I moved over to give him some space but as he was behind so to me I thought wouldn't it be a little in the ethics of racing to back off here? Agree or not - just curious..?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

That should be a penalty for the black car, irresponsibly rejoining the track. The orange car should also have slowed down instead of ramming you. You should not have gotten any penalties there. I also don't understand why it would give them to you. You are ahead, not swerving, moving away from him at the time and he hits your rear wheel twice. Perhaps the game gave you a penalty as he was closer to the racing line. (Just trying to understand how the game works, you were not at fault imo)

 

[fastone371]

I've been thinking for a while that damage would be a much more effective mechanism than simply slow-down penalties. Like in Grid Motorsport, any contact could risk damage, which can affect your aerodynamics, handling, or even a blowout. Stupid contact (e.g. late braking and ramming in a slow corner) could really knacker your performance, making it harder to keep up with the pace. Other unsporstmanlike behaviour, such as edging an opponent off-track, should be better handled by slow-down penalties. So if you want to be a prat and bump into people, expect to be compromised for the rest of the race. Do it repeatedly, and you're only slowing yourself down. I really think that would get idiots to think twice.

That should be a penalty for the black car, irresponsibly rejoining the track. The orange car should also have slowed down instead of ramming you. You should not have gotten any penalties there. I also don't understand why it would give them to you. You are ahead, not swerving, moving away from him at the time and he hits your rear wheel twice. Perhaps the game gave you a penalty as he was closer to the racing line. (Just trying to understand how the game works, you were not at fault imo)

I completely agree with Sven, red card is nothing to deserve a penalty. Its things like that PD needs to see to iron out faults with penalty system

 

[GA 52]

That should be a penalty for the black car, irresponsibly rejoining the track. The orange car should also have slowed down instead of ramming you. You should not have gotten any penalties there. I also don't understand why it would give them to you. You are ahead, not swerving, moving away from him at the time and he hits your rear wheel twice. Perhaps the game gave you a penalty as he was closer to the racing line. (Just trying to understand how the game works, you were not at fault imo)

Thank you Sven/fastone - All I can say is that I had to leave my racing line when the black car came back into the track. If I had driven the orange car I would just lift the gas pedal for a second or two. I find the penalty system strange. Also in a different race earlier (forgot to replay) but we were two side by side safe distance between us in the last corner and here comes a "super-hero" brushing both of us apart and we both got a penalty while this hero didn't get anything. He did not stay in the racing line - the racer I was side by side with had the inner side and the proper racing line.....?

 

[SestoScudo]

In certain tracks there are corners where you are certain you have to brake and slow down but people still dive bomb and crash into you when its required to slow down and brake or it will lead to carnage. I really do question the logic of some online players.

 

[GA 52]

Today - this one and the guy continued without penalty - was that okay? I'm asking as I am wondering where do they get these rules from?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

It kinda looks like you were steering into him and he into you. I guess it was just the sports tires messing with both of you. You hit his door though, which shifts the blame towards you. Did you get a penalty for that?

I actually had a similar one in that spot a while ago

The inside car pushes the middle car into me and I got a penalty there as at the moment of impact I'm behind. Best to be on the inside in that corner.

 

[GA 52]

I got 3 seconds..... Yeah I agree it looks like it but I thought he would make it over to the right side so I VERY slightly made a move to not be too close to the corner. But in all fairness - his move imo was a little too much aggressive side...

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Indeed, I assumed he lost control for a bit yet I see it was the daily C, no sports tires.

I mistakenly entered the race thinking it was the fun Infield version. I should have known since it was only 1 lap less than the GR.2 version last Saturday. I backed out before the race started, no thanks! Instead I now have a clean streak of 6 on DT gardens while dodging cars. So many agressive drivers on. One race I went from 3rd to 10th in the first lap just avoiding dive bombs. It's either jump out of the way and let the bully go ahead or get a penalty... I passed a bunch again later while they were enjoying the wall or busy mowing the lawn.

GT Sport the real dodging simulator! Perhaps the mirror and the forward view need to be reversed, big backwards view, small front view. Seems more appropriate. Or a full screen overlay of the radar with real time predicted paths as in a pool game. That's what it sometimes feels like

 

[Macboyilija]

I can see a penalty with the red car. Remember it is a computer looking at a pre defined situation. The computer thinks he is changing lanes too much and driving “into” the other car. It is not correct of course, but it is understandable from the perspectief of a computer. Just a race incident. Not fair but not so strange.

Excellent post!! I have discovered what causes most of my frustration with GT Sport mode is driver ratings, like you suggest though it is something I'm going to stop worrying over. You dont gain anything for a high SR or DR so I'm going to quit skipping races because I am concerned it will affect my rating. Maybe racing with drivers that I need to be very cautious of will improve my skills in the long run.

How understandable it may seem, but most people are looking totally wrong at the system. The DR points (up to 75000) by all means are not intended as a ranking system. Although people understandably look at it that way because of kudosprime and all the stats.

The existence of DR is only to put you next to similar skilled drivers. Nothing more. That is the reason why PD is not showing the DR points one acquires. If you look at it by gaining DR and getting better you are not using the system as intended. And by not driving when you think you will lose DR you are only position yourself to high up the rating you create yourself. One should in fact only look at the DR E - A+ ranks.

Still, it is completely understandable because I have the same feeling. It feels human not to be wanting to lose points because the more points the better you seem. But sticking in the same points even when winning means you have reached the skill level where you belong. Not driving is not doing what the systems wants you to do.

As far as the penalty system goes: getting unfair penalty’s and downgrading your DR class is not fun. And protecting you against that by chosing some races is not a bad thing untill the penalty system is optimised. But that has not much to do with the ranking system. That is just a non perfect penalty system.

English is not my main language. So I hope I am making my point good.

 

[nutcracker33]

I was about to make a thread about this, but since OP mentioned some of it, I guess I would post it here instead .....

I can live with the stricter penalty system, I just have to be more careful and not be forceful, i get that.

But why do we get penalties for messing up alone and crashing the wall, as if falling in the back arent bad enough, we have to deal with the penalty ?

 

[GA 52]

I was about to make a thread about this, but since OP mentioned some of it, I guess I would post it here instead .....

I can live with the stricter penalty system, I just have to be more careful and not be forceful, i get that.

But why do we get penalties for messing up alone and crashing the wall, as if falling in the back arent bad enough, we have to deal with the penalty ?

I agree - but when some just fly's through you and can't stop like in Monza (1st. turn) today. Why do I get a 1 second penalty every time that happen and in addition a RED S? That is just not right, MHO.