Plane Crashes Into Building (houses the IRS) In Austin Tx

[Biggles]

I accept that you do not condone his behaviour, but I don't agree with your assessment that his ability to motivate himself is deserving of any respect or recognition

Exactly. Throughout history people haven't had a problem motivating themselves to carry out horrible actions. In this case, the action was not only horrible, it was also singularly irrational & pointless.

 

[DK]

If he wanted to protest against the IRS, just save your money in offshore accounts, where the IRS can't touch it.

 

[CTznOfTime]

"driftking", you haven't got the news??!!... Out of States hidden-money, that's where they are going after nowadays... I suggest you send your money out of space

 

[Danoff]

In this case, the action was not only horrible, it was also singularly irrational & pointless.

While I do agree that it was horrible, irrational, and pointless, this man was lashing out against unjust law. He did it in a horrible, irrational, and ultimately futile way, but I understand his motivation.

If a pre-civil war black American slave blew himself up in a federal building while taking out other innocent federal workers in an effort to protest slavery, I would say the same thing. It was horrible, it was irrational, it was pointless... and I understand his motivation.

 

[Pupik]

One word: Terrorist.

In this case, he who puts money above a living, breathing, human life is just that.

 

[Joey D]

I can't understand anyone's motivation for doing something like this. If you honestly hate the country that much that you are willing to carry out an attack on it (no matter how small) then you might want to think about moving elsewhere in the world.

 

[Dotini]

One word: Terrorist.

In this case, he who puts money above a living, breathing, human life is just that.

Normally we associate terrorists with those who put ideology or injured pride above human life.

Mercenaries are those who will take human life for a price. I actually once had a friend who went to Africa and shot people for money. Mercenaries are not terrorists, or are they?

The Supreme Court has defined a corporation as a legal entity whose money will survive a human life. Is this not a way of putting money above human life? Corporations are not terrorists, or are they?

No, I think our Austin airplane bomber should not be allowed to broaden the word terror. He was like those folks who deliberately drive their car into a bridge abutment or into a head-on collision. These folks are enraged suicidal losers who have lost all respect for life, theirs or yours. Those two guys who shot people while hiding in the trunk of their car were probably terrorists, as well as the mysterious anthrax mailer.

 

[Danoff]

One word: Terrorist.

In this case, he who puts money above a living, breathing, human life is just that.

"Taxation without representation"

Some of the most revered people in American history killed their countrymen under protest of taxation. I'm not defending this guy, I'm saying you're using too broad a brush.

 

[Joey D]

Except the guy was represented, that's why we have Congress and why we vote for our Congressmen.

 

[Danoff]

Except the guy was represented, that's why we have Congress and why we vote for our Congressmen.

A) I know
B) That doesn't change anything

 

[Earth]

So now the right wing is calling this guy a hero? Who started to beat the drum, Rush Limbaugh?

What a joke. This guy set his house on fire with his daughter and wife asleep. He planned on killing them and hundreds of innocent IRS employees.

His message, which amounts to nothing more then rants, means nothing because of the selfish and COWARDLY way he decided to take revenge upon the government.

I refuse to read even a sentence of his rant, because thats what he wanted dim witted sheep to do, so I will not fulfill this idot's wish.

 

[Danoff]

Link? Who's calling him a hero?

 

[Speedy Samurai]

Once you lose hope that things will become better, it is easy to take your own life. Once you devalue your own life, what value does someone else's have?

His act, while reprehensible, was (to him) the only way left in which he could make some kind of statement.

Cheers for challenging the system (at the beginning). Jeers for doing it so reprehensibly (at the end).

 

[darkos]

The guy was a criminal, nothing more.

 

[DK]

So now the right wing is calling this guy a hero? Who started to beat the drum, Rush Limbaugh?

I bet that if this happened during the Bush days this guy would be called a terrorist by these right-wing pundits. But seeing as the taxpayers' money is now being spent by the Democrats, the IRS have probably become the right-wing pundits' worst enemy that isn't Obama.

 

[Danoff]

I bet that if this happened during the Bush days this guy would be called a terrorist by these right-wing pundits. But seeing as the taxpayers' money is now being spent by the Democrats, the IRS have probably become the right-wing pundits' worst enemy that isn't Obama.

I'm still trying to figure out who's doing anything now.

 

[Dotini]

Here's link which puts Stack deep into a patriotic web of security and defense connections.
http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2010/02/joseph-andrew-stack-had-911-nsa-cia-and.html

But personally, I doubt it.

 

[Pupik]

"Taxation without representation"

Some of the most revered people in American history killed their countrymen under protest of taxation. I'm not defending this guy, I'm saying you're using too broad a brush.

Then I'm a painter who's a broad.

Intentionally planning an attack with intent to kill others, in the name of "freedom" is pretty close to my definition. He screwed up on his taxes before taking flight, and didn't use our legal channels to defend himself, which are also afforded to all according to the Constitution. Yeah, the IRS can be blunt in their actions, but there's a legal system to protect yourself from the zombies that are programmed by tax codes. They don't give capital punishment for owing money, last I checked. He was not threatened with death or cruel or unusual punishment, so his actions were far more irresponsible and socially unacceptable than any hardship he may have faced...basically, he took the "I don't like school, I'll burn it down"-mentality that is considered psychologically abnormal for any school-aged kid to have. I am not saying we need to stretch or bend the laws or rights of others to prevent this sort of action, but we cannot allow people to run amok with their personal agendas or problems to the extent that they can feel free to kill innocent lives in our own nation, or we potentially step closer to anarchy. I think the term is apt, in regards to this action.

Apparently, Sheppard Smith was interviewing the pilot's daughter two days ago, who [his daughter] feels he's a hero for his action. Fox News was quick to distance themselves from saying they ever felt he is a hero, to their professional credit.

 

[Duke]

This guy set his house on fire with his daughter and wife asleep. He planned on killing them and hundreds of innocent IRS employees.

Can't speak to the "hundreds of innocent IRS employees" bit, but he definitely did NOT plan on killing his wife and daughter, because they were NOT asleep in the house, they were out. In fact he specifically waited until they were gone before starting the whole process.

 

[Public'sTwin]

Intentionally planning an attack with intent to kill others, in the name of "freedom" is pretty close to my definition.

Isn't that was America was founded upon?

(Just looks like that to others.)

 

[Dotini]

There can be a thin line between a terrorist and a freedom fighter. Sometimes it depends on who won and who is writing the history.

 

[Danoff]

Intentionally planning an attack with intent to kill others, in the name of "freedom" is pretty close to my definition.

Countless heroes across mankind's history have fought and killed in the name of freedom. I would do so, and I wish every American would. I understand completely why the revolutionary war was fought, and I understand why some might want to fight another revolutionary war over the situation in America today.

This guy doesn't qualify as a freedom fighter, but he's not as far as some people are pretending.