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Robin
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It not being at E3 in one form or another is massively disappointing, could they not have brought a prototype / concept console or maybe shown some NEO mode footage? If all they are going to do is talk about a console which is now technically obsolete it's going to be kinda silly. That or it's going to be wall to wall VR talk.
My interest in the conference has gone from like 100% to 20%!
My interest in the conference has gone from like 100% to 20%!
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Well that's 40-odd million vanilla PS4s now out of date and obsolete. I hope Sony gets destroyed by the critics and disgruntled fans alike.
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Wow, salty much? I get it, you're mad that your original PS4 isn't gonna be awesome forever... But you're conveniently overlooking the fact that they clearly stated that the base-spec model will continue to be produced and sold (and yes, supported even) alongside the new one for the remainder of the PS4's lifecycle.
Is your PS4 out of date? Well yeah, duh. It was out of date the moment it hit store shelves. Is it obsolete? Not until PS5. It will be a great, cheaper alternative to the Neo that still plays all the Games™.
And with that being said... even though we won't be seeing the Neo at E3, that doesn't rule out the chance of seeing any new hardware. I think a slim base-spec PS4 at a price point of $250 isn't an unreasonable possibility.
Robin
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When the PS4 came out and I saw the price I kinda had an inkling that these were not going to last, certainly not the 10 years lifecycle the PS2 and 3 had, which is why I didn't take the plunge. The price reflected the power, which reflected the longevity. In a way it was a false economy.
And what’s worse is, judging by that interview with Andrew House, is that Sony might be planning on making this a regular thing with a base console and a refresh every 3 years with incremental releases, much like the mobile phone market. So why bother with consoles at all then? Just buy a PC! It's basically turning into a proprietary PC box.
A console should be expensive and last... like it used to be and then the formula works.
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Well, yeah... they are basically proprietary PC boxes. x86-64 architecture, PS4 runs Linux, Xbox One runs Windows... They're essentially Steam Boxes with Apple-esque walled gardens.
And since that's the case, why not release a spec-bumped model 4 years into a console's lifespan? I mean sure, it kinda sucks for the people who bought the base-spec model (myself included... trust me, I understand. Especially since I just had to buy a new PS4 because my old one crapped out), but is it really much different than a game getting a Complete Edition a few years after it originally released? As long as they stay true to their word that the mid-cycle spec bump will just visually enhance games rather than be required to make some games playable, it's not that big of a problem. Getting mad at it is like getting mad your cutting-edge GTX 1080 gets outgunned by a GTX 1080 Ti a year or few later. Sure the 1080 Ti might crush your 1080 in benchmarks, but at the end of the day you can still play all the latest games just fine.
If anything, the problem here is how console-like these consoles still are. When the PS5 drops some 3-4 years after the Neo, its games likely won't run on the PS4 or Neo even if they reasonably could. Imagine being told you had to upgrade your graphics card and CPU to play a new game, even if your old hardware could theoretically still muster playable framerates (albeit at lower graphics settings)?
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Would be possible if Sony made an external box that you could connect to your PS4
and therefore enhance the performance to run 4K?
I mean laptops have that feature, would it be possible for a console?
and therefore enhance the performance to run 4K?
I mean laptops have that feature, would it be possible for a console?
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Like an external GPU?
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Yeah, with other probably needed bits.
(not a tech expert, btw)
(not a tech expert, btw)
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So Microsoft gets a pass? Pretty sure they are working on a system too.
Lain
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One idea, though one I don't particularly care for, is allowing cloud computing to make up for the differential in power between the two models. As long as it's optional though, I guess I'd be fine with it.
It would be interesting to see how that pans out. Though it could potentially set a dangerous precedent for those who like to play offline... if the people with the $$$ to frivolously spend on an upgraded model instead choose to just utilize the cloud computing option on their existing consoles (since they presumably can also afford quality internet service), then it might lead to a future where games requiring always-on internet connections is seen as being much more acceptable.
It would be interesting to see how that pans out. Though it could potentially set a dangerous precedent for those who like to play offline... if the people with the $$$ to frivolously spend on an upgraded model instead choose to just utilize the cloud computing option on their existing consoles (since they presumably can also afford quality internet service), then it might lead to a future where games requiring always-on internet connections is seen as being much more acceptable.
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In addition to console makers being spooked about the track record of external add ons crucially Sony didn't plan ahead for this, the PS4 doesn't have an AUX port capable of plumbing in something as complex as an external GPU. The AUX port is purely for the PS Camera and can't accommodate anything other than a peripheral.
In the 90's all consoles had very capable aux ports but manufacturers started removing them because it made hacking very easy. By the late PS1 and PS2 models there were all gone.
Lain
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Pretty much what Robin said.
I mean, hypothetically they could perhaps come up with a clever way to use the HDMI as an aux port. But despite having about twice the throughput of USB 3.0, I don't know if even that would cut it. Even if it would, I doubt they'd invest the effort into trying to make such a crazy solution work.
In short, don't count on it.
I mean, hypothetically they could perhaps come up with a clever way to use the HDMI as an aux port. But despite having about twice the throughput of USB 3.0, I don't know if even that would cut it. Even if it would, I doubt they'd invest the effort into trying to make such a crazy solution work.
In short, don't count on it.
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Sweet. Definitely trading in the old PS4 when this arrives. Imagine the new one will cost around $399 and the current one reduced to around $249. Will sell my old one on ebay for $200. Nice upgrade.
Oh and Sony, please put a USB port(s) on the back of this console. Cheers.
Robin
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I think it was pretty cocky of Sony to think that they didn't need to release a hardware revision to equal the Xbox One S. How are they going to compete for the next year and a half with the PS4 as it is at a higher price? Lots of people will buy the One S because it is the cheapest UHD player on the market by miles!
Unless the Neo releases this year (which it likely won't) they are going to find it hard to stop the slew of Xbox One S purchases and by the time the Scorpio has rolled around MS might have retaken this generations lead.
The One S is basically a gateway drug to the Scorpio and Sony needs to keep people loyal to Playstation before the Neo yet they don't have an equivalent.
Unless the Neo releases this year (which it likely won't) they are going to find it hard to stop the slew of Xbox One S purchases and by the time the Scorpio has rolled around MS might have retaken this generations lead.
The One S is basically a gateway drug to the Scorpio and Sony needs to keep people loyal to Playstation before the Neo yet they don't have an equivalent.
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I'm not so sure, not with the pricing for the bigger and harder versions being so much higher. $299 is only for the 500Gb version minus controller and stand. Okay, it is 4K compatible, but there again so would the TV need to be.
UK Xbox One S pricing has been confirmed. The 2TB launch edition will cost £349/€399; the 1TB edition £299/€349; and the 500GB edition £249/€299.
Robin
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But the Xbox One S includes the stand and controller for the price.
The official PS4 UK price is still £299, for £50 less you will be getting a system with a UHD Drive (worth £400) which is also a games console and it even plays 360 games! It's a massively tempting proposition.
Also quite a few people have 4K TV's already, even if you don't there is a picture improvement even if you are using a 1080p set as described in this video.
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Most of the 4K TV's that people own are likely too small for the added resolution to actually matter, and are cheap models where you could get a 1080P TV with better image quality. The improvement that he talks about in the video is entirely insignificant for anyone not looking for it, and certainly doesn't warrant the price of a new console. Don't get me wrong, it seems like a natural step to add in a UHD player in the slimline models of the existing consoles. but it won't be a serious selling point as the UHD Blu-Ray library is still very small.
I agree that the relatively low price is interesting though.
Robin
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I was thinking more about the people who haven't chosen a side yet. Many haven't bought a current gen console and at this point MS is offering a better proposition than Sony. I feel that Sony thinks it already has a large enough user base to take it easy for a while whereas MS has been trying very hard to make up for the disastrous One launch for the past 3 years.
Regarding the 4K on 1080p thing I have a mid range 50" Plasma and 4K content really does look noticeably better even if you don't go looking for it, especially the colour. I guess on smaller sets or maybe LCD you might not see as big a difference.
Wow, I didn't think anyone would ever sell a console without a controller! At the press conference putting up an image of the console with a controller next to it and a $299 price tag was slightly misleading. I guess if you then add £30 for the controller it brings it in line with what a PS4 can be had for. Still, getting a UHD player is a big bonus.
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Judging by the comments under that poster's tweet, it does look like the controller comes with the console, even though MS themselves suggested it wouldn't (and that indeed is bad wording) A Windows 10 compatible controller though will need to be bought separately - maybe therein lies the source of the confusion.
I'll stick with my first-gen PS4 though, as the phrase 'may run better' keeps cropping up in their advertising about games running on the new slim.
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I starting to think it does indeed come with the controller and the confusion as you said came from the Win 10 controller. Stores are taking preorders for the 500GB and none allude to the fact it doesn't come with the controller. All have the controller pictured which would be breeching some sort of false advertising / sale of goods act if it was true. The 500GB is selling for £230! The PS4 should really be lowered to £200.
Sony had the perfect opportunity to launch a new 4K SKU alongside Playstation VR, really silly move IMO.
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I think they did the smart thing actually. Microsoft have killed the Xbox by making all games coming to Windows10 and announcing Xbone slim and Scorpio in the same event. Why get a Xbone when you can get 4times more powerful gfx chip in Scorpio next year. That was another dumbest move they did.
PS4 Neo will come this year with same 4K support like the Xbone slim I think and will definitely get a price drop when Scorpio is released. Microsoft I think will stop the support for Xbone if they want to take advantage of Scorpio. Sony will support PS4 and PS4 Neo which is the right thing to do. There is time for PS5 when the technology is available to get both 4K and 60fps at affordable price. Most people still use 1080P TV
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