Points differ from Race to Table?

[Tidgney]

Hey all,

Curious question and the only reason I spotted it was due to the very large difference in points... but round 1 of Nations cup this week the race indicated that I got 1,941 points... however when I've just checked now I only got 1,568 points. I've checked another player in that race they indicated to have got 1,021 but were only given 627?

Is there a bug in the system somewhere? 373 points is substantial and the other player lost even more at 394?

Yesterdays results were fine as I've just checked so seems extremely odd?

Any help appreciated as always !

 

[Robben]

Really odd... considering it is an FIA competition I would contact PD for clarity. Could be important for when the season starts.

 

[Famine]

Yesterdays results were fine as I've just checked so seems extremely odd?

Did anybody - particularly anybody with a high DR - quit or fall out?

The post-race screen uses data from the initial matchmaking, with a full grid. The FIA tables use data from the race finish. I've not checked this out before but my original data suggests that the points could fall if a high-ranking player was in the initial matchmaking, but not in the results.

 

[Robben]

Makes sense

 

[Tidgney]

Did anybody - particularly anybody with a high DR - quit or fall out?

The post-race screen uses data from the initial matchmaking, with a full grid. The FIA tables use data from the race finish. I've not checked this out before but my original data suggests that the points could fall if a high-ranking player was in the initial matchmaking, but not in the results.

Interesting 4 people instant left/crashed on load, literally warm up 1:59 these 4 had left in this order;

• Player A - Ranked 5th S/S
• Player B - Ranked 19th A/S
• Player C - Ranked 18th A/S
• Player D - Ranked 7th S/S

Seems a bit unfair to punish those in the lobby with those that left/crashed?

Not sure how you would get round this as surely in 1 aspect a team could abuse another team by joining a lobby then all purposefully dcing once they see who's in/left causing perhaps another player to lose a significant amount of points? Likewise I can see the other side of it of a team making sure their driver had the potential to maximise their points, but at least that could be spotted? Just seems a tad unfair..

Does this crash/leave affect DR?

edit: Surely the 2 S drivers should get evened out by the 2 lower drivers leaving ?

 

[eAxis Patohm]

very strange, since i guess that you also gain DR for Players who disconnect - diconnected Players will lose a lot of DR, like they got Place 18/19/20.

It only makes since, if they can not connect to the Server in the beginning, so These guys can still race in another race. Points for the other Players should not be awarded then. If they disconnect in the Game and they get "0" Points, all the Players should be awarded with the Points of the quitting/disconnected Player...

 

[mclarenLB]

I have never encountered this once as a heavy FIA player, My points have always matched up correctly, so to me this is a really strange anomaly...

I was wondering why someone as fast as you ended up with only 1500pts in that first round! I'll be keeping an eye out for this, will report back if I find anything.

QUICK EDIT: In response to "Was it caused by people leaving?": At least one person leaves FIA races in progress almost all the time, and I have never once see it effect the points.

 

[Twissy]

I had exactly the same situation in my FIA race yesterday.. said I got 2200 or something like that, actually turned out to be 2096 or something like that

 

[Famine]

QUICK EDIT: In response to "Was it caused by people leaving?": At least one person leaves FIA races in progress almost all the time, and I have never once see it effect the points.

If it's a low-ranked player, it wouldn't. If it's a high-ranked player, it could.

FIA points are basically calculated from the aggregate DR rankings of the lobby (not the raw values, but a figure based on the raw values). The winner gets about 10% of the points, rolling down 0.5% for each position (2nd gets 9.5%, 3rd gets 9% and so on; last gets nothing).

If a player with a poor DR leaves, it won't affect the points that much - their contribution to the points pool is minimal. If a player with a high DR leaves, it will.

 

[Tidgney]

Hmmm very interesting, I'll have to go through some of my race footage and find where 1 person left and what points I got. I don't feel like you should be discounted points for a player leaving/crashing. In fact I'm pretty sure that previously when players have crashed they haven't been able to enter another lobby that night so for me the initial lobby strength should be what is judged. Feels like a whole lobby is punished for something out of their control. Especially when the official competition starts imagine being that guy say 25th (If it's a top 24 superstar) who missed about by 100 points because somebody left the lobby?

This could be even worse for example say I join a race with a player who I'm not particular fond of for 1 reason and or another and I get hit off so I leave. That player (As I have high DR) could get hit with a massive reduction with minimal impact to me in the grand scheme of it? Now personally I'd never do that but I guarantee there are other players out there that would who have huge DR.

 

[Robben]

I would imagine it is for disconnections as opposed to crash and quit.

Also, on the subject of re-entry, I entered an FIA race last week and after matching, I got the blue screen.. could not enter again. Which to me is unfair on me.. you see it works both ways.

 

[mclarenLB]

If it's a low-ranked player, it wouldn't. If it's a high-ranked player, it could.

FIA points are basically calculated from the aggregate DR rankings of the lobby (not the raw values, but a figure based on the raw values). The winner gets about 10% of the points, rolling down 0.5% for each position (2nd gets 9.5%, 3rd gets 9% and so on; last gets nothing).

If a player with a poor DR leaves, it won't affect the points that much - their contribution to the points pool is minimal. If a player with a high DR leaves, it will.

Its worth mentioning that just because I haven't noticed it doesn't mean this isn't a thing, I could just be a moron after all. Will be paying more attention to points payouts tomorrow onwards.

 

[GTWelsh]

If it's a low-ranked player, it wouldn't. If it's a high-ranked player, it could.

FIA points are basically calculated from the aggregate DR rankings of the lobby (not the raw values, but a figure based on the raw values). The winner gets about 10% of the points, rolling down 0.5% for each position (2nd gets 9.5%, 3rd gets 9% and so on; last gets nothing).

If a player with a poor DR leaves, it won't affect the points that much - their contribution to the points pool is minimal. If a player with a high DR leaves, it will.

How does DR ever drop then? I always thought beating your DR rank in the lobby increases and finishing below your rank decreases. That to me is a pretty simple and effective method of doing it.

 

[Famine]

How does DR ever drop then? I always thought beating your DR rank in the lobby increases and finishing below your rank decreases. That to me is a pretty simple and effective method of doing it.

FIA Points scoring and DR are different things.

 

[Robben]

FIA Points scoring and DR are different things.

But you said that the points are calculated as an aggregate of DR points... so they are linked still?

 

[Famine]

But you said that the points are calculated as an aggregate of DR points... so they are linked still?

I'm not sure why there's any confusion here.

FIA points are awarded in FIA races only. They are always positive, or zero - you can never lose FIA points. FIA points are calculated based on the combined totals of the DR points of all of the drivers in an FIA lobby, with the winner scoring ~10% of the total (decreasing by roughly 0.5% for each position after that). The higher the combined DR score, the more points you can win, and the result only depends on your finishing position.

DR points change in every Sport Mode race. They can be positive or negative (or zero, I guess; never seen it, but they could be) - you can gain or lose DR. They are calculated by an arcane formula where each driver contributes the same number of points and they are reassigned according to where you finish compared to where the game thinks you should finish. The net change in DR points in any Sport Mode lobby is always zero - the people who gain DR gain the same amount as the people who lose DR lose.


Your DR change for an FIA lobby is calculated in exactly the same way as any other Sport Mode race. FIA points have zero effect on DR score.

 

[Robben]

I'm not sure why there's any confusion here.

FIA points are awarded in FIA races only. They are always positive, or zero - you can never lose FIA points. FIA points are calculated based on the combined totals of the DR points of all of the drivers in an FIA lobby, with the winner scoring ~10% of the total (decreasing by roughly 0.5% for each position after that). The higher the combined DR score, the more points you can win, and the result only depends on your finishing position.

DR points change in every Sport Mode race. They can be positive or negative (or zero, I guess; never seen it, but they could be) - you can gain or lose DR. They are calculated by an arcane formula where each driver contributes the same number of points and they are reassigned according to where you finish compared to where the game thinks you should finish. The net change in DR points in any Sport Mode lobby is always zero - the people who gain DR gain the same amount as the people who lose DR lose.


Your DR change for an FIA lobby is calculated in exactly the same way as any other Sport Mode race. FIA points have zero effect on DR score.

The confusion is that you say the FIA points (whilst separate to Driver Ranking) are actually calculated based on Driver Ranking. It looked as if you were saying that the FIA points work the same as DR points.

Edit: which is now clarified...

 

[Famine]

The confusion is that you say the FIA points (whilst separate to Driver Ranking) are actually calculated based on Driver Ranking. It looked as if you were saying that the FIA points work the same as DR points.

I never mentioned how DR points work... I just explained how FIA points work:

FIA points are basically calculated from the aggregate DR rankings of the lobby (not the raw values, but a figure based on the raw values). The winner gets about 10% of the points, rolling down 0.5% for each position (2nd gets 9.5%, 3rd gets 9% and so on; last gets nothing).

 

[GTWelsh]

FIA Points scoring and DR are different things.

Sorry quite right, brain fart!