[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[Sanji Himura]

Sorry, when I was talking about the "anti-Washington" element of the Tea Party, I should have added on "establishment" to that. I didn't mean that they wanted to abolish the federal government.

I knew what you meant. I had to correct the misconception out there.

 

[Danoff]

Why? Our lawmakers and citizens say unfavorable things about them too, so maybe we should refrain from calling the kettle black. If they are complying with disarming their nuclear program, who cares what they chant in the streets?

"Unfavorable" is an interesting stretch to try to put us on even ground.

We didn't "give" them anything. I assume that you're referring to the $1.7 billion settlement that was agreed to a couple of days ago? If so, that's us finally returning $400 million (plus interest) to Iran that they had given us in the 1970s to purchase arms that we never actually delivered. Shortly after they gave us that money, relations soured, and we froze the funds.

"Relations soured" is an interesting way of putting it.

 

[Tornado]

Roosevelt's speech would have been so much easier to remember in high school if he just said "Yesterday, December 7, 1941, US-Japanese relations soured."

 

[Famine]

Heavens, if that wasn't Tina Fey and it actually was Sarah Palin, satire and indeed Poe's Law is done.

 

[huskeR32]

"Unfavorable" is an interesting stretch to try to put us on even ground.

I wasn't suggesting that things were "even," nor do I think that particularly matters; I don't think we should make foreign policy decision based upon who hurts our feeling the most, or calls us the worst names.

And I'll ask you the same thing that I asked Sanji earlier - If the "Death to America" thing is really something that we should be concerned about, if it's somehow an actual threat to our safety, why is that a reason to back away from the agreement? Shouldn't that threat make us more motivated to disarm them?

"Relations soured" is an interesting way of putting it.

Is it? I can't imagine what alternate message you think I'm trying to convey. Relations with Iran worsened, deteriorated, cooled, etc. Which word would meet with your approval?

 

[Danoff]

I wasn't suggesting that things were "even,"

Huh...

so maybe we should refrain from calling the kettle black

And I'll ask you the same thing that I asked Sanji earlier - If the "Death to America" thing is really something that we should be concerned about, if it's somehow an actual threat to our safety, why is that a reason to back away from the agreement? Shouldn't that threat make us more motivated to disarm them?

This seems like a better line of argument than your pot-kettle-black comment.

Is it? I can't imagine what alternate message you think I'm trying to convey. Relations with Iran worsened, deteriorated, cooled, etc. Which word would meet with your approval?

Well, relations soured implies a degree that wouldn't justify any changes to or premature termination of a contract. There are plenty of other words that can be used to describe an adversarial relationship.

 

[A2K78]

I wonder how many of these clueless celebrities are aware that they are supporting a warmonger/crony capitalist e.g. Bush 2.0

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...-whos-backing-her_us_55a926ace4b0896514d1202f


http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/these-celebrities-have-endorsed-hillary-clinton-for-president

 

[Swagger897]

The amount of times I had to watch her on the debate saying "Bernie Sanders is going to take away ObamaCare" and Bernie coming back with (not exactly) "I wrote the damn thing woman" was beyond belief...

 

[Dennisch]

The amount of times I had to watch her on the debate saying "Bernie Sanders is going to take away ObamaCare" and Bernie coming back with (not exactly) "I wrote the damn thing woman" was beyond belief...

American politics focuses more on throwing **** at the other candidates than actually praising their own campaign.

 

[Swagger897]

Well that's more than apparent as ever, but the fact that she continually said that and Lester did nothing along the lines of "I think we've established that, Hillary"

 

[CodeRedR51]

American politics focuses more on throwing **** at the other candidates than actually praising their own campaign.

This is where Bernie is a breath of fresh air.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The amount of times I had to watch her on the debate saying "Bernie Sanders is going to take away ObamaCare" and Bernie coming back with (not exactly) "I wrote the damn thing woman" was beyond belief...

Since taking the mantle of being the party of "old white people" away from the Republicans I can't watch any of their debates. Did Bernie really say, "I wrote the damn thing woman" or are you just paraphrasing?

In other news: http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-server-classified-ig-report/index.html

Two government agencies flagged emails on Clinton's server as containing classified information, the inspector general said, including some on "special access programs," which are a subset of the highest "Top Secret" level of classification, but are under subject to more stringent control rules than even other Top Secret information."

 

[Swagger897]

Heavy paraphrasing, but I'm for sure that's what he thought of...
Here are the minute marks:
32:36-he says he's on the committee
34:10-she says he'll rip it up
34:22-he says no one is tearing it up
34:55-I helped write it (this is where he got mad a bit)


After that I just went to bed... wasn't worth it.. Watching some more of it now.

 

[BobK]

In other news: http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-server-classified-ig-report/index.html

HRC is claiming that he's part of a "vast right-wing conspiracy". Where have I heard that before?

 

[CodeRedR51]

Movin' on up.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/polit...rump-ted-cruz0918PMVODtopLink&linkId=20561411

 

[Swagger897]

Movin' on up.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/polit...rump-ted-cruz0918PMVODtopLink&linkId=20561411

lol, MOE for republicans just show how futile Trump's claims are, while Sanders has legitimate standing over Hilary.

 

[ukfan758]

It amazes me how quickly some of the conservative talk radio sect change sides when it comes to their favorite candidates. Probably one of the most extreme, Mark Levin, started out hating trump, to loving him, to hating Trump again claiming he's "not conservative" due to his stance on ethanol subsidies, to defending Cruz all the time.

 

[Sanji Himura]

According to Gallup, Presidential approval is as tightest as it has ever been with 47% approve of his performance and 48% disapprove.

On the CNN poll, while that has been a dynamic shift to Sanders, it should be worth noting that according to the other poll released today, a poll from KBUR, Hillary still has a nine point lead over Sanders. Is it going down? Absolutely, but it isn't as drastic as CNN is making it out to be.

It amazes me how quickly some of the conservative talk radio sect change sides when it comes to their favorite candidates. Probably one of the most extreme, Mark Levin, started out hating trump, to loving him, to hating Trump again claiming he's "not conservative" due to his stance on ethanol subsidies, to defending Cruz all the time.

There is such a thing as liking a person for certain policies, but not others. Glenn Beck, who I make a point to listen to in the mornings, hates Rubio for his immigration policies, but he became convinced that Rubio will beat Hillary saying, "he will make [her] look like a 1000 year old dinosaur." Not two sentences later, he endorsed him as a solid number two pick (presumably behind Ted Cruz). Levin's love/hate relationship on Trump is probably the same thing.

 

[Swagger897]

while that has been a dynamic shift to Sanders

but it isn't as drastic as CNN is making it out to be.

What are you talking about? For the past weeks/months Sanders has been gaining ground on Hilary.. This didn't just come out from left field.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It amazes me how quickly some of the conservative talk radio sect change sides when it comes to their favorite candidates. Probably one of the most extreme, Mark Levin, started out hating trump, to loving him, to hating Trump again claiming he's "not conservative" due to his stance on ethanol subsidies, to defending Cruz all the time.

Yes, no one should ever be allowed to change their opinion once a campaign is underway.

 

[Swagger897]

Yes, no one should ever be allowed to change their opinion once a campaign is underway.

I think he's talking more or less about the indecisiveness within the same paragraphs of their thought, as if they totally forgot about what they just said..

 

[squadops]

It's best to back a candidate based on their overall morals; ideology, well over a specific subject. Vote so you don't have to worry every little thing 👍

That being said to me, I have no representation

 

[ukfan758]

Yes, no one should ever be allowed to change their opinion once a campaign is underway.

Read the below statement.

I think he's talking more or less about the indecisiveness within the same paragraphs of their thought, as if they totally forgot about what they just said..

 

[squadops]

Indecisiveness can be god forbid, licking your finger and waving it around, or it can be... pragmatic.

 

[Sanji Himura]

What are you talking about? For the past weeks/months Sanders has been gaining ground on Hilary.. This didn't just come out from left field.

No, it certainly hasn't, and any New Hampshire polling would prove that, but this is in Iowa, where Hillary has been maintaining double digit leads for months on end. Here is the previous CNN poll that proves it:

Dates: 11/28/2015 to 12/6/2015
Clinton: 54%
Sanders: 36%
O'Malley: 4%
Margin of Error: 4.5%
Spread: Clinton +18

Now you don't go on a 26 point tilt for Sanders in a little over a month with nothing, heck, even the current RCP Averages still show that Hillary has a 3.1 point lead over Sanders.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think he's talking more or less about the indecisiveness within the same paragraphs of their thought, as if they totally forgot about what they just said..

Can you show me where Levin changed his mind within the same paragraph?

 

[Swagger897]

Can you show me where Levin changed his mind within the same paragraph?

That's not what I'm defending. You had the idea wrong that he was talking about someones' morals and beliefs change only once new information is released/learned about a particular person, rather than the actual point of someone who can't properly put words together that makes sense...

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just pointing out what you got wrong.

 

[Johnnypenso]

That's not what I'm defending. You had the idea wrong that he was talking about someones' morals and beliefs change only once new information is released/learned about a particular person, rather than the actual point of someone who can't properly put words together that makes sense...

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just pointing out what you got wrong.

Show me where Levin can't put words together that make sense then.

 

[Swagger897]

That's not what I'm saying and you know it.

 

[Johnnypenso]

That's not what I'm saying and you know it.

rather than the actual point of someone who can't properly put words together that makes sense...