Polyphony Digital Spotted Recording Super GT Lexus RC F

[TS050]

It's not an issue in isolation, but PD feeding consumers newish cars only after they've been replaced is a trend they've developed recently. The RC F GT500 is new enough, sure, but that the LC500 is replacing it is well documented and PD should have pushed for that instead. Having the newest cars adds to the topical attractiveness of the game and adds to the immersion, which may not matter to you but it does matter for some of us. PD can do better in this regard and their game planning comes across as lazy (or at least inflexible).

Though, as SlipZtrEm pointed out, perhaps complaining about elements of situational immersion are a moot point with mixing classes and Vision GTs abound.
Mr. Strawman, we are talking about car selection and licensing, not replays. This isn't game vs game, I'm using AC as an example to help illustrate my dissatisfaction with a certain element of PD's operation, nothing more. Get your belligerence and baiting out of here.

I'm pretty sure a lot of games nowadays include the previous car when the its replaced for a new one. Take the Toyota TS040 in Project Cars; that came out after it was announced that the TS050 would be unveiled soon. It's really not GT doing these things.

 

[SagarisGTB]

I'm pretty sure a lot of games nowadays include the previous car when the its replaced for a new one. Take the Toyota TS040 in Project Cars; that came out after it was announced that the TS050 would be unveiled soon. It's really not GT doing these things.

I don't mean to say that it doesn't occur with other games as well, just that PD seems to be doing this very often recently (GT6 and what we know for the upcoming GT Sport) and I'd like to expect more from a studio with PD's standing, resources and car manufacturer relationships.

 

[SVX]

I'm pretty sure a lot of games nowadays include the previous car when the its replaced for a new one. Take the Toyota TS040 in Project Cars; that came out after it was announced that the TS050 would be unveiled soon. It's really not GT doing these things.

The difference is Project CARS does not have the development resource Polyphony Digital has - a developer with very close ties to the Japanese manufacture industry as well as Super GT, should understandably be able to provide more recent content than a relatively small English situated business with their first standalone title.

Then again, Polyphony Digital not taking advantage of resource is hardly new.

 

[Suzumiya]

Let's hope it at least doesn't get beaten by GT3 cars like it did in GT6. That was really dumb.

 

[Samus]

I'm pretty sure a lot of games nowadays include the previous car when the its replaced for a new one. Take the Toyota TS040 in Project Cars; that came out after it was announced that the TS050 would be unveiled soon. It's really not GT doing these things.

Problem is the current GTS line-up doesn't have the new replacement for most models, not yet at least.

2010 Peugeot 908 (Only one newer 2011 car since they pulled out, but still)
2011 Audi R18 (Seriously outdated, completely different car today)
2011 BMW Z4 GT3 (It evolved quite a bit since then and is now replaced by the M6)
2011 SLS AMG (We've got the AMG GT now, where is it?)
2012 V12 Vantage (4 years old)
2012 Toyota TS030 (Same as the R18, very outdated and not much like the TS050)
2013 GT-R (I'm not sure how much this has changed in 3 years but presumably it has somewhat)
2013 458 GT3 (Great to finally have a GT3 Ferrari but why an old one? The 488 GT3 is here now)

Then we do have the 2015 R8 LMS, 650S and R.S. 01. Three up to date real world race cars, 8 old ones.

Since I posted that we have now seen the M6, the rest still stands.

 

[GordonS]

Mr. Strawman, we are talking about car selection and licensing, not replays. This isn't game vs game, I'm using AC as an example to help illustrate my dissatisfaction with a certain element of PD's operation, nothing more. Get your belligerence and baiting out of here.

The negative game vs game was evident in your post. I just used the replay comparison as an example to help illustrate it out, nothing more.

 

[azeeza]

Shame we don't get the New Lexus LC500 2017 model

That orgie sound

 

[queleuleu]

Maybe it's not as easy as we think. GT3 cars are everywhere and not confidential whereas GT500 cars are a little bit more secret. If Poly want to have a faithful reproduction of this car, the car has to be outdated to avoid any confidential issues.
A good article from Speedhunters : http://www.speedhunters.com/2015/05/a-gt500-racer-in-detail/

"Some rather stringent requests came with accepting this sort of shoot. First of all I had exactly five minutes to do the whole shoot in. Secondly, I had to agree not to show anything in the engine bay or at the rear of the chassis which would reveal suspension solutions/settings to competing teams. In fact, if I was to be very unprofessional and show even a snapshot of say, the carbon fiber air intake that sits on top of the engine, the team would get penalised by the manufacturer."

But I agree the Poly roaster is very outdated (even more their LMP1s...)

 

[Farushi]

I think the real problem is that most race cars get dated really fast. Even if PD had modelled all the 2016 LMP1 cars they would already be old news by the time GTS releases and people would be asking for the 2017 ones instead.

And since every car takes 6 months to do (maybe even more now) they can't afford to keep modelling multiple versions of the same cars. This is what they were trying to do with Nascar in GT5/6, we got all the 2010, 2011 and 2013 models and who even cares about those cars now?

 

[Samus]

I think the real problem is that most race cars get dated really fast. Even if PD had modelled all the 2016 LMP1 cars they would already be old news by the time GTS releases and people would be asking for the 2017 ones instead.

And since every car takes 6 months to do (maybe even more now) they can't afford to keep modelling multiple versions of the same cars. This is what they were trying to do with Nascar in GT5/6, we got all the 2010, 2011 and 2013 models and who even cares about those cars now?

As per my list though, they certainly could be a lot closer to today, if you bear in mind the original release date. The 2011 Audi R18 is just flat out old in modern racing terms. At the absolute least they should've had the 2015 e-tron ready, if not the 2016 model. pCARS had the 2015 car released in July 2015, PD should've got it done by November 2016.

 

[Tajima]

Some of us consider newer racing cars a priority but it's quite difficoult pretending them knowing PD development times.
iRacing doesn't have 2017 models everywhere but people still race online, just relax and have fun with what we get.
New content is new content regardless real life age of the simulated car.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The negative game vs game was evident in your post. I just used the replay comparison as an example to help illustrate it out, nothing more.

The point made was relevant to the topic...yours is not. That's the difference, nothing more.

 

[trustjab]

It's not an issue in isolation, but PD feeding consumers newish cars only after they've been replaced is a trend they've developed recently. The RC F GT500 is new enough, sure, but that the LC500 is replacing it is well documented and PD should have pushed for that instead. Having the newest cars adds to the topical attractiveness of the game and adds to the immersion, which may not matter to you but it does matter for some of us. PD can do better in this regard and their game planning comes across as lazy (or at least inflexible).

Though, as SlipZtrEm pointed out, perhaps complaining about elements of situational immersion are a moot point with mixing classes and Vision GTs abound.
Mr. Strawman, we are talking about car selection and licensing, not replays. This isn't game vs game, I'm using AC as an example to help illustrate my dissatisfaction with a certain element of PD's operation, nothing more. Get your belligerence and baiting out of here.

Kinda hard to get access to the LC GT500 since it's not even racing yet. Then trying to get it's physics would be even harder since the car is in development still. So if it does come, I don't expect it to be for a while. The RC F otoh is on it's way out but they just finished it's career a couple weeks ago. Still pretty new if you ask me.

 

[ImaRobot]

Kinda hard to get access to the LC GT500 since it's not even racing yet. Then trying to get it's physics would be even harder since the car is in development still. So if it does come, I don't expect it to be for a while. The RC F otoh is on it's way out but they just finished it's career a couple weeks ago. Still pretty new if you ask me.

Are you implying each and every car has its own physics built around it rather than every car working with the same physics? That sounds extremely odd.

 

[azeeza]

Are you implying each and every car has its own physics built around it rather than every car working with the same physics? That sounds extremely odd.

He talk about behaviour of the car, improving setting until the new race season, so PD have to follow the program to use the right setting on the game

About Rcf, it better get that than the Sc430

 

[The Chosen One]

Are they sure it wasn't just a Dyson prototype?

 

[NRG MBL59]

Considering GT3 for example homologation lasts for 7 years after the homologation papers being completed I think having a year old GT500 isn't the worst thing ever.....

 

[05XR8]

As per my list though, they certainly could be a lot closer to today, if you bear in mind the original release date. The 2011 Audi R18 is just flat out old in modern racing terms. At the absolute least they should've had the 2015 e-tron ready, if not the 2016 model. pCARS had the 2015 car released in July 2015, PD should've got it done by November 2016.

Still makes me think of the 6 month car build situation. What were the first cars to start getting modelled? How many modellers on how many cars at one time? Are PD modelling 10 cars every 6 months? Only cars I can think of that PD may be handed befor they come out, are GT-Rs and Corvettes.

 

[twitcher]

This thread makes my head hurt.

Whoever suggested a GT500 car could be mixed in with GT3 cars needs to be beaten behind the woodshed lol. GT500s lap about 10 to 20+ seconds a lap faster than GT3 cars...that's why GT500 is GT500, and GT3 cars race in GT300. If the person would have proposed putting the GT500 in the same class as the half decade old LMP1 cars, then yes, that might be viable....but GT3? Bro do you even SuperGT?

As far as people wishing for any of the brand new 2017 spec GT500 cars, keep dreaming....at least if you want an accurately modelled car. For Toyota, Nissan and Honda, Super GT is serious business, especially the aero development (as its one of the only non-control areas on the car). None of the manufacturers are about to let a bunch of guys from PD with cameras and recording devices pour over their brand new car.

Last year at the first Fuji race, Dino from Speed Hunters did a story about one of the GT500 Lexus. Lexus provided him with an "escort" to shor him what was ok to shoot and what wasn't - nearly the entire rear end below the top of the boot lid was off limits.....and this was at Round 2, not in December of the previous year.

So if you are ok with a basic representation of a 2017 Super GT Lexus, then maybe we could get one. But an accurate model, like we've come to expect from PD...with the way Super GT operates, I doubt PD would get access.

 

[NRG MBL59]

Exactly that, 2016 SGT is about the best we can expect and there is no way PD in their right mind would balance GT500s against Gr.3.

 

[05XR8]

PD would get access to those cars. We'd get the Big Three 2017 GT500 cars. May take us til 2020 to get them( ahem '11 HSV in 2014?), but we'd get those "brand new" cars.

 

[Robbks]

With NO sign of GT500 (or GR.2) in the advertising ANYWHERE,
Why are we banging on about it?

The problem with series like GT500 (Super GT), DTM, V8 Super-Cars, etc is that they are either built around a "Control" Chassis, or are fully Customised/ purpose built Chassis'.
Then you just hang some panels on them that look vaguely like the road-going version of the car.

I feel the point of Past GT's and GT Sport is to give us the chance to drive the publicly available (Or easily conceivable as such) models from our favorite manufacturers.

I can literally walk into McLaren with a handful of notes and buy a 650s GT3.

(Yes I know Gr.1 is the same, not a road car, but that's a different kettle of fish at the fast end of the scale. )

We don't need more cars that are custom built by each different race-team

 

[NRG MBL59]

We haven't seen everything advertised (we know there's 150 cars at launch but have we seen them all? nope) and if we were to take what's been shown off tracks wise as what we're getting people are going to be very bored very quickly.

You can buy a GT500 from one of the manufacturers if you've got the required excess of coin btw, they're not as custom built as you think....

 

[Sharpie]

This thread makes my head hurt.

Whoever suggested a GT500 car could be mixed in with GT3 cars needs to be beaten behind the woodshed lol. GT500s lap about 10 to 20+ seconds a lap faster than GT3 cars...that's why GT500 is GT500, and GT3 cars race in GT300. If the person would have proposed putting the GT500 in the same class as the half decade old LMP1 cars, then yes, that might be viable....but GT3? Bro do you even SuperGT?

As far as people wishing for any of the brand new 2017 spec GT500 cars, keep dreaming....at least if you want an accurately modelled car. For Toyota, Nissan and Honda, Super GT is serious business, especially the aero development (as its one of the only non-control areas on the car). None of the manufacturers are about to let a bunch of guys from PD with cameras and recording devices pour over their brand new car.

Last year at the first Fuji race, Dino from Speed Hunters did a story about one of the GT500 Lexus. Lexus provided him with an "escort" to shor him what was ok to shoot and what wasn't - nearly the entire rear end below the top of the boot lid was off limits.....and this was at Round 2, not in December of the previous year.

So if you are ok with a basic representation of a 2017 Super GT Lexus, then maybe we could get one. But an accurate model, like we've come to expect from PD...with the way Super GT operates, I doubt PD would get access.

Beaten behind the woodshed hahaha good 1

 

[05XR8]

With NO sign of GT500 (or GR.2) in the advertising ANYWHERE,
Why are we banging on about it?

The problem with series like GT500 (Super GT), DTM, V8 Super-Cars, etc is that they are either built around a "Control" Chassis, or are fully Customised/ purpose built Chassis'.
Then you just hang some panels on them that look vaguely like the road-going version of the car.

I feel the point of Past GT's and GT Sport is to give us the chance to drive the publicly available (Or easily conceivable as such) models from our favorite manufacturers.

I can literally walk into McLaren with a handful of notes and buy a 650s GT3.

(Yes I know Gr.1 is the same, not a road car, but that's a different kettle of fish at the fast end of the scale. )

We don't need more cars that are custom built by each different race-team

Super GT(JGTC) has been in every GT. Even before the WRC cars. Why would they not be in the game? A GT Sport(s) game at that! Those are real cars from some people's favorite manufacturers.
It would actually make no sense, for PD to dismiss that series.

2017 NSX is in. 2017 GT-R is in. (Year?)RC-F is in(might be a couple years old, but it's a new shape).
Super GT could have it's own series. We only need the 3 cars. Livery editor takes care of the rest. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Samus]

Super GT(JGTC) has been in every GT. Even before the WRC cars. Why would they not be in the game?

Career mode has been in every GT, this one doesn't have one. Things have changed with GT Sport. They might turn up, but the past is no guarantee of anything.

 

[05XR8]

We don't need Career mode for the inclusion of a car. Not being silly, but Etiquette tests might even have just a Super GT for us to drive around to learn Fuji.

 

[Samus]

We don't need Career mode for the inclusion of a car. Not being silly, but Etiquette tests might even have just a Super GT for us to drive around to learn Fuji.

That wasn't my point. You said SGT has been in every GT and asked why they'd not be in GT Sport to continue that. Well Career modes have also been in every main GT game so you could similarly as why wouldn't it be in GTS, but it's not. So like I say, past history is no guarantee of the future.

 

[05XR8]

That wasn't my point. You said SGT has been in every GT and asked why they'd not be in GT Sport to continue that. Well Career modes have also been in every main GT game so you could similarly as why wouldn't it be in GTS, but it's not. So like I say, past history is no guarantee of the future.

That opens up questions to what we're all thinking about this game.

Why is Group B in the game and not WRC? It's still rally though. Rally has been in every GT bar GT1.
LMP has been in every GT game bar GT1.
GT(not just Super GT) race cars, every game.

The questioning I'm referring to, is about the class of car. Just because someone feels it is not a global chassis, doesn't mean it excludes it from the game.

 

[Samus]

Certainly if PD want SGT to be in GTS they can find a way to include them.