Porsche 911 GT3 RS '4.0'

[Clark]

The title's like that as there isn't a proper name yet that we know of for it.

I'm actually liking the looks of this, at least compared to the tack bare CF on the GT2 RS, can't help thinking this would look better without the decals though. (maybe somebody can photoshop the pictures for a clean one)

Should be the best 911 to driver ever, they've kept with the proper manual 'box 👍 and it's pretty much as close as you can get to a road legel 997 GT3 RSR. Final fling for the Mezger six, natural aspiration and 500bhp.

 

[GT'S BiG FaN]

No specs ?

 

[Clark]

Not yet only rumours of the car putting out 500bhp.

 

[Paulie]

All I know is anything in the ball-park of what they're predicting is a helluva lot of power for an atmo 6, Porsche's flat 6 is probably one of the best motors out there these days.

 

[Stotty]

I've been following this rumour for the last 6 months and at the moment I'm feeling a bit disappointed with the end result.

It will almost certainly be the best 997 variant and possibly the best 911 of all time when you consider the 997.2 GT3RS is already viewed as the pinacle of 911's and this will have another 50bhp plus more downforce and some other trick parts.

But I also think Porsche have missed a trick when it comes to the car if the images posted on Teamspeed are accurate. The styling could have been soooo much better if they'd have fitted the proper RSR body work.

This is what it should have looked like in my opinion...

As it stands, this is just a 997.2 GT3RS with another 50 bhp, a cup rear wing, slightly different interior and a few carbon panels. Don't get me wrong, it will be awesome to drive and I'd sell my grandmother to have one, but it's nothing like an RSR

It will have a 4.0 version of the Mezger flat 6, producing 500bhp. The engine is pretty much the same as in the RSR with a few tweaks for road use. Other than that, I guess it will have very similar numbers to the GT3RS.

 

[Clark]

Stotty I actually think the GT3 R would make a better looking road car, that car looks really nice in the metal and I've never liked the 997 GT3 RSR as much as the 996.

 

[Stotty]

I don't think the R is massively different to the RSR styling wise...

Are you thinking of the Cup?

The cup is pretty much a GT3RS stripped for track work.

 

[Clark]

No I never like the Cup or the Cup S as they looked abit too narrow, but the R has the perfect proportions.

They all sound amazing though, with that flat six bark that rips through the air.

The GT3 R just looks a bit fresher and I think the RSR looks a bit too wide.

 

[McLaren]

As cool as it would be for the cars to look like that right off the showroom floor, I'd have to bet that Porsche knows that those wide fenders, & racing looks would be things that many owners would probably not want for something they may plan to just drive around town in. I'd also wager that that bodywork is probably not very road friendly.

 

[Stotty]

I'm pretty sure it's an optical illusion

The only difference is the R has a slightly differently styled front bumper... both look like pure automotive porn to me!

 

[TheCracker]

The massive wheel-arch extensions and the necessary changes to the sills and front panels to accommodate them on the RSR would be pointless on the '4.0' GT3 RS due to it's narrower wheels/tyres/. If Porsche fitted wider RSR sized tyres it would undoubtedly ruin it's on-road handling balance.

 

[Stotty]

It has been done before... here are some pictures of a road going RSR replica that Porsche built for one of it's factory drivers...

Wouldn't be hard to do... just a matter of getting the right spec of offset and spacers... notice the ride height is road friendly rather than track slammed.

 

[TheCracker]

It does look good, better for the raised ride height over the track RSR IMO, but it doesn't mean it will handle all that well though.

If it's aiming to be the ultimate 997 it's got to work better on road than the regular GT3 RS does, which is a hard act to follow. On paper the GT2 RS is quicker than the GT3 RS, but it's the marginally slower GT3 version which gets all the accolades.

It doesn't matter if the RSR handles perfectly on track, as long as it has aerodynamic and mechanical downforce, and enough power to compete with the opposition, it's down to the drivers and their engineers to make it work in a way they're comfortable with. Fine handling is a preferable road car trait which helps the marketing team do their job. In professional racing handling is a blank canvas for the aforementioned drivers and race engineers to work their magic.

 

[Stotty]

I doubt Porsche would have any trouble making it out handle a GT3RS... they have pretty good track record for being able to make the 911 handle well and another 6"+ of track width should only be an advantage.

 

[Clark]

I was just hoping it would have a wing the size of the RSR, not a wing like the Cup cars.

 

[Stotty]

I think the RSR wing would be illegal in a lot of markets... it's just too wide!

 

[Clark]

Tell that to the guy who's car I always see parked at the LMS at Silverstone.
Road legal 993 GT2 Evo 👍 I'll try and find the pic I have of it.

 

[Stotty]

993 GT2 Evo

 

[homeforsummer]

I doubt Porsche would have any trouble making it out handle a GT3RS... they have pretty good track record for being able to make the 911 handle well and another 6"+ of track width should only be an advantage.

On the road though? It'd be an awful lot of work to stop it tramlining massively, or making it ride well, and that's before you get to the fact that it's a fair amount wider and therefore proportionately less usable on real roads where you lack the width of a racetrack.

Personally I'm quite happy they've stuck with the standard body. For a start I think it looks better than the racing versions (which honestly look a bit... messy... the 911's shape is something you want to avoid messing with too much), and I like the fact that it's still a relatively small car and therefore something you can use on real roads.

 

[Dan_]

Looking at this:

I can only presume Porsche is trying to retrace that borderline between driving pleasure and technological gizmos, just look at the dash of a recent Ferrari or the McLaren MP4-12C and then compare them to this.

A stick shift transmission, a simple and straighforward steering wheel and only the essential information is displayed in front of you, nothing to distract you from the road and the job of driving. Awesome car.

 

[Clark]

Well the be honest Dan, that's barely any different from a normal GT3 or GT3 RS. This is just like a GT3 RS '+'.

 

[Omnis]

Dear Porsche,

Thank you. I'd get one if I had baller money.

 

[osrg]

Officially named the GT3RS 4.0 LE (Limited Edition)....... official release today in EU apparently.

 

[Stotty]

The car is on the Porsche web site, so it's now official.

The pics on post 1 of this thread are spot on.

Specs...

Name
911 GT3RS 4.0

Weight
The front lid, front wing, fixed rear spoiler and air filter housing are made from carbon, as are the lightweight bucket seats and the door sills with the ‘RS 4.0’ logo. The engine cover and rear middle section are made from plastic, the rear window and now also the front side windows from polycarbonate. The doors, fixed calipers on the front and rear axles and the rear spoiler mounts are made from aluminium. The lightweight door panels feature door pulls to save further weight. A lightweight 60-Ah battery also contributes towards weight reduction, and an even lighter lithium-ion battery is available as an option. If you wish, you can eliminate the CDR-30 audio system or the air conditioning or opt for lightweight headlamps, to achieve a more impressive power-to-weight ratio.
Claimed 10kg lighter than a GT3RS (but that will vary with options!).

Engine
The water-cooled six-cylinder boxer engine with four-valve technology and enhanced VarioCam timing transmits its power to the rear axle. The unit produces an impressive maximum engine speed of 8,250 rpm. It delivers 500 hp from a total displacement of 3,996 cc, corresponding to an output of 92 kW (125 hp) per litre. The maximum torque is 460 Nm at 5,750 rpm.

0-62 mph 3.9s
0-125 mph 11.9s
193 mph

Transmission
6 speed manual only. Rear differential’s lock factors of 28% (when cornering under power) and 40% (when cornering on the overrun)

Suspension
Ride height, camber, toe angle and anti-roll bar settings can be adapted individually for the racetrack. One special feature is that the transverse arm on the rear axle is divided – so that the camber can be adjusted more precisely. Metal support bearings with ball joints mean there is practically no play in the connection between the chassis and body. Their use on the front and rear axles with additional ball joints on the rear axle in the 911 GT3 RS 4.0 ensures even less play in the bearings – for even more precise wheel location to enable better handling.


So basically, this is GT3RS with a bigger engine, which is reflected in the price of around £130k rather than the £150k rumoured.

Still a bit disappointed that it's not more extreme, but never the less, this will be the ultimate analogue driving experience and is, in my opinion, unlikely to be bettered in that regard... the next generations of GT Porsche will likely be without one of the greatest engines of all time (the Mezger) and come with PDK etc.

 

[Luminis]

So basically, this is GT3RS with a bigger engine, which is reflected in the price of around £130k rather than the £150k rumoured.

A total bargain then, isn't it?


...yeah, I wish.

 

[Stotty]

Relatively speaking

Not sure what Manthay would charge you if you rocked up at their place with your GT3RS and asked them to carry out the 4.0l conversion... might actually be more than the premium a GT3RS 4.0 carries over a normal RS.

 

[Luminis]

But Manthey would probably be kind enough to add body work that's closer to the RSR, though.

If you asked nicely. With your wallet.

 

[Paulie]

Apparently it did a 7'27 at The Ring, now I know, all the people crying Ring times are pointless, but anything that is capable of under 7'30 is mentally fast, and please don't forget that pro drivers are pretty good at pushing limits. This is probably my favourite 911 now, not that I'm a huge Porsche fan.

 

[Timppaq]

Sounds fast and I like it 👍

Bertter pics for the needy..

 

[Paulie]

Not that it'd see much road use, but look at how far away from the hand position on the wheel the indicator stalk is, you'd definitely need to remove your hand to use it.