Porsche 991.2 GT3 Revealed

[Stotty]

So why a picture of the auto gear level?

Pfft you don't buy a sports car in auto PERIOD! Don't care, a sports car is made to be driven not for sitting in - an auto defeats it's purpose. Personally I don't feel safe driving an auto, no where near the control you get with a manual. I like to feel what the car is doing and telling me and have devoted myself to never owning an automatic gear-boxed car.

Picture is because the manual versions will be produced on the 2nd production run (1st run is all PDK).

PDK makes sense for a car used on track a lot. No idea why you wouldn't feel 'safe' in a PDK. It felt perfectly safe to me - when I drove one in manual mode I knew exactly what gear I was in and also allowed me to left foot brake.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

So why a picture of the auto gear level?

Pfft you don't buy a sports car in auto PERIOD! Don't care, a sports car is made to be driven not for sitting in - an auto defeats it's purpose. Personally I don't feel safe driving an auto, no where near the control you get with a manual. I like to feel what the car is doing and telling me and have devoted myself to never owning an automatic gear-boxed car.

Perhaps you're confusing a PDK with a traditional automatic. They share virtually nothing. I too prefer a manual gearbox, but even I have to concede that a PDK equipped car will always be faster, safer and give a better degree of control than a car with a manual. With the PDK you never have to take your hands off the wheel when driving hard, you don't have to worry about manipulating the clutch, and you can basically shift whenever you want due to the instant and smooth nature of the shifts. All that means you can concentrate a lot more on steering, accelerating, and braking. In a 100 bhp car that's pretty boring. In a 500 bhp car, you're suddenly given a great deal more time to focus on what you're doing since you're not constantly shifting. In an 800 bhp car? Well, there's a reason that they all come with dual clutch gearboxes, and it's because if they had a manual you simply wouldn't be able to keep proper control of the car.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Spotted in the flesh.

 

[Stotty]

Wonder if it's possible to replace the rear wing with a duck tail.

Like this...

 

[SPhilli911]

Wonder if it's possible to replace the rear wing with a duck tail.

Like this...

That's crazy talk for a GT3! Although, I do really like that, to be honest. Having seen a few 991 Carreras cruising around with the duck tail like that, I would probably have mine that way, too.

But, I really don't like the clear tail-lights (on 911s or any car). Maybe I'm so used to red ones, but clear does not look very good.

 

[McLaren]

Wonder if it's possible to replace the rear wing with a duck tail.

Like this...

I'll have to dig through Rennlist, but I'm extremely positive someone did it on the 991.1 GT3.

 

[boiltheocean]

This GT3 RS?

 

[Stotty]

That's crazy talk for a GT3! Although, I do really like that, to be honest. Having seen a few 991 Carreras cruising around with the duck tail like that, I would probably have mine that way, too.

But, I really don't like the clear tail-lights (on 911s or any car). Maybe I'm so used to red ones, but clear does not look very good.

I don't like the clear rear light either, but a manual GT3 in GT Silver, with silver wheels, a duck tail, folding buckets and no cage would make an awesome road car... much less in your face than a brightly coloured, bespoilered version.

 

[Jimmy_DA]

Perhaps you're confusing a PDK with a traditional automatic. They share virtually nothing. I too prefer a manual gearbox, but even I have to concede that a PDK equipped car will always be faster, safer and give a better degree of control than a car with a manual. With the PDK you never have to take your hands off the wheel when driving hard, you don't have to worry about manipulating the clutch, and you can basically shift whenever you want due to the instant and smooth nature of the shifts. All that means you can concentrate a lot more on steering, accelerating, and braking. In a 100 bhp car that's pretty boring. In a 500 bhp car, you're suddenly given a great deal more time to focus on what you're doing since you're not constantly shifting. In an 800 bhp car? Well, there's a reason that they all come with dual clutch gearboxes, and it's because if they had a manual you simply wouldn't be able to keep proper control of the car.

Thanks for the clarification that sounds heaps better. Unfortunately on a normal drive (non-track) lacking a proper manual is tedious, with paddle shift.

 

[bremics]

Thanks for the clarification that sounds heaps better. Unfortunately on a normal drive (non-track) lacking a proper manual is tedious, with paddle shift.

How so?

In my old Genesis after a day over loading trailers playing with the clutch in stop and go traffic literally brought me to tears from the pain.

I can't see how the ability to change gears with the twitch of your fingers is more tedious than having to carefully (although admittedly near subconsciousely after a while) adjust both your feet on the pedals and remove your hand from the steering wheel to the shifter.

 

[GTboyz]

Having an automatic is tedious ? Lol what.

As much as i prefer manual than auto, automatic is nowhere near tedious.

 

[AudiMan2011]

7:12 'Ring lap.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/porsche-911-gt3-has-blitzed-nurburgring-7m-12s

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Evo video, but linked to a Top Gear article?

So it's roughly mid-way between the previous model, and the 918? Talk about progress.

 

[Stotty]

If the GT3 is at 7'13, the GT2RS may dip under 7 mins

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

If the GT3 is at 7'13, the GT2RS may dip under 7 mins

I doubt it will be Sub seven, maybe ten seconds faster at best?

 

[CodeRedR51]

http://www.carscoops.com/2017/09/new-manual-only-porsche-911-gt3-touring.html

Sleeper.

 

[JC_Dude]

911 R owners on suicide watch, haha. Looks great.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Worst-Kept. Secret. Ever.

 

[Stotty]

For a 991, perfection.

Dream daily.

 

[Carbon_6]

911R 2.0?

 

[ProjectWHaT]

I don't understand why people say this will piss off 911R owners. The majority of 911R owners bought it as an investment because it was a limited run car. Sure, you can get a 911 with a manual for much cheaper, but it doesn't have the same appeal.

 

[RCKakashi14]

Touring option?

Sounds like the option pack for the Carrera RS 2.7 way back.

 

[McLaren]

I don't understand why people say this will piss off 911R owners. The majority of 911R owners bought it as an investment because it was a limited run car. Sure, you can get a 911 with a manual for much cheaper, but it doesn't have the same appeal.

It will piss off 911R owners because it will affect their values; Porsche just rebuilt the 911R without the fancy stripes and talks of limited production, so now there's no need to spend a half million dollars on a R when this is available.

This was likely intentional because Porsche was extremely displeased by how the 911R market was turned into a cash cow and are now deeply invested in keeping it from happening again.

Edit* The owners really only have themselves to blame anyway. Cars are awful investments first off and any owner that was looking to flip whilst still staying in Porsche's good graces missed their chance as R values have come a bit back down since the craze. Beyond that, several of these R owners are VIPs who are going to be rewarded anyway with first dibs on upcoming cars.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I mean, I agree with McLaren in the sense that cars are terrible investments, and also, a vast majority of those 911 R's were probably never going to leave garages or get any hard driving time like Porsche intended them to, but still, it's a bit of a backhanded move for Porsche to basically flip the bird to people who bought into the hype of the 911 R being the sort of last of the lineage of non sequential cars.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I mean, I agree with McLaren in the sense that cars are terrible investments, and also, a vast majority of those 911 R's were probably never going to leave garages or get any hard driving time like Porsche intended them to, but still, it's a bit of a backhanded move for Porsche to basically flip the bird to people who bought into the hype of the 911 R being the sort of last of the lineage of non sequential cars.

Did Porsche ever push it as that, though? I know there was a lot of talk of it being a (comparatively) back-to-basics car, with the manual and less extreme approach compared to the RS, but I don't remember it ever being billed as some sort of last-of-line. If anything, it was Porsche admitting it may have made a mistake in making the 991.1 GT3 flappy-only.

Ever since the R's release, it was widely accepted the 991.2 GT3 would get a stick — and it did, not even a year later. The signs were all pointing to this Touring package, if you ask me.

 

[Stotty]

It will piss off 911R owners because it will affect their values; Porsche just rebuilt the 911R without the fancy stripes and talks of limited production, so now there's no need to spend a half million dollars on a R when this is available.

This was likely intentional because Porsche was extremely displeased by how the 911R market was turned into a cash cow and are now deeply invested in keeping it from happening again.

As long as you are a 1st owner, you're not in any danger (well, not in the UK, at least)... the R retailed for £130k (plus options, so c.£140k). R's might not fetch £400k anymore, but they will never fall below £250k. The only people who might get burnt are 2nd/3rd owners... and they are likely to get burnt anyway once this bubbles starts to collapse.

 

[SPhilli911]

If I had the means to buy a GT3 in the first place it would spend most of it's time on a track, so why would I care about a subtle look? Cool 911 and all but I prefer my GT 911s with big, silly looking wings.

 

[Stotty]

If I had the means to buy a GT3 and track it, I'd buy a race car.

911's are supposed to be 'discrete' (c.f. Ferrari/Lambo). The touring is perfect AFAIC... all the performance, without shouting about it

Just had a play on the configurator... £131k for my perfect build.

 

[SPhilli911]

If I had the means to buy a GT3 and track it, I'd buy a race car.

911's are supposed to be 'discrete' (c.f. Ferrari/Lambo). The touring is perfect AFAIC... all the performance, without shouting about it

Just had a play on the configurator... £131k for my perfect build.

I'd like to also drive my GT3 to and from the track, so a full on race car wouldn't cut it. I would also argue that the GT 911s were never meant to be discrete and 911s built to race don't need to look subtle but that doesn't mean I don't understand why some might want their GT3 to look like a normal 911. I definitely respect your opinion, I'm just on the other end of the spectrum, is all.

Maybe it's my inner child but I've always fancied cars that look like they belong on a race track which you can also drive on the road. As silly as that may be to others looking like a total jack*** on the road.

 

[TheCracker]

If I had the means to buy a GT3 and track it, I'd buy a race car.

That's why i've always preferred the GT3 over the GT3 RS. If you're going to spend all that time at the track with it, just get an ex-cup car and get the full-fat experience. I doubt any GT3 RS owner has no other 'daily' and the regular GT3 will make a more usable road car.

I think this might be just a bit too subtle. Keeping the duck-tail element of the wing/engine cover (like the all black GT3 RS above) would be ideal. I'd take mine as a targa too.