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Sure I heard someone on here say it, I can't confirm if it's true or not.. I certainly don't want to spread false rumours.
Simply saying it sucks we can't get both.
Simply saying it sucks we can't get both.
Porsche Car Pack Coming to FH3
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You're thinking of this, correct?
It's a very good point. RUF and Porsche have only ever appeared alongside each other in games where it wasn't known pre-release that that'd be the case. FM6 was the first game since FM3 where it was known Porsche would be coming before the game even released: suspiciously, the RUFs were silently dropped.
It does seem a little strange, considering there's obviously a close relationship between the two companies in the real world. Perhaps Porsche is bothered by RUF's reputation as a replacement, especially when it comes to fantasy race cars.
I do hope that now that Porsche is essentially no different from any other manufacturer, that RUF will continue to be included in racing games. It's an interesting bit of history on its own, with some truly fascinating models.
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I have the same thoughts about Ruf; I really hope Porsche becoming mainstream to racing games doesn't take out Ruf. I still would like to drive the Yellowbird and CTR3 in later games. Heck, I liked racing Porsches and Rufs alongside each other in FM4 & FH2.
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Okay, now for my opinion on this pack. I think this was the best possible decision Turn 10 could have thought of with the Porsche license. I can still access the roadcars from FM6 without having to shell out $20 for them while just having to pay for a smaller pack featuring models that haven't been in a Horizon game yet.
I look forward to playing the Forzathon event tomorrow and getting my precious GT3 RS 4.0 again.
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Okay, now for my opinion on this pack. I think this was the best possible decision Turn 10 could have thought of with the Porsche license. I can still access the roadcars from FM6 without having to shell out $20 for them while just having to pay for a smaller pack featuring models that haven't been in a Horizon game yet.
I look forward to playing the Forzathon event tomorrow and getting my precious GT3 RS 4.0 again.
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Originally posted by Neil3646 over @ FC.com
Hopefully it's the 2003 CGT or 1970 914/6
Hopefully it's the 2003 CGT or 1970 914/6
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Originally posted by Neil3646 over @ FC.com
Hopefully it's the 2003 CGT or 1982 3.3L Turbo!
It won't be the 1928 3.3 Turbo as you'll be able to win that by completing - #Forzathon Eye On The Sky - 28 Apr 17 / 01 May 17
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^ Thanks for that, edited my original post!
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Well...
I'm very happy with the car pack. Reasonably priced, good selection of cars, and the 993 GT2 and the GT3RS are brilliant. I'm hoping to see a 964 at some point, with the RWB kit too.
It's also good to see a number of Porsches being given away in the Forzathon, and, if the list above is accurate (which I'm sure it is) it looks as though none of them require gold to complete.
T10 and Playground: keep it up. Excellent job.
I'm very happy with the car pack. Reasonably priced, good selection of cars, and the 993 GT2 and the GT3RS are brilliant. I'm hoping to see a 964 at some point, with the RWB kit too.
It's also good to see a number of Porsches being given away in the Forzathon, and, if the list above is accurate (which I'm sure it is) it looks as though none of them require gold to complete.
T10 and Playground: keep it up. Excellent job.
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I just obtained the GT3 RS 4.0. Awesome car and already nice variety after only eight cars. I really look forward to expand the collection on a weekly basis going forward. The down to earth approach taken this time around is also pretty refreshing. The previous Porsche expansions have in my opinion created an overhyped pedestal the cars now benefit without.
Interesting thing to notice... The 997 GT3 RS 4.0 is in the modern supercars division whereas the 991 GT3 RS is grouped alongside extreme track toys. Aren't the two cars more or less based on the same track focused philosophy? I suspect that the GT3 RS 4.0 has taken the modern supercar slot because we might not see a modern 911 Turbo. I hope I'm wrong, but Turn 10 has developed that slightly annoying habit of only including the top of the range model for many model generations.
Isn't the 964 the only 911 generation missing in Forza's Porsche roster? I won't get my hopes up just yet as the 930 came with 964 bumpers in FM6.
Interesting thing to notice... The 997 GT3 RS 4.0 is in the modern supercars division whereas the 991 GT3 RS is grouped alongside extreme track toys. Aren't the two cars more or less based on the same track focused philosophy? I suspect that the GT3 RS 4.0 has taken the modern supercar slot because we might not see a modern 911 Turbo. I hope I'm wrong, but Turn 10 has developed that slightly annoying habit of only including the top of the range model for many model generations.
Isn't the 964 the only 911 generation missing in Forza's Porsche roster? I won't get my hopes up just yet as the 930 came with 964 bumpers in FM6.
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I guess we wont be seeing a 935 or 917k until FM7 then 'eh!
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The 935 I'll agree might debut in FM7, But the 917? It has a chance to show up in horizion.
Because the January leak did mention the 1970 #3 917LH version and considering we have the Lola T70, it would make sense for it to have a rival here in horizion.
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Technically speaking, this Porsche pack is a monthly car pack DLC - which means that, even through there are obvious similarities about the models it introduces, it's review time! Alas, T10 missed another chance to feature the first production Porsche vehicle...
Despite his close working relationship with the Nazi regime, Ferdinand Porsche survived Germany's defeat with his reputation as a motorsport guru untarnished. When the dust settled, Ferdinand and his son Ferry managed to find a niche and almost immediately filled it with the 356 - a relatively inexpensive, lightweight sportscar with a sleek body and Beetle-based mechanics. But in the increasingly competitive world of sportscar racing, that wasn't enough to be in front.
The Porsche 550 was introduced in 1953, and its place in pop culture was cemented as the car in which part-time actor and full-time badass James Dean met his unfortunate, premature demise. But in all likelihood it's also the single model which holds the greatest importance in the history of the brand. It was low - so low, in fact, that at the 1954 Mille Miglia German ace Hans Herrmann drove it under closed railroad crossing gates - and its four cylinder boxer engine was mounted right behind the seats: parked next to the front-engined Ferraris and Lancias and Jaguars of the time it looked diminutive, but those expecting it to be a pushover were in for a rude awakening by the "giant killer". The third place achieved at the 1954 Carrera Panamericana led to Porsche adopting the "Carrera" monicker for its sportier models, and kickstarted its activity as a customer sportscars producer.
The "A" version featured a stiffer chassis and improved suspension, but the engine still produced a measle 140 hp. Thanks to the smooth design of the body, that makes it good for a competitive 220kph - and the handling is superb, firm and precise in a way many modern cars would envy. It's a racecar through-and-through, a brilliant starting point for Porsche's rich motorsport heritage.
Goliath laptime: 15:56.156
Verdict: giant killer.
The 550 was followed by its evolution, the 718 RSK - so named allegedly because of its shorter ("kurz") wheelbase. Keeping true to the "small engine on a small car" recipe the 718 inherited the air-cooled flat-4 of the 550A, and much of its chassis. It did however away with many of the possible concessions to road use - the extremely bare-bones interior was stripped of anything that could bring the 356 to mind, and exteme measures were taken to reduce the already small weight of 600 kilograms to 570. A further refinement of the formula, the RS 60, received slightly revised bodywork, and a more powerful engine, producing 160 hp. If the 550 put Porsche on the radar, the RS gave Stuttgart's brand many of their "firsts", winning in 1960 the Sebring 12h, the prestigious Targa Florio race in Sicily, and bringing home the first class victory at Le Mans, and all of this while looking absolutely gorgeous.
It drives exactly as you'd expect - it's a much faster, and much wilder interpretation of the concept introduced with the 550, asking for greater risks, but at the same time delivering much greater excitement - and performance.
Goliath laptime: 14:01.275
Verdict: giant overkill.
It'd take Porsche 55 years to reintroduce a mid-engined 4-cylinder boxer car, if one's not to count the VW-branded parentheses of the 914. The 718 Boxster and Cayman are the children of the new trend of downsizing - replacing the old boxer-6 engines found in the 981-series predecessors with more compact and less fuel-thirsty, but ultimately more powerful turbocharged units.
Porsche engineers decided however to go in a completely different direction when they created the Cayman GT4 by shoehorning behind the seats the 3.8 l unit found in the 911 Carrera S, detuned to 385 horsepower from the original 400 - together with the latest 911 GT3's brakes and track-ready adaptive dampers, a six-speed manual gearbox and a race-inspired aero package.
The result is a mental car which's been met by the specialized press with praise and rave reviews, and is ready to take on much larger and more powerful cars in GT4 races and trackday events all over the world alike - a giant killer for the 21st century. And with its blistering acceleration and its precise, direct handling, its success is pretty much guaranteed. In fact, it's so good, it almost threatens the less extreme versions of the 911 - no mean feat for a car which less than the cheapest neunelf variation.
Goliath laptime: 12:00.220
Verdict: call it "boy racer", if you want - but it's all grown up.
First introduced in 2009, the Panamera is the Porsche's first production four-door car - and a contradiction. It is a front-engined car, powered by a vee engine, and its proclaimed market target greatly upset the brand's purists, which felt threatened by Stuttgart's new focus - and yet despite its alienness in Porsche's range, it also draws heavily from its two-doors boxer history, featuring 911-inspired lines and a name which is the lost half of the "Carrera" monicker.
The second-generation Panamera tries to endear itself to the Porsche aficionados which snubbed its predecessor, abandoning the awkward hatchback styling in favor of lines which are more closely linked to the 911's; but at the same time it looks at the future, with four-elements LED headlamps clearly inspired by those found on the 918 and on the Mission E concept. The rear spoiler - which folds out of sight at low speeds, only to unfold in a spectacular fashion when needed - and active suspension and chassis management bring its driving dynamics even closer to the 911's, while allowing it to be as subtle as such a gagantuan sports sedan can be.
On the road, the 550 hp, twin-turbocharged 4 l V8 engine provides a pleasant soundtrack to a focused, engaging driving experience - with only a hint of understeer which can be expected from a front-engined car which tips the scales at almost two tons. Unless T10 plans to add the latest Maserati Quattroporte GTS anytime soon, this is the super-sedan to drive in Forza Horizon 3.
Goliath laptime: 12:27.981
Verdict: a 911 for four.
The 911 is the car which contributed the most to define Porsche's identity, and unequivocally became a part of it. In its 53 years long tenure as the top-of-the-line model, the neunelf has seen many special editions - but the most special one is probably also the first. Built to comply with racing homologation requirements, the 1973 Carrera RS brought significant weight savings over the standard model, a track-focused suspension setup and a 2.7 l engine with mechanical injection, and a distinctive "ducktail" spoiler and subtler front lip to provide some much-needed stability at high speeds. Flamboyant "Carrera" striping and color-matched Fuchs lightweight alloy wheels completed the package.
The RS is still heralded by many today as be the finest 911 ever assembled, and it's not hard to see why. It is a machine of unmatched clarity, a quintessential 911 which doesn't hide behind preposterous power figures and the promise of turbocharged exhilaration. The engine revs with a satisfying rumble, typical of the trademark boxer-6 engine; and the silky-smooth handling adapts to any driving style, thanks to the stability provided by a rear end which will gladly direct the motions of the car through corner without ever trying to overtake the front. For what's essentially a road-legal GT racer, the Carrera RS is surprisingly docile, and yet it's an incredibly pure, uncomplicated driving experience which has few equals, both in-game and in real life. And it's been worth the five-years wait to drive it in Forza again...
Goliath laptime: 14:56.763
Verdict: six cylinders and a tonne of rear-engined bliss.
The other car returning in this pack after a five years absence is the antipodal equal of the ur-Carrera: it's the original 911 GT2. Forget all about purity and the joy of driving - the last air-cooled homologation special Porsche was an insane machine designed only with raw performance in mind.
The 993 Turbo served as a base for what would be one of the most iconic racecars of the 90s - but with the heavy 4wd system, which wasn't allowed in racing, promptly removed. The wild nature of the turbocharged car was now mitigated by loads and loads of rubber, clad in wider plastic fenders, and by the larger rear spoiler, which also featured two air ducts at its base, feeding fresh air to the upgraded 450 hp engine. The later iterations of the GT2 lost their "race car for the streets" character, and became much more docile cars, more suited for dentists flush with cash and a desire to look cooler than their peers; but this is an untamed beast designed for the mean streets of Le Mans and the tight bends of Sebring, whose immense grip is yet not enough to keep a rein on its turbocharged power. All you can do is hang on for dear life while you blast away on the most extreme 911 ever sold, a car true to the spirit of GT racing of its time.
Goliath laptime: 13:07.521
Verdict: *life insurance needed, not included.
After the 993 was replaced by the liquid-cooled 996, the GT2 nameplate was in many ways replaced by the GT3. Less of a homologation special and more of a clubsport racer, the new lightweight, naturally aspired creature immediately found a place in the heart of Porsche purists and general car lovers all around the world. 2003 saw the introduction of the RS, an even more track-focused model which harkened back, in many ways, to the legendary Carrera RS.
The 991 GT3 RS takes thing a step further in the realm of "race car for the streets", featuring a 500 hp 4 l unit which already starred in the 997 RS 4.0 and is built on the same block as the racing engines found in the RSR cars which race at Le Mans. The adoption of a magnesium roof and several new carbon fiber parts allow for a mass reduction of ten kilograms over the "standard" GT3, and the PDK 7-gear sequential transmission and Torque Vectoring System have all been tuned for improved track use. The new, sculpted bodywork - which includes louvers behind the front fenders, and a Turbo-like intake in front of the rears - completes the package.
The result is a car which manages to convey the same directness as past iterations of the formula, while overally being much, much faster. Which is hardly surprising, in the end - after all, improving on an old recipe's what Porsche does best.
Goliath laptime: 11:26.220
Verdict: the fastest, the meanest, the best.
Despite his close working relationship with the Nazi regime, Ferdinand Porsche survived Germany's defeat with his reputation as a motorsport guru untarnished. When the dust settled, Ferdinand and his son Ferry managed to find a niche and almost immediately filled it with the 356 - a relatively inexpensive, lightweight sportscar with a sleek body and Beetle-based mechanics. But in the increasingly competitive world of sportscar racing, that wasn't enough to be in front.
The Porsche 550 was introduced in 1953, and its place in pop culture was cemented as the car in which part-time actor and full-time badass James Dean met his unfortunate, premature demise. But in all likelihood it's also the single model which holds the greatest importance in the history of the brand. It was low - so low, in fact, that at the 1954 Mille Miglia German ace Hans Herrmann drove it under closed railroad crossing gates - and its four cylinder boxer engine was mounted right behind the seats: parked next to the front-engined Ferraris and Lancias and Jaguars of the time it looked diminutive, but those expecting it to be a pushover were in for a rude awakening by the "giant killer". The third place achieved at the 1954 Carrera Panamericana led to Porsche adopting the "Carrera" monicker for its sportier models, and kickstarted its activity as a customer sportscars producer.
The "A" version featured a stiffer chassis and improved suspension, but the engine still produced a measle 140 hp. Thanks to the smooth design of the body, that makes it good for a competitive 220kph - and the handling is superb, firm and precise in a way many modern cars would envy. It's a racecar through-and-through, a brilliant starting point for Porsche's rich motorsport heritage.
Goliath laptime: 15:56.156
Verdict: giant killer.
The 550 was followed by its evolution, the 718 RSK - so named allegedly because of its shorter ("kurz") wheelbase. Keeping true to the "small engine on a small car" recipe the 718 inherited the air-cooled flat-4 of the 550A, and much of its chassis. It did however away with many of the possible concessions to road use - the extremely bare-bones interior was stripped of anything that could bring the 356 to mind, and exteme measures were taken to reduce the already small weight of 600 kilograms to 570. A further refinement of the formula, the RS 60, received slightly revised bodywork, and a more powerful engine, producing 160 hp. If the 550 put Porsche on the radar, the RS gave Stuttgart's brand many of their "firsts", winning in 1960 the Sebring 12h, the prestigious Targa Florio race in Sicily, and bringing home the first class victory at Le Mans, and all of this while looking absolutely gorgeous.
It drives exactly as you'd expect - it's a much faster, and much wilder interpretation of the concept introduced with the 550, asking for greater risks, but at the same time delivering much greater excitement - and performance.
Goliath laptime: 14:01.275
Verdict: giant overkill.
It'd take Porsche 55 years to reintroduce a mid-engined 4-cylinder boxer car, if one's not to count the VW-branded parentheses of the 914. The 718 Boxster and Cayman are the children of the new trend of downsizing - replacing the old boxer-6 engines found in the 981-series predecessors with more compact and less fuel-thirsty, but ultimately more powerful turbocharged units.
Porsche engineers decided however to go in a completely different direction when they created the Cayman GT4 by shoehorning behind the seats the 3.8 l unit found in the 911 Carrera S, detuned to 385 horsepower from the original 400 - together with the latest 911 GT3's brakes and track-ready adaptive dampers, a six-speed manual gearbox and a race-inspired aero package.
The result is a mental car which's been met by the specialized press with praise and rave reviews, and is ready to take on much larger and more powerful cars in GT4 races and trackday events all over the world alike - a giant killer for the 21st century. And with its blistering acceleration and its precise, direct handling, its success is pretty much guaranteed. In fact, it's so good, it almost threatens the less extreme versions of the 911 - no mean feat for a car which less than the cheapest neunelf variation.
Goliath laptime: 12:00.220
Verdict: call it "boy racer", if you want - but it's all grown up.
First introduced in 2009, the Panamera is the Porsche's first production four-door car - and a contradiction. It is a front-engined car, powered by a vee engine, and its proclaimed market target greatly upset the brand's purists, which felt threatened by Stuttgart's new focus - and yet despite its alienness in Porsche's range, it also draws heavily from its two-doors boxer history, featuring 911-inspired lines and a name which is the lost half of the "Carrera" monicker.
The second-generation Panamera tries to endear itself to the Porsche aficionados which snubbed its predecessor, abandoning the awkward hatchback styling in favor of lines which are more closely linked to the 911's; but at the same time it looks at the future, with four-elements LED headlamps clearly inspired by those found on the 918 and on the Mission E concept. The rear spoiler - which folds out of sight at low speeds, only to unfold in a spectacular fashion when needed - and active suspension and chassis management bring its driving dynamics even closer to the 911's, while allowing it to be as subtle as such a gagantuan sports sedan can be.
On the road, the 550 hp, twin-turbocharged 4 l V8 engine provides a pleasant soundtrack to a focused, engaging driving experience - with only a hint of understeer which can be expected from a front-engined car which tips the scales at almost two tons. Unless T10 plans to add the latest Maserati Quattroporte GTS anytime soon, this is the super-sedan to drive in Forza Horizon 3.
Goliath laptime: 12:27.981
Verdict: a 911 for four.
The 911 is the car which contributed the most to define Porsche's identity, and unequivocally became a part of it. In its 53 years long tenure as the top-of-the-line model, the neunelf has seen many special editions - but the most special one is probably also the first. Built to comply with racing homologation requirements, the 1973 Carrera RS brought significant weight savings over the standard model, a track-focused suspension setup and a 2.7 l engine with mechanical injection, and a distinctive "ducktail" spoiler and subtler front lip to provide some much-needed stability at high speeds. Flamboyant "Carrera" striping and color-matched Fuchs lightweight alloy wheels completed the package.
The RS is still heralded by many today as be the finest 911 ever assembled, and it's not hard to see why. It is a machine of unmatched clarity, a quintessential 911 which doesn't hide behind preposterous power figures and the promise of turbocharged exhilaration. The engine revs with a satisfying rumble, typical of the trademark boxer-6 engine; and the silky-smooth handling adapts to any driving style, thanks to the stability provided by a rear end which will gladly direct the motions of the car through corner without ever trying to overtake the front. For what's essentially a road-legal GT racer, the Carrera RS is surprisingly docile, and yet it's an incredibly pure, uncomplicated driving experience which has few equals, both in-game and in real life. And it's been worth the five-years wait to drive it in Forza again...
Goliath laptime: 14:56.763
Verdict: six cylinders and a tonne of rear-engined bliss.
The other car returning in this pack after a five years absence is the antipodal equal of the ur-Carrera: it's the original 911 GT2. Forget all about purity and the joy of driving - the last air-cooled homologation special Porsche was an insane machine designed only with raw performance in mind.
The 993 Turbo served as a base for what would be one of the most iconic racecars of the 90s - but with the heavy 4wd system, which wasn't allowed in racing, promptly removed. The wild nature of the turbocharged car was now mitigated by loads and loads of rubber, clad in wider plastic fenders, and by the larger rear spoiler, which also featured two air ducts at its base, feeding fresh air to the upgraded 450 hp engine. The later iterations of the GT2 lost their "race car for the streets" character, and became much more docile cars, more suited for dentists flush with cash and a desire to look cooler than their peers; but this is an untamed beast designed for the mean streets of Le Mans and the tight bends of Sebring, whose immense grip is yet not enough to keep a rein on its turbocharged power. All you can do is hang on for dear life while you blast away on the most extreme 911 ever sold, a car true to the spirit of GT racing of its time.
Goliath laptime: 13:07.521
Verdict: *life insurance needed, not included.
After the 993 was replaced by the liquid-cooled 996, the GT2 nameplate was in many ways replaced by the GT3. Less of a homologation special and more of a clubsport racer, the new lightweight, naturally aspired creature immediately found a place in the heart of Porsche purists and general car lovers all around the world. 2003 saw the introduction of the RS, an even more track-focused model which harkened back, in many ways, to the legendary Carrera RS.
The 991 GT3 RS takes thing a step further in the realm of "race car for the streets", featuring a 500 hp 4 l unit which already starred in the 997 RS 4.0 and is built on the same block as the racing engines found in the RSR cars which race at Le Mans. The adoption of a magnesium roof and several new carbon fiber parts allow for a mass reduction of ten kilograms over the "standard" GT3, and the PDK 7-gear sequential transmission and Torque Vectoring System have all been tuned for improved track use. The new, sculpted bodywork - which includes louvers behind the front fenders, and a Turbo-like intake in front of the rears - completes the package.
The result is a car which manages to convey the same directness as past iterations of the formula, while overally being much, much faster. Which is hardly surprising, in the end - after all, improving on an old recipe's what Porsche does best.
Goliath laptime: 11:26.220
Verdict: the fastest, the meanest, the best.
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Technically speaking, this Porsche pack is a monthly car pack DLC - which means that, even through there are obvious similarities about the models it introduces, it's review time! Alas, T10 missed another chance to feature the first production Porsche vehicle...
Despite his close working relationship with the Nazi regime, Ferdinand Porsche survived Germany's defeat with his reputation as a motorsport guru untarnished. When the dust settled, Ferdinand and his son Ferry managed to find a niche and almost immediately filled it with the 356 - a relatively inexpensive, lightweight sportscar with a sleek body and Beetle-based mechanics. But in the increasingly competitive world of sportscar racing, that wasn't enough to be in front.
The Porsche 550 was introduced in 1953, and its place in pop culture was cemented as the car in which part-time actor and full-time badass James Dean met his unfortunate, premature demise. But in all likelihood it's also the single model which holds the greatest importance in the history of the brand. It was low - so low, in fact, that at the 1954 Mille Miglia German ace Hans Herrmann drove it under closed railroad crossing gates - and its four cylinder boxer engine was mounted right behind the seats: parked next to the front-engined Ferraris and Lancias and Jaguars of the time it looked diminutive, but those expecting it to be a pushover were in for a rude awakening by the "giant killer". The third place achieved at the 1954 Carrera Panamericana led to Porsche adopting the "Carrera" monicker for its sportier models, and kickstarted its activity as a customer sportscars producer.
The "A" version featured a stiffer chassis and improved suspension, but the engine still produced a measle 140 hp. Thanks to the smooth design of the body, that makes it good for a competitive 220kph - and the handling is superb, firm and precise in a way many modern cars would envy. It's a racecar through-and-through, a brilliant starting point for Porsche's rich motorsport heritage.
Goliath laptime: 15:56.156
Verdict: giant killer.
The 550 was followed by its evolution, the 718 RSK - so named allegedly because of its shorter ("kurz") wheelbase. Keeping true to the "small engine on a small car" recipe the 718 inherited the air-cooled flat-4 of the 550A, and much of its chassis. It did however away with many of the possible concessions to road use - the extremely bare-bones interior was stripped of anything that could bring the 356 to mind, and exteme measures were taken to reduce the already small weight of 600 kilograms to 570. A further refinement of the formula, the RS 60, received slightly revised bodywork, and a more powerful engine, producing 160 hp. If the 550 put Porsche on the radar, the RS gave Stuttgart's brand many of their "firsts", winning in 1960 the Sebring 12h, the prestigious Targa Florio race in Sicily, and bringing home the first class victory at Le Mans, and all of this while looking absolutely gorgeous.
It drives exactly as you'd expect - it's a much faster, and much wilder interpretation of the concept introduced with the 550, asking for greater risks, but at the same time delivering much greater excitement - and performance.
Goliath laptime: 14:01.275
Verdict: giant overkill.
It'd take Porsche 55 years to reintroduce a mid-engined 4-cylinder boxer car, if one's not to count the VW-branded parentheses of the 914. The 718 Boxster and Cayman are the children of the new trend of downsizing - replacing the old boxer-6 engines found in the 981-series predecessors with more compact and less fuel-thirsty, but ultimately more powerful turbocharged units.
Porsche engineers decided however to go in a completely different direction when they created the Cayman GT4 by shoehorning behind the seats the 3.8 l unit found in the 911 Carrera S, detuned to 385 horsepower from the original 400 - together with the latest 911 GT3's brakes and track-ready adaptive dampers, a six-speed manual gearbox and a race-inspired aero package.
The result is a mental car which's been met by the specialized press with praise and rave reviews, and is ready to take on much larger and more powerful cars in GT4 races and trackday events all over the world alike - a giant killer for the 21st century. And with its blistering acceleration and its precise, direct handling, its success is pretty much guaranteed. In fact, it's so good, it almost threatens the less extreme versions of the 911 - no mean feat for a car which less than the cheapest neunelf variation.
Goliath laptime: 12:00.220
Verdict: call it "boy racer", if you want - but it's all grown up.
First introduced in 2009, the Panamera is the Porsche's first production four-door car - and a contradiction. It is a front-engined car, powered by a vee engine, and its proclaimed market target greatly upset the brand's purists, which felt threatened by Stuttgart's new focus - and yet despite its alienness in Porsche's range, it also draws heavily from its two-doors boxer history, featuring 911-inspired lines and a name which is the lost half of the "Carrera" monicker.
The second-generation Panamera tries to endear itself to the Porsche aficionados which snubbed its predecessor, abandoning the awkward hatchback styling in favor of lines which are more closely linked to the 911's; but at the same time it looks at the future, with four-elements LED headlamps clearly inspired by those found on the 918 and on the Mission E concept. The rear spoiler - which folds out of sight at low speeds, only to unfold in a spectacular fashion when needed - and active suspension and chassis management bring its driving dynamics even closer to the 911's, while allowing it to be as subtle as such a gagantuan sports sedan can be.
On the road, the 550 hp, twin-turbocharged 4 l V8 engine provides a pleasant soundtrack to a focused, engaging driving experience - with only a hint of understeer which can be expected from a front-engined car which tips the scales at almost two tons. Unless T10 plans to add the latest Maserati Quattroporte GTS anytime soon, this is the super-sedan to drive in Forza Horizon 3.
Goliath laptime: 12:27.981
Verdict: a 911 for four.
The 911 is the car which contributed the most to define Porsche's identity, and unequivocally became a part of it. In its 53 years long tenure as the top-of-the-line model, the neunelf has seen many special editions - but the most special one is probably also the first. Built to comply with racing homologation requirements, the 1973 Carrera RS brought significant weight savings over the standard model, a track-focused suspension setup and a 2.7 l engine with mechanical injection, and a distinctive "ducktail" spoiler and subtler front lip to provide some much-needed stability at high speeds. Flamboyant "Carrera" striping and color-matched Fuchs lightweight alloy wheels completed the package.
The RS is still heralded by many today as be the finest 911 ever assembled, and it's not hard to see why. It is a machine of unmatched clarity, a quintessential 911 which doesn't hide behind preposterous power figures and the promise of turbocharged exhilaration. The engine revs with a satisfying rumble, typical of the trademark boxer-6 engine; and the silky-smooth handling adapts to any driving style, thanks to the stability provided by a rear end which will gladly direct the motions of the car through corner without ever trying to overtake the front. For what's essentially a road-legal GT racer, the Carrera RS is surprisingly docile, and yet it's an incredibly pure, uncomplicated driving experience which has few equals, both in-game and in real life. And it's been worth the five-years wait to drive it in Forza again...
Goliath laptime: 14:56.763
Verdict: six cylinders and a tonne of rear-engined bliss.
The other car returning in this pack after a five years absence is the antipodal equal of the ur-Carrera: it's the original 911 GT2. Forget all about purity and the joy of driving - the last air-cooled homologation special Porsche was an insane machine designed only with raw performance in mind.
The 993 Turbo served as a base for what would be one of the most iconic racecars of the 90s - but with the heavy 4wd system, which wasn't allowed in racing, promptly removed. The wild nature of the turbocharged car was now mitigated by loads and loads of rubber, clad in wider plastic fenders, and by the larger rear spoiler, which also featured two air ducts at its base, feeding fresh air to the upgraded 450 hp engine. The later iterations of the GT2 lost their "race car for the streets" character, and became much more docile cars, more suited for dentists flush with cash and a desire to look cooler than their peers; but this is an untamed beast designed for the mean streets of Le Mans and the tight bends of Sebring, whose immense grip is yet not enough to keep a rein on its turbocharged power. All you can do is hang on for dear life while you blast away on the most extreme 911 ever sold, a car true to the spirit of GT racing of its time.
Goliath laptime: 13:07.521
Verdict: *life insurance needed, not included.
After the 993 was replaced by the liquid-cooled 996, the GT2 nameplate was in many ways replaced by the GT3. Less of a homologation special and more of a clubsport racer, the new lightweight, naturally aspired creature immediately found a place in the heart of Porsche purists and general car lovers all around the world. 2003 saw the introduction of the RS, an even more track-focused model which harkened back, in many ways, to the legendary Carrera RS.
The 991 GT3 RS takes thing a step further in the realm of "race car for the streets", featuring a 500 hp 4 l unit which already starred in the 997 RS 4.0 and is built on the same block as the racing engines found in the RSR cars which race at Le Mans. The adoption of a magnesium roof and several new carbon fiber parts allow for a mass reduction of ten kilograms over the "standard" GT3, and the PDK 7-gear sequential transmission and Torque Vectoring System have all been tuned for improved track use. The new, sculpted bodywork - which includes louvers behind the front fenders, and a Turbo-like intake in front of the rears - completes the package.
The result is a car which manages to convey the same directness as past iterations of the formula, while overally being much, much faster. Which is hardly surprising, in the end - after all, improving on an old recipe's what Porsche does best.
Goliath laptime: 11:26.220
Verdict: the fastest, the meanest, the best.
Another fantastic review and great pictures:tup:👍
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- Turku, Finland
I must say that this is a very nice add-on. Especially the oldie 550 Spyder which was my favourite car in Forza 6, so it is good to have that thing in FH3 too. After little upgrading it is reasonably fast too (top speed about 270 km/h, realistic? No way, but fun - YES!). And of course with classic "Gulf" painting. Panamera on the other hand is a modern car and therefore quite easy to drive and has good overall performance. It is possible that this beast will be my "modern" favourite. Other Porsches I have just tried very briefly, but I think there will be some hours fun with them in the future!
- 50
- United Kingdom
Thank you.
I'm really enjoying the GT3 RS. It's incredibly balanced, and whilst it's easy to drive quickly (which can get boring) it's great fun. Lower it, weight reduction mods and it's quickly becoming my favourite car.
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- Plymouth, UK
- motorforum
@ClydeYellow fantastic reviews as always and wow, that GT4 is quick! How's that for progress in 20 years, when the baby sports car is quicker than the top 911 of the 90s!
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- United Kingdom
- jwesson1
- This Bad Panda
2014 Porsche 918 Spyder
S2 - 969
Hyper Cars
Cr - 850.000
T - 1,700
POWER - 887hp
TORQUE - 1125Nm
WEIGHT - 1675kg
FRONT - 43%
DISPLACEMENT - 4,593
Here's some photo's of my Porsche 918, I decided to make a copy of the final 918 that rolled off the production line.
Article Here - https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/final-porsche-918-spyder
My attempt at an 'Arty Photo'
S2 - 969
Hyper Cars
Cr - 850.000
T - 1,700
POWER - 887hp
TORQUE - 1125Nm
WEIGHT - 1675kg
FRONT - 43%
DISPLACEMENT - 4,593
Here's some photo's of my Porsche 918, I decided to make a copy of the final 918 that rolled off the production line.
Article Here - https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/final-porsche-918-spyder
My attempt at an 'Arty Photo'
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