Porsche coupster hatchback (rumour)
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But there woud be little market room for a car like that with the Boxster and Cayman being about, let's face it, it's not going to be a practical car, and on the Boxster/Cayman chassis, it will be expensive. If Porsche do build a hot hatch, it will more than likely be front engined rwd and/or 4wd.
A new 944 or 928...cool.
FR, lots of engines to choose from, cheaper than the Boxster, lots of fun and quirky.
New 914...well, the base Cayman is a start, but I think a more downmarket MR platform would suit VW better.
Unless they make it really really light but underpowered, it will suffer the problem the Cayman is with the 911, they can't really go up with it.
FR, lots of engines to choose from, cheaper than the Boxster, lots of fun and quirky.
New 914...well, the base Cayman is a start, but I think a more downmarket MR platform would suit VW better.
Unless they make it really really light but underpowered, it will suffer the problem the Cayman is with the 911, they can't really go up with it.
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YSSMAN
You mean like the Touareg? If they go that far, then they're going to produce it anyway. Given the general press reaction to the Cayenne before official introduction, sales predictions couldn't have been more wrong. Around where I live, it seems to have outsold it's VW sibling by more than 2:1.
As for whether it dilutes the brand, it most definitely does. Probably more so than the Cayenne did. At least there was some legitimacy to being the "Porsche of SUVs", which it is, although more literally than figuratively. It's not much different than all the ricers with Type-R badges on their Nissans. They all aspire to the badge, regardless if they know what it really stands for, or if they can afford it.
But it's a rare irony that since the Beetle spawned the 356, it's only right that the long-lost descendant spawn a new Porsche. And as far as the badge is concerned, "If Porsche builds it, the public will buy it." It's only a matter of time before this wears out, though. It's a race to see which affects their image more: shared-platforms that threaten to make the badge meaningless, or their pure-hearted hardcore 911/Boxster/etc. machines that do nothing but strengthen the brand. It may eventually kill Porsche as we know it, but since VW started out as the true people's car (ironic, from such a fascist environment) profits have encouraged it to be what it is today. Where are the VW purists from 1966 on this board? Why does no one cry the loss of the VW Bus? Because the Passat is such a great car -- er, big seller.
After all, Porsche is a company, and any company's primary goal is to make money (to do else is pronounced "charity"). Given their profit margin and consecutive non-lossmaking years, I don't think Porsche gives a toss to what people think about what they do, since our actions are definitely speaking louder than our words.
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I don't cry for the loss of the Bus, because today's VW would probably sell it at a hefty price. VWs really haven't been "People's Cars" for quite a while. I'm actually glad that they're starting to focus their energy back on compacts and subcompacts again.
harry's right on one thing, Porsche will do what Porsche will do. Despite the complaining from purists, they've gone ahead with a ton of products that really aren't "Porsche".
It'd really say something about the Porsche-buying demographic if a transverse layout Porsche actually sells...
...hell, it probably will... as long as it's more expensive than a BMW 1-series.
harry's right on one thing, Porsche will do what Porsche will do. Despite the complaining from purists, they've gone ahead with a ton of products that really aren't "Porsche".
It'd really say something about the Porsche-buying demographic if a transverse layout Porsche actually sells...
...hell, it probably will... as long as it's more expensive than a BMW 1-series.
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My biggest problem with Porsche building a sport-compact car is the fact that we (based on the "photos") allready have the Audi A3 3.2 Quattro and VW R32, and given that both models will presumably be going with a 3.6L VR6 in the near future, Porsche is going to have to work very hard to create a performance difference between the three models.
I never said a word about the Gold chassis.
Though, VW did convert a couple of Mk IV's to RWD for that TF&F movie didn't they?
I meant Porsche and VW should do something like...chop the hell out of the Panamera chassis til it's short enough to be a hatchback, and stick those cool VR6 engines into it, along with a TSI and a TDI.
That's the thing that maddens me most about VW, they get some awesome engines, but I can't appreciate them because they're in such absolutely crap cars.
Though, VW did convert a couple of Mk IV's to RWD for that TF&F movie didn't they?
I meant Porsche and VW should do something like...chop the hell out of the Panamera chassis til it's short enough to be a hatchback, and stick those cool VR6 engines into it, along with a TSI and a TDI.
That's the thing that maddens me most about VW, they get some awesome engines, but I can't appreciate them because they're in such absolutely crap cars.
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The Panamera chassis, theoretically, would be underneath the long-rumored Passat "Coupe" that was origionally supposed to split the difference between the Passat 3.6 and Phaeton V8. Given that we still know very little about the Panamera, it is a tough call to make. But even then, such an extreme chop could almost be viewed as the new platform for the upcomming Scirocco coupe as well.
What engines are in bad cars? We unfortunately don't know if we will be getting the TSI any time soon, and as for the TDI, it is available in every model (comming after 2007 for the Rabbit). As for the VR6 engines, it is a bit of a point-and-shoot type deal for who gets what when and where, etc.
...I'm waiting for my own Jetta GLI VR6, but I'm becoming worried that it won't happen...
What engines are in bad cars? We unfortunately don't know if we will be getting the TSI any time soon, and as for the TDI, it is available in every model (comming after 2007 for the Rabbit). As for the VR6 engines, it is a bit of a point-and-shoot type deal for who gets what when and where, etc.
...I'm waiting for my own Jetta GLI VR6, but I'm becoming worried that it won't happen...
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YSSMAN
This redundancy bugs me all the time. In the States, it's not so bad since we've only got Audi & VW (and occasionally Porsche). But in Europe, there's the addition of Skoda and SEAT, who often drastically undercut VW on what is essentially the same car lineup. How can any of this be profitable? How do these dealerships maintain themselves without one killing the other?
And does the VW R32 really need improving? Okay, maybe a little, but it's a hell of a car, and it does VW justice as an R32 and Audi a good show as an S3. Why complicate things even more? Why is there a Q7? Why do I keep asking things no one listens to?
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I think they do it because they can, thats about it. They rely on brand loyalty and clever pricing/options lists to seperate the models that are technically the same underneath. Quite frankly, I couldn't fathom spending the money on the Audi A3 3.2 Quattro once the VW R32 comes Stateside. Granted of course, you get an extra pair of doors with the Audi, but thats how they make it so you choose the Audi version over the Vee-Dub.
As for the Q7, I'd say that it is an answer to a question few people asked. I still prefer the Allroad Quattro Wagon over the Q7, but now we have to worry about the likes of a Q5 and the possibility of a smaller SUV for Vee-Dub as well.
Why? Because they can...
Thankfully GM got the letter that badge engineering doesn't always work, and they are going to start trimming models from lineups very soon.
As for the Q7, I'd say that it is an answer to a question few people asked. I still prefer the Allroad Quattro Wagon over the Q7, but now we have to worry about the likes of a Q5 and the possibility of a smaller SUV for Vee-Dub as well.
Why? Because they can...
Thankfully GM got the letter that badge engineering doesn't always work, and they are going to start trimming models from lineups very soon.
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I hope audi dont make a Q5 or Q3 as it will be a pointless vehicle just like the X5 driven by idiotic people who try and come up with all different kinds of excuses to justify them buying a crappier version of the road cars just because its on stilts.
As for the badge engineering its working. The thing about VAG is that theyre quite open with it, and arent trying to fool anyone.
The skoda VRS range has quite a big following, people love the leon cupra R, its on par with the current gti, and it blew away the old GTI. Its more less frills than a GTI too, and people in the UK loved it. The new GTI is good, a comfortable yet very sporty car when pushed, and the audi equivelant is also a fun but more comfortable and luxuries option. If I was to buy one it would be the Seat.
As for the badge engineering its working. The thing about VAG is that theyre quite open with it, and arent trying to fool anyone.
The skoda VRS range has quite a big following, people love the leon cupra R, its on par with the current gti, and it blew away the old GTI. Its more less frills than a GTI too, and people in the UK loved it. The new GTI is good, a comfortable yet very sporty car when pushed, and the audi equivelant is also a fun but more comfortable and luxuries option. If I was to buy one it would be the Seat.
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But aren't the sales of the "lesser" brands higher than the premium brands? And if that's so, assuming the cars cost just about the same to produce (pretty much identical hardware, assembled to similar degrees of quality), isn't the profit loss ridiculous on the SEAT & Skoda lineups? This is what gets me. Why undercut yourself with not just one, but three other competitors?
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I really can't explain how Volkswagen, much less GM and Ford, etc can do things such as that and still make money.
I know that both Audi and VW sales were both up for the past month...
At the moment, the Audi A3 3.2 Quattro is baisically the R32 Five-Door that is not yet sold here (and may not be sold here), so there really isn't an overlap between the two cars. Assuming for a moment that VW imports Three-Door R32s only, they would presumably price it and thusly position it about a notch below the A3 3.2 Quattro, but above the A3 2.0T Five-Door as that would technically be a superior model to the VW GTI.
VW does it different, and it seems to work out allright. I'm sure this would be a better question for someone like Poverty, given his far stronger comprehension of the VAG workings than what I have...
To mention GM in this situation, consider the cases for the W-body (Impala, Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, LaCrosse). Given GM's wide range of what is baisically the same car over and over again, they seperate the models by offering greater standard features and slightly different performance at prices generally seperated by about $1000 to each model. The Chevrolets use lower-rung V6s and can be ordered with pretty baisic standard equipement, the Pontiac uses higher-output V6s with more "sporty" content with a few more standard features, and the Buick uses higher quality pieces and engines (CXL and CXS 3.6) in their models.
I know that both Audi and VW sales were both up for the past month...
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At the moment, the Audi A3 3.2 Quattro is baisically the R32 Five-Door that is not yet sold here (and may not be sold here), so there really isn't an overlap between the two cars. Assuming for a moment that VW imports Three-Door R32s only, they would presumably price it and thusly position it about a notch below the A3 3.2 Quattro, but above the A3 2.0T Five-Door as that would technically be a superior model to the VW GTI.
VW does it different, and it seems to work out allright. I'm sure this would be a better question for someone like Poverty, given his far stronger comprehension of the VAG workings than what I have...
To mention GM in this situation, consider the cases for the W-body (Impala, Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, LaCrosse). Given GM's wide range of what is baisically the same car over and over again, they seperate the models by offering greater standard features and slightly different performance at prices generally seperated by about $1000 to each model. The Chevrolets use lower-rung V6s and can be ordered with pretty baisic standard equipement, the Pontiac uses higher-output V6s with more "sporty" content with a few more standard features, and the Buick uses higher quality pieces and engines (CXL and CXS 3.6) in their models.
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Just wondering what you mean by "crap cars" exactly. I guess it is a matter of opinion. Everyone in my family owns a Volkswagen and we have yet to have any major problems. Mine is the oldest, a VR6 GTI with around 120K miles on the clock and it has not had any major problems to speak of, it was also made in Mexico, which I will admit didn't produce the most reliable VW products. I just simply wonder what drives you to call VW's "crap cars" and in comparison to what other car manufacturer. Bad experiences?
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Its all about the materials that are being used by the manufacturers.
Skoda is the budget VAG car, and comes with the bare minimum specs, although it does include such things as A/C electric windows etc. Its focus is to be a reliable and comfortable tourer with good MPG that is easy to drive. The cabins could be considered as bare.
Price ranges from £11,000 to £18,000. The car is the best in its class easily. The 200hp VRS costs £17,000, and is only availabe with four doors.
Right now prices range from £11,000 to £18,000, but once the range topper cupra arrives that coule be bumped up to £20,000.
This car competes doesnt compete with the skoda directly (the skoda is passat sized, the leon more jetta/golf sized), but is designed for people who prefer something sportier looking and to drive than the skoda models, as the skoda badge isnt for everyone, but more so for older people who dont care too much about image. So this car is aimed at youngsters, who are about to start, or have young families.
The skoda fabia competes directly with the seat ibiza, but like before and as the ibiza's name would suggest, the ibiza is aimed at the youngster, whilst the fabia at 35+ crowd.
The fabia and ibiza both at £7,500, whilst the skoda stops at £12,000 and the ibiza at £15,000.
Now for VW. The passat, which is more upscale to the octavia starts at £15k and finishes at £25k. The thing about the VW passat is that its quite a bit bigger, so if you have the money for it theres no reason why you should go for the octavia, unless it ticks all your boxes perfectly.
The golf and jetta compete with the seat leon. The VW's however are the classier options, whilst the seats could be considered the cheap sporting option. Price figures overlap throughout the range, but there are enough differences between models, giving people a wide VAG range and hence taking sales from the likes of vauxhall and ford.
Like take BMW. Wouldnt it be nice if they made cheaper cars that were similiar to the 3er and 1er. BMW itself would lose a couple sales, but gain a whole lot more. It works for the likes of toyota and lexus, except VAG has made sure to fill the voids between the top line and bottom line fully, unlike that of toyota and lexus, where there is a big gap in the quality of vehicle.
VW doesn't make anything that didn't start out FWD anymore, unless the Phaeton, which is absurd, is still alive.
Yet they charge money like you're getting a lot of car.
The styling ranges from boring to ugly.
They have awesome engines and transmissions.
Just seems like such a waste to me.
Yet they charge money like you're getting a lot of car.
The styling ranges from boring to ugly.
They have awesome engines and transmissions.
Just seems like such a waste to me.
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