[PRC] GT4 Parity Cup • DiscontinuedFinished 

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Look, I won't be able to come. As you probably don't know I have been on a day trip today getting pipe materials for a simul8r pvc project I'm gonna be doing for my G27. I'll try sometime to do something, but this was not the best timing!
 
Good to be racing with you guys again, the lotus took some time to become comfortable, but was good fun chasing down @amarynceos in the last race.

Clearly it needs to have some power cutting to get back to cap, but it looks to be the car for me :)

Unfortunately I didn't save the last replay, as there was some big slides from the lotus, and almost intentional drifts into turn 2.

I've had to peel myself out the chair tonight (leather and hot weather don't mix), I can only imagine how Amary must have been feeling after 5 hours!!!

Laters
 
Fortunately my racing chair isn't leather, but I was definitely feeling a bit worn out. Air conditioning and a fan kept me pretty cool despite the 95 degrees F (35 C) outside... which is about the coolest day we've had in the last two weeks! My arms are tired though.

Fun racing, I'm not entirely pleased my setup on the Toyota but I'll try to stick it out. I don't really know how I went almost a second faster than my testing times with 30 less hp than I was running -- dropped 10 hp for the first race and another 20 for the second. Definitely need to drop even more ponies!

Still thinking about the Camaro, but when I tested it, it was almost too good -- really balanced, easy to drive and gentle on its tyres. Almost felt like cheating driving it, maybe I just lucked into a sweet spot on the setup. The Toyota is much more of a challenge to get dialed in.
 
Sorry I couldn't be there today, but terrible traffic and weather (we're having some pretty strong storms) meant it took me about twice the time it takes me to get to my home from work.

Looking foward to be there on race 1.
 
Here is a small recap of the test session:

It went well, I think we gonna have a lot of fun with these GT4 cars! There was a small issue tho, about the mandatory pit stop in race 2: we didn't need to refill with fuel, thus we had a faster second stint with fresh tyres and a lighter car, which could result in huge penalties regarding the capped time.

We talked about a few ways to avoid such a problematic, here is a condensed version of the possibilities:
  • No mandatory stop. However pit stops add some fun and strategy in such a "long" race.
  • Very Fast tyre wear and fuel depletion, instead of Fast. That would require two stops instead of one, and we'd have to refill the tank, thus the difference between stint pace should be slighter.
  • We stick with one mandatory stop, and everyone must ensure that, even with low fuel and fresh tyres, he will never be too fast.
The last solution obviously requires more practice. This makes me think about another thing: we all have other hobbies, family life,... Sometimes, we don't have time to practice as much as we should (yesterday was a good example: @hobbsy, @amarynceos and I were about 1sec faster than the capped time, @Cu3e was .5s slower). Maybe we should race every two weeks? More time to practice, we could test with low fuel (after all, this is just about 20 minutes to get there)... Problem solved. What do you think?

Also, the formation lap was a bit messy in race 2, this is entirely my bad: the grid order is reversed from the results of race 1. Then the formation speed is about 60mph/100kph. Green flag is as soon as the leader finishes his lap (his time appears on screen).

Feel free to give me your thoughts about all this stuff! :)👍 If we need another test session, we can postpone the start of the season for one more week.

Laters
 
Just a thought. How about No mandatory stop and Very Fast tyre wear and fuel depletion.

In theory this could allow several strategies from 0 to 2 pitstops.

My tank was still half full at last lap of the second race. If Very Fast is double fuel consuption I might have been driving on fumes on last lap :) My worst tyre was at level 5. With very careful driving it might be possible to spare the tyres more.
 
It could be fun in a standard race, but wouldn't be fair in Parity Racing: you could setup your car to have less tyre wear and fuel depletion, thus need only one or even zero stop, and still be competitive by adding more HP to stay close of the capped time. I think we need to have the same pit stop policy for everyone.
 
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I'm thinking the best solution might be to keep the format the same and make sure to test with low fuel and fresh tyres. I think the best part of my too-high pace was increasing familiarity with the car and track combo; if we were to have done another race, I'm almost willing to bet I could have run those low 33s again.

More practice is key. I was just ill prepared.

I'm okay with racing either every week or every two weeks, I can find the time either way. What caught me out this time was spending all my time preparing for the Super GT series I'm trying not to embarrass myself in. Now that I've got my car mostly set up for that series, it won't eat so much of my racing time. 👍

(I got a podium in my first race btw. Woo!. I also spun out going in the pits under caution in the rain. Boo. )
 
Tijee
It could be fun in a standard race, but wouldn't be fair in Parity Racing: you could setup your car to have less tyre wear and fuel depletion, thus need only one or even zero stop, and still be competitive by adding more HP to stay close of the capped time. I think we need to have the same pit stop policy for everyone.
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Ok, never thought it that way... I just thought of Parity Racing a way to get a balanced grid of different car models. I never thought anyone would take advantage of the system. Just keep it simple and clear then 👍
 
I think if we want to do anything different with this championship, then we should seriously consider how we look at the cap time!
As great as it is to allow us all to be very. Closely matched and thus have competitive races, it also is a hindrance to allow any freedom with strategic racing (ie, pitstops)

The only thing I can think of is to have a post pit stop cap time... and set the depletion rate so that if an early pit stop was taken (and thus resulting quicker laps) then a second stop would be required, where someone who pits later could make it to the end with one stop!

Honesty though, I don't think this club is about that style of racing right now, and we have a bigger problem with attracting new racers, And currently small grids.

Just as an off-topic thought that might make a difference to the racing, have we considered success ballast before?
I think if once we have our cars dialled in, they don't change much throughout, so maybe we could publish our BoP settings, and then monitoring would be possible for the above!
This could mix things up a little?

Thoughts...
 
I would prefer if the cars would be fairly close tuned in a way that changes required to different tracks would be minimal. That would make the ballast idea also work better imho.

On other note. I have been playing with the idea of trying Stock Parity (again). This is what we tried with hobbsy's club long time ago and again in my All Japan Club... The concept would be Tuned Cars (Spoon, Mine, etc) against Super Cars (Ford GT '06, Ferrari etc...) All Premiums that run well with CS :drool: in my opinion CS racing is the closest to simracing that can be achieved in GT6 ;)


If this fits under the Parity Racing Club ideology I would be happy to share my data. Still lots of testing to do...
 
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Cu3e
On other note. I have been playing with the idea of trying Stock Parity (again). This is what we tried with hobbsy's club long time ago and again in my All Japan Club......
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I can quite remember this... was this the days of the Production Cup 450pp?
 
Tijee
@Cu3e I know you guys would not try to take advantage of the rules, but you never know... :rolleyes:
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The thing is, if you look at F1 for instance, everyone tries to get the best out of what they can play with within the limits of the rules!

So my point is people will naturally look for that advantage, if there is one to be gained. Some are just better at realizing/finding it than others!

So we need to establish the simplest, easy to follow, understand & police rule set...
 
hobbsy
Honesty though, I don't think this club is about that style of racing right now, and we have a bigger problem with attracting new racers, And currently small grids.
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100% agree, that's why I want to keep it simple as of now, with a minimalist set of rules.

hobbsy
Just as an off-topic thought that might make a difference to the racing, have we considered success ballast before?
I think if once we have our cars dialled in, they don't change much throughout, so maybe we could publish our BoP settings, and then monitoring would be possible for the above!
This could mix things up a little?
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I have. The problem is, our setup is likely to change depending on the track.

Cu3e
I would prefer if the cars would be fairly close tuned in a way that changes required to different tracks would be minimal. That would make the ballast idea also work better imho.
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This.

Cu3e
On other note. I have been playing with the idea of trying Stock Parity (again). This is what we tried with hobbsy's club long time ago and again in my All Japan Club... The concept would be Tuned Cars (Spoon, Mine, etc) against Super Cars (Ford GT '06, Ferrari etc...) All Premiums that run well with CS :drool: in my opinion CS racing is the closest to simracing that can be achieved in GT6 ;)


If this fits under the Parity Racing Club ideology I would be happy to share my data. Still lots of testing to do...
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Why not, but I'm more attracted by replicating real race series as of now. But I like the idea.
 
hobbsy
I can quite remember this... was this the days of the Production Cup 450pp?
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Yea, that was my first online club at gtp :)

I know it wasn't called Parity but I don't remember anyone picking the strongest cars or optimum PP. Instead people tried to match other people's speed.
 
Ok guys, I think I have to make a decision about that pit stop thing. I had a look to the DTM rules (I love this series :P), and it turns out to have a similar format to this GT4 Parity Cup:
- Race 1: 40 minutes, no mandatory pit stop
- Race 2: 60 minutes, one mandatory pit stop

I think we'll stick with something similar:
- Race 1: 10 minutes, no mandatory stop, time progression x4 and tyre wear / fuel depletion set to Very Fast. This is shorter than what we did on Friday, but I like the idea of a sprint race. Also, after 15 minutes my tyres were really too worn to enjoy the end of the race!
- Race 2: 30 minutes, 1 mandatory stop, time progression x2 and tyre wear / fuel depletion set to Fast. In order to keep it simple and don't kill strategy, the pit stop may be done at any time during the race. It is the responsibility of the driver to respect the capped time whatever his strategy, even on low fuel and fresh tyres. We could define two capped times for before and after the stop, but it would be more complicated and would require the same practice from the drivers. If you think you will not have time to practice much, it should be fine to target about 1 second above the capped time.

Any objection? :)
 
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Race Weekend #1​

Here we go, Round 1 of the GT4 Parity Cup will be this Friday at Brands Hatch. The capped time will be set to 1'29.000.

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Remember to test with a low fuel tank and fresh tyres!
 
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I did some testing with the Vantage, I was mid tank and about 8-9 of my RH tyres, after about 15 minutes with Very Fast wear.

I think we can easily switch to RM or even RS, depending on your driving style. Also, in race 2 with Fast depletion we should not need to refill (or just a little bit), meaning there is little chance that we have an empty tank with fresh tyres.

Anyway, you test and see :)
 
Did a test yesterday with the Maserati and with very fast wear I'm having problems to get to the capped time, best I managed to do was like a 28:6 with RM tyres.

With fast wear it was totally different. I managed to get under the capped time in only 3 laps with the same setup.

So, I'm still trying to figure out how to approach this race.
 
aruizb
Did a test yesterday with the Maserati and with very fast wear I'm having problems to get to the capped time, best I managed to do was like a 28:6 with RM tyres.

With fast wear it was totally different. I managed to get under the capped time in only 3 laps with the same setup.

So, I'm still trying to figure out how to approach this race.
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I did not expect such a difference between Fast and Very Fast wear. Anyway, the main goal of Parity Racing is... parity :) We can increase the capped time by 1 sec so everyone is comfortable.

Thus the capped time will be 1'29.000 (post #54 updated).
 
With this in mind, is the plan to be racing tomorrow night, or will it become a testing session?

Right now, I'm unsure if I can make the race tomorrow night as a few things are now up in the air!

Cheers,
 
hobbsy
With this in mind, is the plan to be racing tomorrow night, or will it become a testing session?

Right now, I'm unsure if I can make the race tomorrow night as a few things are now up in the air!

Cheers,
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If we're at least 4 contestants we'll race tomorrow night, otherwise it'll be in two weeks because I'll not be home next week.

Then I think we'll race every two weeks because I need time to test, find the right capped time, then you guys need time to find the right setup. One week (actually a few days like this week) of practice is way too short!
 
Round 1 Reminder

@jake2013guy @aruizb @Ray P 89 @Cu3e @amarynceos @Drex124 @Red_Bull_Pro @hobbsy

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Don't be that guy on the right...​

Gentlemen, the 1st round of this GT4 Parity Cup will take place tonight!

The room will open around 21:45 GMT for the warm-up. The 5 minutes qualifying session will start at 22:00, followed by two races of 10 and 30 minutes. You will have a few minutes between the two races in case you need to adjust your setup. Don't be late, we'll start on time (if ever you are late, you can still join the second race)!
  • Track: Brands Hatch
  • Capped time: 1'29.000
  • Max. 500bhp
  • Min. 1000kg
  • RH/RM/RS tyres (tyre wear will be very fast / fast)
  • All available aero parts required
  • Number plate required
  • All aids allowed
  • Do not cut corners and avoid contact

Considering the late change to the capped time (entirely my bad, sorry for that), if any of you guys does not feel ready and needs more time, we can postpone the race to July 31st. From now on, we'll race every two weeks to avoid such inconvenience.​
 

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