PS3+160GB+Yellow Dog Linux 5.0 (56k warning!!! Pics Inside)
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I have read reports of Gentoo being installed as well. There are even LiveCD's that they supposedly have working now, so if you don't want to 'install' Linux, simply boot it up from the CD if you want to play with it.
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Wow, I didn't realize the PS3 could do all that. What a machine. But when I get mine I'll probably just keep it for gaming and playing media. Hopefully the DVD player isn't as nnoying as the PS2's, with all that password stuff and parental levels and whatnot.
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Oh yeah, it's totally usable. For single application, not a problem. It starts to bog down when you have multiple programs running with multiple desktops loaded with screens. It doesn't take long to use up that limited amount of ram. Keep in mind, I'm running at 720p as it was a tad too laggy at 1080i.
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Nope, 2.5 HD only. You could take the connection end off of a broken laptop HD and wire up a harness to connect to a external 3.5 HD SATA but most people will frown on the idea of wires just coming out of a hole in the side of their PS3 going to a external HD.
They have 200GB HD's now, but the cost is certainly less for desktop 3.5 HD.
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I don't think I'm even going to get a bigger HDD when I put Linux on mine. First I wanna get a small Bluetooth keyboard (found one for a PDA that should work) and mouse first. Considering that you can choose between 10GB for PS3 OS or for Linux, I'll probably choose for Linux. If I need extra space, I'll hook up my iPod to it. I only have a 16GB home partition on my desktop and 6GB for my laptop (both running Ubuntu Edgy Eft as a secondary OS). I definitely don't see the need for a bigger HDD for a game console.
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So what you are trying to say is the speed of the 7200 doesnt really matter? I guess from what you say if I have a 5400 RPM HDD and a 7200 RPM HDD then there will be no difference in performance at all? The only thing will be more heat coming out of the 7200 RPM HDD?
I dont know where you heard of this from but do two things will ya?
1. Go to Google and search for the differences between a 5400 RPM HDD Vs. 7200 RPM HDD.
2. Now if you have extra cash or HDD's lying around go run some tests. Such as boot time, response when you have 7+ programs and swicth between each and record the differences you notice between the two.
Sorry if I sound like an A$$ but from my experiences 7200 RPM HDD has a noticable difference compared to 5400 RPM HDD. I have various HDD's lying around from 2.5" to 3.5" and of various brands such as Maxtor, WDC, Seagate, Fujistiusi (SP?) and Thinkstar or something like that...(IBM Branded I think)
Although I cant argue with you about the Heat or anything because all HDD's run hot and I dont think I have really ever bothered to feel the HDD after heavy usage of it or doing some tests from the bios on them.
Just my two Lincoln's
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Also believe it or not I dont have much luck with WDC as I had 2 40 gig HDD's die and had to throw them in the trash.
Also another note all of my HDD's are 100 gigs or less. About 2 years have been put on most.Also nice job Pako just wait for a year or two until they get better compability with the Cell processor. Its gonna be a killer machine man! Also ever heard of MythTV? You should try that for your PS3. I heard it works pretty well for the PS3.
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I've never heard of MythTV, looks pretty cool though. I am such a Linux noob that it's not even funny. I've SSH'ed into my web server for command line stuff for a few years, but never enough to feel fluent with any of it, plus I'm pretty familiar with DOS which only confuses the issue. 
Spin speed of a drive is an interesting thing. Spinning faster doesn't mean better performance that's detectable by the end user however read and write speed does. If you look at benchmarks, you can see close gaps between 5400 and 7200 RPM drives. Whether or not the difference is noticeable by the end-user is arguable, but as you said, run some real world tests is where it counts. I wish I had some 7200 rpm SATA laptop drives to test but laptop drives isn't something that I have laying around. Desktop drives is an all together different story.
Spin speed of a drive is an interesting thing. Spinning faster doesn't mean better performance that's detectable by the end user however read and write speed does. If you look at benchmarks, you can see close gaps between 5400 and 7200 RPM drives. Whether or not the difference is noticeable by the end-user is arguable, but as you said, run some real world tests is where it counts. I wish I had some 7200 rpm SATA laptop drives to test but laptop drives isn't something that I have laying around. Desktop drives is an all together different story.
Hmm, here's a test between a 5400 and 7200 RPM HDD on a PS3. And guess what, it agrees with me. The PS3 isn't the same as a PC.
And no, I'm not going to blow a ton of money to test something I shouldn't.
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I've never heard of MythTV, looks pretty cool though. I am such a Linux noob that it's not even funny. I've SSH'ed into my web server for command line stuff for a few years, but never enough to feel fluent with any of it, plus I'm pretty familiar with DOS which only confuses the issue.
Spin speed of a drive is an interesting thing. Spinning faster doesn't mean better performance that's detectable by the end user however read and write speed does. If you look at benchmarks, you can see close gaps between 5400 and 7200 RPM drives. Whether or not the difference is noticeable by the end-user is arguable, but as you said, run some real world tests is where it counts. I wish I had some 7200 rpm SATA laptop drives to test but laptop drives isn't something that I have laying around. Desktop drives is an all together different story.
Check this out. It tells you what you need and how to do it, if your interested.
http://ps3.qj.net/MythTV-on-your-PS3/pg/49/aid/79651
Ya I only have around 8-10 Laptop drives (Only two dont work but are lying around until I can think of what to do with them.)
I dont wanna make people think I am BSing as alot of people do on the net so here is just some of the HDD's that I found in my test/home server (once it gets up and running) computer. Its about a few Desktop HDD's and a few laptop HDD's.
I have more lying around but they are in the storage until I can move everything into the new house when it gets done in about feburary.
Here are some resized images.
I dont really wanna argue. I am just trying to say what I believe. But I am speaking in terms of using the HDD for movies, web, downloading huge files, and multitasking....not about copying the game or any thing like that. I agree that the HDD speed will not have much effect on the PS3 when copying games to it and so on because it states in the article you posted that the PS3's Blu Ray drive is "maybe" the problem of why there are long write times.
What I was meaning to talk about was using the PS3 HDD under the conditions such as those of a PC or Laptop. Also I am aware of the fact the PS4 is not a PC.
Another thing it doesnt really cost much for HDD's I bet you can pick up a few on ebay for dirt cheap. Although most of mine came from a few techies I know that dont know what to do with the extra HDD's.
I hope that clears up of a bit of what I meant.
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I am thinking about getting a PS3 this summer but I dont know what to do as I only play racing games and GT5 is the only reason I want one just as GT3 was for the PS2. I want to try out the F1 game, Motorstorm, and Dirt....oh and the new Sega rally game. Thats about it. Got Madden 07 to hold me down for now.
Pako have you tried Ubuntu? I think I read somewhere that it works well on the PS3...atlhough Yellow Dog would be best as it was made for the PS3 I think. Also have you tried any of the "homebrew" stuff such as emulators? I saw a video on QJ.NET of a guy playing Quake on his PS3 VIA Fedora Core but it was a bit laggy.
Also if you ever get bored have you should try installing Windows XP! I have seen it used VIA Fedora Core and Virtulazation program. Seems pretty interesting although I am not sure why you would want Windows of all OS's.
I would like to see how well OSX would run.....
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I am thinking about getting a PS3 this summer but I dont know what to do as I only play racing games and GT5 is the only reason I want one just as GT3 was for the PS2. I want to try out the F1 game, Motorstorm, and Dirt....oh and the new Sega rally game. Thats about it. Got Madden 07 to hold me down for now.
Pako have you tried Ubuntu? I think I read somewhere that it works well on the PS3...atlhough Yellow Dog would be best as it was made for the PS3 I think. Also have you tried any of the "homebrew" stuff such as emulators? I saw a video on QJ.NET of a guy playing Quake on his PS3 VIA Fedora Core but it was a bit laggy.
Also if you ever get bored have you should try installing Windows XP! I have seen it used VIA Fedora Core and Virtulazation program. Seems pretty interesting although I am not sure why you would want Windows of all OS's.
Sorry, didn't see your edit.
I have not tried any other distributions although we are seeing more and more flavors working on the PS3. Before I get too excited and start installing emulators and such, I'll let the hackers figure out how to optimize the use of the multi-cell platform. There's a lot of work to do and I certainly can't do it.
By the way, nice collection of Hard drives there.....
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So I downloaded it, installed it...and I'm completely lost. Since I only have an SDTV at the moment, I think I'm limited to ONLY text...which sucks. Oh well, soon enough I spose!
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Well, I've been running YDL 5.0 on my PS3 for while now with no issues, but for those who are more Linux savy than I, how do I install programs? Honestly, downloading RPM's and finding dependencies, compiling, etc.... I have no clue what I'm up against. Further more, I find that some applications come pre compiles for specific distros like Fedora, Gento, Umbutu, etc...can I expect to see YDL? Perhaps it's just my noobiness to Linux, but this seems rather difficult to make things happen other than what was pre-packaged in the OS install.
Any help would be appreciated and might give a redirect in the comp forum as well. We'll see how it goes.
Any help would be appreciated and might give a redirect in the comp forum as well. We'll see how it goes.
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I reckon No one should go for a 5400RPM Hard Drive with 2MB Cache, but like IGN said higher RPM’s bring higher temperatures, but it seems more Hard Drive companies are going to be finding ways to cut down on the heat. However 8MB Cache is the lowest cache people should aim to get with the lowest RPM they should go being 7,200 RPM.
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Maybe for a PC, but I doubt it makes a significant difference on a console - nor worth the extra cost.
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Are you on Yellow Dog? If so I think there is a command to open up the kde or gnome interface. I cant really tell since I have never tried yellow dog but try looking at their FAQ's. There should be a way to do the GUI even if your on a SDTV.
Well as I said earlier I have no clue how Yellow Dog is based but if its based off Fedora Core then consider yourself lucky. I heard it was based off Fedora Core but not 100% sure if its true. But if it is then just go to freshrpms.net for all your RPM's
Biggest RPM's collection on the web I believe and also safe. Another thing you got "yum" on there? Biggest RPM site : http://freshrpms.net/
Hope that helps man, take care. I will try to help as much as possible but I will be very busy so you might get a late answer.
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it is based off Red Hat! So are you ready to roll
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/faq/redhat.shtml
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Thanks bro, I appreciate the advise and links. Can I assume that RPM's are like M$ package .exe files?
Anyways...I have to be out of town until Friday, but will check it out when I get back. One thing I'm not sure of, I'm running YDL 5.0 and all the RPM's specific to YDL is for versions 4.0 and earlier. As 5.0 was built with the Cell architecture and the PS3 hardware in mind even though it's not using it to it's fullest.
Anyways,
Thanks again.
Anyways...I have to be out of town until Friday, but will check it out when I get back. One thing I'm not sure of, I'm running YDL 5.0 and all the RPM's specific to YDL is for versions 4.0 and earlier. As 5.0 was built with the Cell architecture and the PS3 hardware in mind even though it's not using it to it's fullest.
Anyways,
Thanks again.
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Are you on Yellow Dog? If so I think there is a command to open up the kde or gnome interface. I cant really tell since I have never tried yellow dog but try looking at their FAQ's. There should be a way to do the GUI even if your on a SDTV.
Well as I said earlier I have no clue how Yellow Dog is based but if its based off Fedora Core then consider yourself lucky. I heard it was based off Fedora Core but not 100% sure if its true. But if it is then just go to freshrpms.net for all your RPM's
Biggest RPM site : http://freshrpms.net/
Hope that helps man, take care. I will try to help as much as possible but I will be very busy so you might get a late answer.
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it is based off Red Hat! So are you ready to roll
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/faq/redhat.shtml
Wouldn't the software have to be PPC compatible? I'm pretty sure most redhat apps are written in x86?
Still trying to get my YDL to run on an SDTV, but little to no luck
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BTW, I've found some bits of info hinting at a relation, core-wise, between PowerPC64 and the PS3s processor, so you might look at some PowerPC-distribution options - they could suit the PS3's structure.
I remember installing Linux, both Debian and Fedore Core 3. Was a bit tough, but I remember that "yum" tool for FC3 made everything easy as pie. Dropped the system after my modem didn't support it...
I remember installing Linux, both Debian and Fedore Core 3. Was a bit tough, but I remember that "yum" tool for FC3 made everything easy as pie. Dropped the system after my modem didn't support it...
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