PURE | JGTS - Going on strong and adapting in the face of change!

[Denilson]

Pag: I'll do my best.. I aim to keep it up.. Depends much on my time though..

The initial goal is to do 1 interview/week. Not neccesseraly with the winner. But as a first interview, Adam was a good "victim"..

 

[The Outlaw]

So what kind of weight penalty am I looking at for the next race, if any? I was going to do a bit of early testing for the race at Spa and just wanted to get the specs finalized so I can work on my setup.

Thanks for any help

 

[Denilson]

3rd place equals 20 kg ballast..
When missing out on the podium, 20 kg from your accumulated ballast is removed.
So in The Outlaw's case, a missed podium merns no ballast for round 3.. Clear enough?

 

[The Outlaw]

3rd place equals 20 kg ballast..
When missing out on the podium, 20 kg from your accumulated ballast is removed.
So in The Outlaw's case, a missed podium merns no ballast for round 3.. Clear enough?

Thanks mate And what was the maximum ballast btw...I think remember reading 120kg somewhere in this thread ?

After realizing this - I think there isn't enough value placed on winning a race or even scoring a podium though. Between the tight/linear points spread down the order and the fact that you can potentially be forced to carry 120kg (if that's what the max is)for winning races and scoring podiums...there isn't always a whole lot of incentive (or at least as much as there should be) to win races & score podiums in many cases.

This is just my opinion on the matter (the Championship is your's afterall), but I think things have maybe been taken a bit too far in order to make the Championship as competitive as possible between the top 6-8 drivers. Regardless, I have no problem running the C'ship though...it might just require an unusual strategy at times

Edit: Also, I'm currently sitting 5th in the points after round 1. I placed 3rd in the feature race, but I am still stuck with a 20kg penalty despite my poor performance in the sprint race? Wouldn't it make more sense to at least hand out or deduce ballast based on the accumulated results/points (from the feature race & sprint race) from each round...and not just from the feature race?

 

[Denilson]

Well, if 20/40/60 kg is though.. It's as though for the next group in line..
And if the system is that tough, the winners from round 1 Will be back on track..

And with in mind that 100kg would equal about 1 sec, I think we're at a perfect limit..

Ballast cap is at 100 kg by the way..

Hope that made sence.. 👍

Cheers

 

[The Outlaw]

Well, if 20/40/60 kg is though.. It's as though for the next group in line..
And if the system is that tough, the winners from round 1 Will be back on track..

And with in mind that 100kg would equal about 1 sec, I think we're at a perfect limit..

Ballast cap is at 100 kg by the way..

Hope that made sence.. 👍

Cheers

I think for the most part you're right, and I was a bit short sided in my view really. Athough I still think it may be a bit too much of a revolving door, continually making things tougher for the podium finishers (and particularly a race winner, who can be stuck with a certain level of ballast for up to 5 races...despite maybe having 5 previous races that were absolutely horrible).

As you say/imply, in the end it's an even playing field for all, with the same regulations regardless - it's just going to be a matter of how you play the game/system in the way that will benefit your title hopes the most 💡

Also, I think you may have missed this question/issue I brought up (due to some late editing by yours truly ).

Edit: Also, I'm currently sitting 5th in the points after round 1. I placed 3rd in the feature race, but I am still stuck with a 20kg penalty despite my poor performance in the sprint race? Wouldn't it make more sense to at least hand out or deduce ballast based on the accumulated results/points (from the feature race & sprint race) from each round...and not just from the feature race?

 

[Wardez]

Yeah Brock that does make a lot more sense. So it would be the three overall finishers that get ballast in DH races:
Aderrrm
bluesix
SuperSic

 

[The Outlaw]

Yeah Brock that does make a lot more sense. So it would be the three overall finishers that get ballast in DH races:
Aderrrm
bluesix
SuperSic

Thanks for taking my opinion into account Eddie I didn't really bring it up so much for the benefit of myself at the current moment in time (going into the next race), but moreso for the good of the Championship of course, and any strange predicaments (where say 1 guy is loaded up with 100kg of ballast despite being 5th in the Championship and always having bad luck in sprint races) we might run into down the line when it may be too late to adjust/change the rules.

 

[CSLACR]

I think for the most part you're right, and I was a bit short sided in my view really. Athough I still think it may be a bit too much of a revolving door, continually making things tougher for the podium finishers (and particularly a race winner, who can be stuck with a certain level of ballast for up to 5 races...despite maybe having 5 previous races that were absolutely horrible).

As you say/imply, in the end it's an even playing field for all, with the same regulations regardless - it's just going to be a matter of how you play the game/system in the way that will benefit your title hopes the most 💡

Also, I think you may have missed this question/issue I brought up (due to some late editing by yours truly ).

Edit: Also, I'm currently sitting 5th in the points after round 1. I placed 3rd in the feature race, but I am still stuck with a 20kg penalty despite my poor performance in the sprint race? Wouldn't it make more sense to at least hand out or deduce ballast based on the accumulated results/points (from the feature race & sprint race) from each round...and not just from the feature race?

Yeah Brock that does make a lot more sense. So it would be the three overall finishers that get ballast in DH races:
Aderrrm
bluesix
SuperSic

I agree, otherwise strange schemes to win the points championship will certainly come into play.

 

[redreevos]

Also, I'm currently sitting 5th in the points after round 1. I placed 3rd in the feature race, but I am still stuck with a 20kg penalty despite my poor performance in the sprint race? Wouldn't it make more sense to at least hand out or deduce ballast based on the accumulated results/points (from the feature race & sprint race) from each round...and not just from the feature race?

Hmmm. A new wrinkle from last season in WSGTC. We didn't run the sprint race after, so we never ran into this. I think this is a very good point. It makes sense that the top 3 point scorers for the week would get the ballast.

Or maybe a little lower than current ballast added to the feature race podium finishers, leaving some ballast to be added to the sprint race winners. Maybe something like this?:

Feature race:
Winner 50Kg
Second 30Kg
Third 10Kg

Sprint race:
Winner 15Kg
Second 10Kg
Third 5Kg

Obviously the numbers would have to be discussed between Dennis and Eddie. But this is an option to both the current format, and the ballast going to the weekly overall podium finishers. I personally like either of the new methods better than the current.

The downside to my suggestion of course, is that the separate ballast amounts make for more work for the admins. I am sure it is tough enough to keep up with 3 weight changes a week, let alone a possible of 5 or 6.

 

[CSLACR]

Hmmm. A new wrinkle from last season in WSGTC. We didn't run the sprint race after, so we never ran into this. I think this is a very good point. It makes sense that the top 3 point scorers for the week would get the ballast.

Or maybe a little lower than current ballast added to the feature race podium finishers, leaving some ballast to be added to the sprint race winners. Maybe something like this?:

Feature race:
Winner 50Kg
Second 30Kg
Third 10Kg

Sprint race:
Winner 15Kg
Second 10Kg
Third 5Kg

Obviously the numbers would have to be discussed between Dennis and Eddie. But this is an option to both the current format, and the ballast going to the weekly overall podium finishers. I personally like either of the new methods better than the current.

The downside to my suggestion of course, is that the separate ballast amounts make for more work for the admins. I am sure it is tough enough to keep up with 3 weight changes a week, let alone a possible of 5 or 6.

My first thought, is half points = half ballast.

Feature race:
Winner 60Kg
Second 40Kg
Third 20Kg

Sprint race:
Winner 30Kg
Second 20Kg
Third 10Kg

I do agree it would be easier to just nail the top 3 points leaders from the combined races though.👍

 

[Denilson]

Yes, it does make sence that ballast is applyed to the top 3 overall finishers from round 1..

Part, this is what we wanted input on during our discussions prior round 1.. But we're still early enough in the chip to make an adjustment imo..

Edit: I'm drunk as ****, so please leave my stupid comments for later..

 

[redreevos]

Yes, it does make sence that ballast is applyed to the top 3 overall finishers from round 1..

Part, this is what we wanted input on during our discussions prior round 1.. But we're still early enough in the chip to make an adjustment imo..

I just think it is inherent that a few things will always slip through the cracks. I know I never thought about it. Its a tough one to foresee, the pre-season races obviously don't help with the scoring. It would take someone that has been in a series that has both dual heats, and ballast added.

Edit - Lol on the edit Dennis. No issues with your comments. Let me know though, I can edit out your quote, or change my reply accordingly.

 

[Denilson]

Looll.. **** it!! I'll b back on tomorrow..

 

[redreevos]

Have a brew for me as well.

 

[Denilson]

Believe me.. I WILL!!!

Love you man!!

 

[paulmac2k9]

Denilson you must be enjoying yourself with all your love sharing

 

[CSLACR]

Believe me.. I WILL!!!

Love you man!!

He is drunk!


Literally.

 

[Denilson]

I love you all.. Or "yall", however you put it..

I truly love all of you, and hope we as a group Will experiance awesom racing together in the upcomming events..

 

[CSLACR]

Maybe we can be like the shovin' buddies.

 

[Wardez]

Shovin' buddies yeah! ON the track!
btw I am not drunk >.>

 

[OwensRacing]

Awesome!!!!

 

[CSLACR]

Shovin' buddies yeah! ON the track!
btw I am not drunk >.>

 

[RIP_Welsh_Don]

Had a few laps at Spa tonight with a best lap of 2'14.7xx. Plenty left out there so we'll see if we can improve over the next week or so. Just thought I'd throw it out there for interest

 

[Denilson]

Back, and sober..

Yes, top 3 with both races counted for will be applyed ballast.
60/40/20 kg respectively.

Sounds fair?

 

[GV27]

Sounds good to me 👍 . And great read on that interview, too!!

 

[WiiFreak]

Back, and sober..

Yes, top 3 with both races counted for will be applyed ballast.
60/40/20 kg respectively.

Sounds fair?

Since me and tony are tied for 3rd, will we both be getting 20kg of ballast? Or is there some sort of tie breaker?

 

[Denilson]

Yes, I noticed that..

I'm not sure.. But since we treat the weekend as one race I think the right thing would be that both of you get 20kg added.

Thoughts?

 

[OwensRacing]

Yes, I noticed that..

I'm not sure.. But since we treat the weekend as one race I think the right thing would be that both of you get 20kg added.

Thoughts?

This makes sense. I tried to see how you could decide who. But it reality they are on a level plain at the 20kg ballast spot. So both take it. This way it fair for both next week to see who can break the tie.

Happy Thanksgiving to all. Hope everyone gets a belly full of good food with family and friends.

 

[Wardez]

I whole heartedly agree with Owens. Happy Thanksgiving to every one! I'm off on my road trip to California now so I'll be checking the forums in-frequently, see you all on Sunday 👍