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Both images are from inside a M6 GT3. First one is from GTS, second is real life. I thought it was rather obvious.I think he meant the first view, which looks like it is from GT Sport, given the timer in the middle of the screen
Both images are from inside a M6 GT3. First one is from GTS, second is real life. I thought it was rather obvious.I think he meant the first view, which looks like it is from GT Sport, given the timer in the middle of the screen
Just a lobby option, other games have it if I remember correctly. So if people want to run a "real settings" lobby / user-made race series they have the option to restrict the camera. The game currently lets you set the car aid levels, etc, so would be a good addition.For who? If you like cockpit, you get to use it. If you don't, it's forced down your throat. How is that a "great option"?
This is possibly the one thing that takes the shine off this game for me, because I'm more of a sim racing purist (and I know there are some others on here too), I drive every car from cockpit view. It's authentic, immersive, and this game in particular offers probably the best visually modelled cockpit views. I've been racing cockpit view for many years so it's quite instinctive. I know I sacrifice a small amount of time against others this way but generally I can hold my own easily. When it comes to the faster players out there, it does become a bit uncompetitive though, and most of the opposition do not race in this view because the general online mentality is to gain maximum advantage over any other factor.
People I race with have said they have tried cockpit view but can't get used to it. This is probably because too many alternative views are offered. I know GT Sport isn't exactly a hardcore sim but back in the day when Geoff Crammond released his F1 games, there was ONLY cockpit view, and everyone had to use it. That may be too much to deal with for todays gamers but very least we should have an option to lock the view in a lobby like Project Cars does, and offer bigger rewards to those who use this view, to encourage more people to play the way it should be played.
I know some will say they want to be allowed to use what ever view they want etc etc but frankly it's way too easy with an external view but because most people use that, it eventually forces us all to, if you really want to compete, and that is unfortunate I think because it kind of renders the cockpit view as pointless.
It's just my personal thing at the end of the day because I feel that cockpit view isn't really catered for, for players that want to use it - against other players using it because the masses are all using bumper view or the dial view. How many real life racing drivers sit on the bonnet of their cars or on the roof to drive...of course you would get a better view, but it's bit bogus really, it just feels like an acrcade game to me in those views.
If you could lock it, or there were lobby's just for cockpit view, you would know everyone has the same deal. I know the more sim orientated players will sympathise with me on this.
The seat position is not the issue with GTS's camera. Its that for the vast majority of screen / distance combinations the angle is far wider than a driver would realistically see.Not even close
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Saying your view from the cockpit in GTS isn't more restricted than in real life is just silly.
This is basically cockpit view in GTS:
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No it wouldn't
The seat position is not the issue with GTS's camera. Its that for the vast majority of screen / distance combinations the angle is far wider than a driver would realistically see.
Even the real world shot you have included is not even close to the view a driver would have in reality.
This is a rough breakdown of human fields of view.
The real car shot is a lot wider than the 60 degree 3D field of view most humans have, and a lot wider than the 30degree field of view than humans focus on.
The default FOV on most titles is around 80 to 90 degree (horizontal), which provides a nice wide view, but messes with corner radius perception, flattens elevations and would only be right if you were sat around two and a half feet from a 100" screen (as you would then need to move your head to see the peripheral parts.
GTS is not alone in this, most console titles have a default FOV that is too wide for the majority of peoples set-ups, and unfortunately far, far too few titles on console allow you to adjust your FOV.
This video explains why this is the case (note it is based around PC titles):
and for those titles you can adjust FOV for, this calculator allows you to get it set correctly.
http://www.projectimmersion.com/fov/index.php
This thread however has given my an idea for a video, I'm going to take a look at how the FOV affects corner radius perception and elevation, as well as the current state of FOV options for PS4 titles.
They are, and are on a horizontal scale, while ACs are again in degrees but are on a vertical scale.Can you confirm if the FOV number settings in PCARS2 are the exact degree amounts? I've always been curious about that.
I've come to learn over the years that majority of people don't like a challenge when it comes to online racing. They want the easiest view with the stickiest tires with unrealistic driving assist.
This covers it pretty much. The cockpit view option in all GT games so far is the very definition of arcade and the very opposite of sim. Other games like AC or PC1/2 offer and embarassing level of options from both cockpit and other views, to enable users to customize their experience and make it comfortable and efficient. The lack of an FOV adjustment alone ruins the cockpit view option in GTS. I'd have no trouble with having it forced on as an option in a private lobby but not in Sport Mode, at least not until it's brought up to par with other games.Cockpit view in GT is ridiculous. In PC2 I only use cockpit view because you can tweak it like you want and the FOV is way better.
In real life you have periferal vision while driving a car. In GTS you lose all of that and driving door to door with someone else is way more difficult than IRL or other games ftm.
Have you tried driving the 919 in cockpit view? Each time you turn the wheel, the hands block your view completely.
I'd be OK with the option to allow cockpit only in lobbies but not in sport mode.
In lobbies, perhaps, in Sport mode? I don't think so.
The whole point of sport mode is the challenge (ignoring the glitchers).
Awesome. I'm using a 32" screen and my eyes when in rig are also 45" away. I wonder what my FOV should be. I can't use the site becuase my computer can't use the version of Adobe it needs.They are, and are on a horizontal scale, while ACs are again in degrees but are on a vertical scale.
As an example I have a 50" screen, and my eyes (when I'm sat in the rig) are 45" from it. as such my FOV in PC2 is 52 degrees horizontal, while in AC its 31 degrees vertical.
pretty much thismajority of people don't like a challenge when it comes to online racing. They want the easiest view with the stickiest tires with unrealistic driving assist.
pretty much this
Absolutely disagree. I get that you are saying it is more realistic but it's so restrictive in comparison to being in a real cockpit where you can see 3 mirrors and have a peripheral vision out of your side windows, can quickly glance etc. I use chase cam as I need to see what and who is around me, as well as the angle of the car. Being a pad user, you get basically no feedback as to what direction the car is in and if it is losing traction. In cockpit view it's basically like trying to drive a car looking through a postbox.
Fair enough if you want 'cockpit only' lobbies, but forcibly restricting Sport Mode races would be unfair.
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should be 35° hfov or 20° vfov you need to get closer to your screenRead my edit
Or the screen needs to be much bigger. I can't really move my TV... lolshould be 35° hfov or 20° vfov you need to get closer to your screen
Can't disagree more that it's crap with a single screen. I made the switch to cockpit with a single 60" screen and never looked back. With the right tools in game you are fully aware of what's going on around you. I'm using triples now and agree it's much better, being able to simply glance left and right and see the car mirror is great, but I had no trouble racing or being fast when I had a single screen and for me the immersion was much higher. Realism is a bit of a red herring for comparison since you're sitting in your living room in a comfy chair and likely with a plastic wheel in front of you.Cockpit view without VR or 3 screens is crap.
It is not realistic at all, to anyone who has driven a car in real life.
I've come to learn over the years that majority of people don't like a challenge when it comes to online racing. They want the easiest view with the stickiest tires with unrealistic driving assist.
The great thing about lobbies is you can force people to drive without those crutches and make the racing much more challenging.
I fully agree with you that the option for cockpit view only should be added to the lobby features. It's one of the best views to drive from and really makes you become a better driver. Now in GTS they have added the sun glare on the front window and depending on the time of day it can be a real challenge to see out of.
I'm all for it and I would definitely seek out those type of view races only.
I dont think iRacing members complain about the "cockpit" view (or AC or Pcars for that matter) the same way GTS players do.
Since I could be considered a "purist" (I always use "cockpit") I think that forcing that view in Sport mode is not a good idea for these reasons:
a. Most GTS players are not "hardcore sim" players.They dont like the cockpit view and they will never like it.Either way the majority of GTS players do not use it and would not accept getting forced to use it.
b. They way that view is designed by PD is so poor that even some "hardcore" sim players will option not to use it (yes its that bad).
c. There are various camera views in games for a simple reason: people can use the one they prefer.You cannot give 5 different options but then say "You can only use one of those".If PD wanted to create a more "hardcore" experience,apart from other things,they should have just created only one view.
So even if I personally would be fine with "cockpit" view only,at this point I dont find it a good idea.
I've driven plenty of cars in real life over the last 30 years, cockpit view with a single screen is a long way from crap or unrealistic, if you get your FOV right.Cockpit view without VR or 3 screens is crap.
It is not realistic at all, to anyone who has driven a car in real life.
Perfect excuse for a bigger screenOr the screen needs to be much bigger. I can't really move my TV... lol
Thanks for the info tho