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I saw this on Yahoo!

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A 17-year-old passenger inadvertently caused a scare aboard a US Airways flight from New York to Louisville on Thursday morning. The young flyer, an Orthodox Jew, was wearing an article of clothing that some on the plane feared might be an explosive device.

In reality, it was a simple religious item called phylacteries. Here's what happened. According to Reuters, another passenger mistook the phylacteries, also called a tefillin in Hebrew, for a bomb. Phylacteries consist of two leather boxes with straps attached. "Observant Jewish men are required to place one box on their head and tie the other one on their arm each weekday morning."

When the alarmed passenger saw the phylacteries, he alerted the crew, and the plane was immediately diverted to Philadelphia. Once on the ground, authorities questioned the boy, and quickly determined the incident had been a false alarm. No arrests were made.

In the wake of the news, online searches on both "phylactery" and "tefillin" both surged from nothing into breakout status. Other related queries also quickly popped up. "What is a phylactery" and "tefillin pictures" were on top of peoples' minds. Those who researched the religious item learned that the phylactery boxes contain prayers inside them. You can see an image here, courtesy of Wikipedia.

This most recent scare clearly highlights the need for more cultural understanding. However, it isn't the first time an innocent gesture has sent flyers into a full-blown alert. Following the Christmas Day scare in which a passenger tried to detonate a bomb on a flight, there have been several false alarms.

A few weeks ago, a man snuck into a secure area to give his special lady a goodbye kiss, causing the entire Newark airport to temporarily shut down. Several days prior to that, an ill passenger who had locked himself in an airplane restroom for over an hour caused no small amount of alarm. Fortunately, he posed absolutely no threat.

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I'm really starting to think the terrorists have won. I mean this is how we react after a botched terror attempt that wasn't even a result of our security. Crap like this just makes me wonder how long will it be until we have to travel with clothes and luggage supplied by the government at the airport.:rolleyes:
 
Unfortunately, by sacrificing liberties and living in a state of 'vigilance' (or - more cynically - 'paranoia'), we are already losing the 'War on Terror'. It's pretty hard to defend liberty when you give it up in the fight (which is pertaining more to the recent inclusion of full-body scanners in airports, by the way, as much as the general level of disruption of privacy and peace in the West).

If we focus on the word 'terror', perhaps more precisely than the 'brand-makers' in the White House intended (though not necessarily with a JFK-conspiracy mindset), we find that terror is a state of mind, and not an army. We are constantly terrified of attacks happening, therefore our own self-determined enemy is winning! How do you fight an enemy who has become shapeless and intangible?

Our military and political leaders have failed the first requirement of effective warfare; a clear and precise objective.

What have the terrorists really done in the West? 9/11, 7/7 (by different people) and a few 'foiled plots' that we know nothing about. Since then, splinter cells have done the rest, with suicide bombers, IEDs and ceremonial executions to keep us all on our toes. Fanatics have been brainwashed with 90% truth, probably, and so they go and kill themselves, hoping for Virgins and a spot at the dinner table with Allah.

People are freaking out, and really, no matter how tight you make (in this case, airport) security, you'll probably never completely secure anything. So the whole methodology is a waste of time because we're clearly going about this the wrong way. Don't even mention the 'we'll find Osama Bin Laden' debacle to me. By doing things like trying to smash anyone and everyone, we're doing 75% of the work FOR the enemy (whoever that is)! If that's not effective warfare, I don't know what is.

RANT OVER

PS I say is winning (and not has won), by the way, because almost nothing in war is ever absolute. Total annihilation aside, there's always a way back in war.

PPS Yes, I see the irony, thank you.
 
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How do you fight an enemy who has become shapeless and intangible?








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Who ya gonna call? :lol:! Good one, dude.

Unfortunately, I think a few people are going to do jumbo tefillin for halloween this year. Black shoebox on head ftw.
 
:lol: Thats a good one... Maybe if people got off their asses and enlightened themselves, this stuff would be reduced to a minimum...
 
So, wait...

We're saying a religious fundamentalist with a box on his head and another on his arm can't be a terrorist?
 
So, wait...

We're saying a religious fundamentalist with a box on his head and another on his arm can't be a terrorist?

Who said he was a fundamentalist?

And who says you can't be a terrorist?

You know, you've been saying some very suspicious things lately.
 
My initial response is that it's better to be safe than sorry. Those two items would have hopefully been checked properly before he got onto the plane. I can understand people being slightly paranoid. At least the public are vigilant enough to alert the crew.
 
When the alarmed passenger saw the phylacteries, he alerted the crew, and the plane was immediately diverted to Philadelphia
I'm still trying to figure out how this was meant to deter a would-be suicide bomber from detonating his explosives...
 
I'm still trying to figure out how this was meant to deter a would-be suicide bomber from detonating his explosives...

Maybe they thought he might want to do some sightseeing in Philadelphia?
 
I agree this was definitely a knee jerk reaction and cultural sensitivity on the part of the airline employees could have prevented anything beyond the other passenger's notifying the attendant. But, not knowing what it was they chose to err on the side of caution. If it had been some sort of bomb then people would be yammering on about how our security failed.

That said, it seems like the simple fact that the guy got through security with a box strapped to his head (unless he put it on while on the plane) should be a sign to all that it is fine. Perhaps there is some way that security could stamp a person's boarding pass or apply a tag to an odd-looking object to notify flight crews that despite its odd appearance it has been checked. I am kind of thinking about when I take a return to a store someone will mark it as a return as I walk in to notify loss prevention without them having to check it.

I'm still trying to figure out how this was meant to deter a would-be suicide bomber from detonating his explosives...
Details are short on what happened on board. If there is an air marshal then they will likely position themselves to watch the passenger in question, or even go ahead and detain him/her. Landing at the nearest airport is to get out of the sky as quickly as possible in order to separate the possible threat from everyone else before he/she chooses to do something, and limiting the amount of time that person has to do whatever it is they plan to do. If he was not already detained by an air marshal he was likely pulled aside as the passengers were exiting the plane.
 
if we are soo easily scared, the damn terrorist succeded. it's like no going to toillets before landing. Hahaha. yeah they gonna explode it on the airstrip that is so effective...

next we will double duck tape the lagguage disposal on airplanes. That would keep them of. i saw so many reports on how easy the security on airport is to bypass. Reporters disguised as pilots and stewardess, without the bagdes, were let in by the security without questioning.....

a few years ago, i took an us plan and got an question form to answer: do you intend terrorist acts, do you have arms on yourself,....... So stupid.

Don't get me wrong, the need high level security but till now they suck more the normal passenger than have effecient methods to prevent thing like it happend 2 days ago on a german airport.

it's silly because there are so many ways to harm us (or to take down a plane) that it is impossible to protect us all from everything without cutting in our freedom rights. And I am under no circumstances agreeable on giving back some of my freedoms because of some stupid ********s that think in heaven, a dozond of virgins would wait (nowadays there are no virgins anymore :D). like in breaveheart :FREEDOM.
 
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Details are short on what happened on board. If there is an air marshal then they will likely position themselves to watch the passenger in question, or even go ahead and detain him/her. Landing at the nearest airport is to get out of the sky as quickly as possible in order to separate the possible threat from everyone else before he/she chooses to do something, and limiting the amount of time that person has to do whatever it is they plan to do. If he was not already detained by an air marshal he was likely pulled aside as the passengers were exiting the plane.
Twas a joke, but thanks for the explanation anyway ;)👍

Maybe they thought he might want to do some sightseeing in Philadelphia?
Yes, where better to take a suicide bomber than the City of Brotherly Love? :lol:

Can you just picture the scene:

"Cap'n, we have a 1246 on board!"
"A 1246, eh?!..."
*Cap'n sneekily consults his Pilot's Secret Code Book*
"...Orthodox Jew carrying a Suspect Device?! Quick, to the City of Brotherly Love with him!"
*Cue music*
 
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I was going to add "Perhaps they thought his mom would get scared", but then SRS happened.
 
My initial response is that it's better to be safe than sorry. Those two items would have hopefully been checked properly before he got onto the plane. I can understand people being slightly paranoid. At least the public are vigilant enough to alert the crew.

Yeah, Airport security should put those red stickers on them that says "Bomb Inspection PASSED" so when passengers see it they can assume it's safe to say it's not going to blowup. :dopey::crazy::scared:
 
Surely if you were going to blow up anything, you'd put the explosives in a slightly less visible place than in a box, on your forehead...
 
Yeah, Airport security should put those red stickers on them that says "Bomb Inspection PASSED" so when passengers see it they can assume it's safe to say it's not going to blowup. :dopey::crazy::scared:
Or a sticker saying "THIS IS NOT A BOMB"... but then people would freak out, because they would think you were being sarcastic.

Surely if you were going to blow up anything, you'd put the explosives in a slightly less visible place than in a box, on your forehead...
:lol: Now that's funny!
 
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This most recent scare clearly highlights the need for more cultural understanding.

Yea, people need to understand culturally that carrying a mysterious box or two on a plane and holding it in your lap A MONTH after an attempted plane bombing is going to freak people the hell out.

It's been a little while and you STILL can't fly a 747 near buildings in New York (Mr. President - or was it just the First Lady... matters not). People don't take this stuff lightly, and they shouldn't.

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an ill passenger who had locked himself in an airplane restroom for over an hour caused no small amount of alarm. Fortunately, he posed absolutely no threat.

...except for the STINK BOMB!

Somebody had to say it
 
bETWEEN doing nothing, overacting, isolating people in a room, it seems that the officials of this country are having a hard time satisfying everyone...

... they need more training in "customer satisfaction"
 
Yea, people need to understand culturally that carrying a mysterious box or two on a plane and holding it in your lap A MONTH after an attempted plane bombing is going to freak people the hell out.

It's been a little while and you STILL can't fly a 747 near buildings in New York... Mr. President. People don't take this stuff lightly, and they shouldn't.

Will it freak people out, yes. Than again I'm convinced a great majority of Americans lack common sense.

Lets just have a little run down from what little we know.
1) He was wearing a box on his forehead(the most visible place on your body)
2) He made it through security, the terminals and was allowed on the plane.

Now obviously I wasn't there but I would guess it was checked multiple times before he got on the plane. It's amazing what can happen if people would just stop and think for 2 seconds.
 
Will it freak people out, yes. Than again I'm convinced a great majority of Americans lack common sense.

Lets just have a little run down from what little we know.
1) He was wearing a box on his forehead(the most visible place on your body)
2) He made it through security, the terminals and was allowed on the plane.

Now obviously I wasn't there but I would guess it was checked multiple times before he got on the plane. It's amazing what can happen if people would just stop and think for 2 seconds.

Perhaps the box was in his underpants when he went through security. Seriously, I do not blame anyone for being concerned about a mysterious box carried by a passenger A MONTH after an attempted plane bombing. Common sense on the part of the guy carrying the box is what was lacking. Take a look at yourself before you board a plane - especially if someone just tried to blow one up. If people might think you look suspicious, maybe you should either change your appearance or not get on the plane. Flying is not a right. Flying with your religious symbols or whatever is ALSO not a right. If this guy had stopped for just one moment and thought to himself "maybe I should consider the people around me", this could have been avoided.
 
Perhaps the box was in his underpants when he went through security. Seriously, I do not blame anyone for being concerned about a mysterious box carried by a passenger A MONTH after an attempted plane bombing. Common sense on the part of the guy carrying the box is what was lacking. Take a look at yourself before you board a plane - especially if someone just tried to blow one up. If people might think you look suspicious, maybe you should either change your appearance or not get on the plane. Flying is not a right. Flying with your religious symbols or whatever is ALSO not a right. If this guy had stopped for just one moment and thought to himself "maybe I should consider the people around me", this could have been avoided.

Completely agree, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. I'm also very glad to see that people on these planes have the guts to alert someone if they see something suspicious. I hope that I will too if I am ever on a plane that had a suspicious passenger.
 
If this guy had stopped for just one moment and thought to himself "maybe I should consider the people around me", this could have been avoided.

But, of course, anything from an accepted religion gets an automatic free pass just because it's religious, I guess because, well, it's religious.
 
It never ceases to amaze me when people complain about things that are in the interest of safety. We have had heavy snowfall here in the last couple of weeks and many flights have been suspended yet there's always someone on the news complaining that they can't get there flight. Would they rather the pilot attempted to take off just in case he makes it?
 

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