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This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:
Race-Rigging Scandal Hits Gran Turismo World Series
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- A_Mindful_Place
I mean, I am glad to hear that they're monitoring this and taking action as needed. Cheaters have no place on the world stage.
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Just goes to show that nothing is immune to corruption these days. I do wonder how far up it goes though, and what exactly motivated them to pull this.
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Oh no!
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They're all part of the same esports team, so I assume it's a situation where they go something like "hey, you're the highest scoring racer on our team but I'm (say) a Catalunya specialist, let me do that race on your account and you'll have a better chance of qualifying, which promotes the team".
PD have started opening up to esports teams a bit at the live events recently, there were logos on the cars in Amsterdam for instance. So there's certainly advertising and prestige motives there to collude.
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That's a very good point. I imagine Polyphony is going to be a lot more strict about it now, so it's certainly for the best that they caught this before it became some years-long fraud that would do serious damage the series' reputation.
Though I still wonder if it was something these four decided on their own, or if there is/was a team manager who was telling them to do it.
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Hello everyone, Nicolás Romero here, former 2 times Manufacturers Cup podium finisher.
I'm gonna try to give a quick timeline of how the events have been unfolding for the last few days.
I'm gonna try to give a quick timeline of how the events have been unfolding for the last few days.
- This all starts during round 4 of the current season, where Papo (Martin Marza) wins the race in the Americas region with a suspiciosly fast pace. That alone wouldn't justify the investigation, everyone can have a good day, but at the same time, it's found out on Hyperz (Mateo Estevez) twitch channel that he was in voice chat with both Marza and the mentioned 17 year-old. Marza wasn't voice sharing, however, you can hear through the echo of someone else him saying something under the lines of: "Mateo, please don't say something like, (17yo name) you went wide there". That's when the alarms started, as it appeared to be quite obvious that something was not right there.
- Then it was scalated to PD, and after checking, they have found that not only it was confirmed that (17yo) was driving for Papo there, but it was also found out that both the 17yo and Hyperz had been driving on Marza and Etyemezian's account since Round 1. After this everyone has been trying to look at the performances from those mentioned races, and it was very obvious, at the time Etyemezian got his scores, the 17yo wasn't racing, while the drivers on the Americas region had also noticed a sudden increase on Marza's pace on some rounds.
- To sum up, the 4 drivers have had their scores deleted and accounts banned, and no idea what other consecuences this might lead to. I've raced since 2019 to 2024, and this is by far the biggest known scandal known on this competition. We've had cases of double accounting before, but this manipulation plot is something we have never seen before
- As a conclusion, I would like to clarify, I actually met irl with one of the managers of GTSpain92 last Sunday (this had nothing to do with what happened, that was planned as a casual meeting a week before), and neither him or any of his teammates was not aware of any of this before last Sunday, and this is sad specially on the case of Sota Moriyama, Renault's point leader in the Asia region, who has now seen his chances of qualifying greatly reduced overnight. His reaction here
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Basic human nature. Competitors are always looking for any edge to help them win.
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Thats quite abvious - they wanted to qualify. In manu cup its not enough you qualify from your region, other regions has to score also good so your manufacturer will qualify to finals (for example like 2 years ago Mclaren scored enough points in Europe but not enough in other regions and thats why didnt qualify).
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There is a Tweet from one of those banned here (this one is clean but the replies are a bit more colourful):
Whether that's a legitimate comment about others cheating or a justification for their actions we'll see.
Whether that's a legitimate comment about others cheating or a justification for their actions we'll see.
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- Insomniac_driver
Sincerely if he see it just as a game (that at the end is a fair statement) and your account is banned and you don't have intentions of coming back why dont spill the beans?? If you ask me it sounds like he knows probably of similar situations but it is using it in a salty way to try to clear some of the heat he is receiving
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Probably doesn't want to burn any bridges yet, looking at the other Tweets the ban is only 1 week long so he can race in nations next week.
This is eSports, everything comes out eventually.
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It's really good how quick PD controlled this corruption.
The same cannot be said for most racing eSport managing bodies.
The same cannot be said for most racing eSport managing bodies.
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I think is just thanks to always online system this cheating was discovered. Yeah, the always online system on many games isn't good because we can't play when something related to server connections goes wrong, but is a necessary bad, because Polyphony guys can have a better control of the player's actions and they can take actions quickly against these cheaters.
But you're right, at least an offline career mode on GT7 would be good tho.
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Okay, I understand, you're right. But I'm not taking anyone's reason away, nor am I defending the always online system, I just think that some players are a little to blame for their bad behavior (cheating or hacking on online multiplayer and eSports, just like in this case, for example).
I think that's why the devs are controlling players more strictly, even on single player mode (not that I'm defending this action or thinking is beneficial), probably to prevent some players from exploiting flaws that allow cheating in games or doing other bad things
Unfortunately, this is how it is in this world: The good ones pays for the bad ones. Just my point of view.
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PD issued a tempban from GT7 for Samuel (and presumably the other drivers involved).
GTS92 has ejected Samuel, Mateo and Martin from the team.
Mateo has also been removed from PRiMA Esports… and he is completely unrepentant about what he did going by this tweet:
GTS92 has ejected Samuel, Mateo and Martin from the team.
Mateo has also been removed from PRiMA Esports… and he is completely unrepentant about what he did going by this tweet:
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This guy really sucks at apologies.
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It is certainly good that PD are able expose someone breaking the rules.
But I don't know, overall, is this bad or good for GTWS image? You know, sometimes even bad publicity is better than no publicity, but from another angle these fraudsters could harm the competiton in sponsor's point of view.
But I don't know, overall, is this bad or good for GTWS image? You know, sometimes even bad publicity is better than no publicity, but from another angle these fraudsters could harm the competiton in sponsor's point of view.
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