Racing Hard Tires and Lap 3

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Maybe it's just me, but has anybody else noticed that on Racing Hard tires the third lap after a tire change is always the money lap? I noticed it at the Grand Valley endurance race and then again at Laguna Seca. The best lap for each set of tires was always the third. Other laps would run consistent times, and there was no real fall off until the tire meter was pretty low, but that third lap was always just a bit better.
 
A bit Off topic but why arnt you using softs? They last just as long and are quicker...
 
Such an obvious answer lol :P

You don't play racing games too much do you Ritter ;)

I do, and I know that every set has a "sweet spot" so to speak, but I've never seen that sweet spot so consistently on the same exact lap for every set of tires. Always lap 3, no matter what.

A bit Off topic but why arnt you using softs? They last just as long and are quicker...

I can always get a few more laps out of the hard tires.
 
I do, and I know that every set has a "sweet spot" so to speak, but I've never seen that sweet spot so consistently on the same exact lap for every set of tires. Always lap 3, no matter what.



I can always get a few more laps out of the hard tires.

Yet, your lap times on softs are far greater, and your pitting/waiting on fuel will screw your overall time.

Racing Softs FTW!
 
Yet, your lap times on softs are far greater, and your pitting/waiting on fuel will screw your overall time.

Racing Softs FTW!

I will admit that I do want to fire my gas man. I've just always used hard tires on the endurance races, I guess it's a mentality thing too. The only exception has been Indy where even on soft tires I still needed to get fuel way before the tires wore out. I didn't notice a "sweet lap" on that track though as my best laps times were always set in a draft.
 
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I can always get a few more laps out of the hard tires.

Really? I know that's the rationale, but I haven't noticed any appreciable difference between softs and hards in terms of tyre wear.
 
lap 3 is pretty slow around Nordschleife....:D

I haven't done an endurance race there yet, but as soon as I unlike the 4 hours it'll be interesting to see if the pattern continues.

Really? I know that's the rationale, but I haven't noticed any appreciable difference between softs and hards in terms of tyre wear.
I always feel like I can get an extra lap or two out of the hard.
 
I get about 9.5 laps in around most normal length tracks with R.Softs on, and pit as I go onto the 10th lap. If I don't that 10th lap is at least 5-6 seconds slower than the laps before it, which were already falling.

With R.Hards, I get MAYBE an extra two laps, maybe. I spin the tires more due to lack of grip, and that wears them down faster than they should.
 
I will admit that I do want to fire my gas man. I've just always used hard tires on the endurance races, I guess it's a mentality thing too. The only exception has been Indy where even on soft tires I still needed to get fuel way before the tires wore out. I didn't notice a "sweet lap" on that track though as my best laps times were always set in a draft.

i wouldn't worry about that, because with race hards you're just a tad more realistic racing than all the softs on here.
You'd actually want to race with sports soft to have the most realistic amount of grip. But that's undoable in a-spec most of the times. Online though. ;)
 
Really? I know that's the rationale, but I haven't noticed any appreciable difference between softs and hards in terms of tyre wear.

Usually because we're not looking. It's the fuel load that's been the determining factor in every event.

That's due to a few things; firstly, we don't care about either the fuel used or the number of black marks we leave on the track. In reality, there are limits on the number of tyres used, and a lot of the time it isn't a lot. That causes a knock-on effect; you don't use the tyres hard, you don't need all the available power. You want to last the entire race without issue, you don't use all the power. You don't want to pour money and wins down the drain.

You don't use maximum power or maximum revs all the time.


In the game, we have:
1: unlimited rubber
2: unlimited fuel
3: unlimited engine life
4: Trevor, the magical grease-digesting projectile-vomiting GT Auto oil changer.


I basically comes down to PD hauling the brakes on with realism. That said, if the game did wear through engines which you had to pay to replace, chassis you had to pay to replace (or buy new throughout a season), clutch components and gearboxes that you'd have to re-buy after say 2000km. Fuel you had to pay for, and a new set of slicks that cost credits. That's hundreds of thousands of credits per race potentially.

As long as that level of realism isn't there, we won't care about any of those in-game. And that's why in A-spec and B-spec we can pull of strategies that wouldn't be possible.


Also, PD needs to sort out their tyres, it's almost as bad as the abomination that Bernie is forcing on F1. Really, this is the closest I've been able to figure them out to be:

Comfort:
Hard: Mine Fuhrer brand rubber. Good for the Beetle, VW Bus and the wagens. Probably has a swastika somewhere on it.
Medium: These are what's on your mother's car
Soft: Sporty tyres, good for things like the Alfa Brera and such
Sport:
Hard: Daily driven track tyres. Think Elise, Corvette Z06
Medium: Cut slicks; something that would be on a M3 CSL or an Exige.
Soft: You put them on your track car, drive to the track, race, drive home, buy more tyres. Dedicated rubber for track work.
Racing:
Hard: Hard tyre
Medium: 'Option' tyre
Soft: Experimental Pirelli Group C qualifying tyre, that somehow lasts 17 times longer than it should.


On the off-chance you're driving a car that doesn't chug the juice like nothing else, you can notice a sizeable gap between the life of a Racing Hard and a Racing Soft. The gap only exists if you're driving both the right way though. Go easy on the hard and it'll last laps longer than you'd think. Drive the soft to the limit and you'll be pitting a lot more than you currently are. Drive the Soft's not to their limit (but faster than the hards that are being overdriven) and there's nothing in it.
 
TBR 427
4: Trevor, the magical grease-digesting projectile-vomiting GT Auto oil changer.

Actually, my wife asked me last night how he could get the oil in from the underside of the car :scared:
 
I did the Laguna Seca Endurance race last night and switched between Hard and Soft on different stints, and even accounting for variations in wear due to me sliding or spinning the wheels at different rates, they both lasted basically the same 15 laps.
 
I did the Laguna Seca Endurance race last night and switched between Hard and Soft on different stints, and even accounting for variations in wear due to me sliding or spinning the wheels at different rates, they both lasted basically the same 15 laps.

What car did you use?
 
Depends on the track, i was doing the Nurburgring 4hours (the full GP + Nordschleife) in my Mclaren F1, after 2 laps the Soft Sports rear tyres were wrecked, so I went into the pits and put on the racing hard tyres, they lasted slightly longer but by the middle 2nd lap I was having to really be careful to avoid wheelspin, driving much slower and by halfway through the 3rd lap there was basicly nothing left of the rears and the car was uncontrolable, I exited the race before the end of the lap.

The car was fast enough to win, but i would need to pit every 2 laps, alternative would be to drive a lot slower and pit every 3 laps, though still needing to gain enough lead to cover the pitstop. I found the tyres in general will warm up and wear out very fast on the drive wheels of a car, especially with high powered cars. On my Integra RM i was able to last a very long time on a set of racing hards, in the region of 25laps at grand valley.
 
@SimonK:

Nice.

I was thinking about either using my Pescarolo for its speed, or the Oreca R8 for its ease to drive/economy.
 
908 was nice to drive there, got down to a 1:14.xxx with the car stock on racing softs, could've gone even faster if the AI didn't constantly get in my way.

The fuel greatly outlasted the tyres though, the 15 lap stint didn't even take half my fuel.
 
I did the Laguna Seca Endurance race last night and switched between Hard and Soft on different stints, and even accounting for variations in wear due to me sliding or spinning the wheels at different rates, they both lasted basically the same 15 laps.

I didn't use the 908, but I was getting roughly 17 laps per set on racing hard tires last night.
 
I didn't use the 908, but I was getting roughly 17 laps per set on racing hard tires last night.

As I say it varied per stints, for some reason my first stint was very shoddy on the softs, only got 15 laps out of them, second stint on softs I got either 17 or 18. Then I decided to switch to hard and again got about 17. There was certainly no huge difference which there should be with hard and soft tyres.

I wonder how they go at Le Mans, if it's anything close to reality?
 
I'll never find out as I have no intention of ever doing the 24 hours races unless they implement a save feature.
 
Me either, but I might not do it even if they do add a save feature If I can't do long stints like they do in reality. I don't want to pit every 3/4 laps.
 
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