Radovan Karadžić Sentenced By UN Court

[Liquid]

The Hague have sentenced him to 40 years after finding him guilty of 10 of 11 charges relating to the Srebrenica massacre in 1995. The Srebrenica massacre was a genocidal event in the July of that year where 7,000-8,000 Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) were deliberately murdered.

At the time, Karadžić was the President of the Srbska Republic, an autonomous region of Bosnia-Hercegovina with a Serbian majority. The leader of the forces which undertook the war crimes, Ratko Mladic, has been on trial for four years in a concurrent ongoing case.

"The trial, in which he represented himself, lasted eight years."

"He was found guilty of the second count relating to Srebrenica, where Bosnian Serb forces massacred more than 7,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys."

"Karadzic was in agreement with the plan of the killings," Judge O-Gon Kwon said.

"He was also found guilty of crimes against humanity relating to a campaign of terror in the city of Sarajevo which left nearly 12,000 people dead."

"Karadžić, 70, is the most senior political figure to face judgement over the violent collapse of Yugoslavia."

Beeb

 

[Dennisch]

Still baffling to see that genocide, or ethnic cleansing nets you a lower sentence than killing a couple of people. I know he's old enough to never be released again but crimes like this should warrant the highest possible sentence.

 

[Liquid]

Still baffling to see that genocide, or ethnic cleansing nets you a lower sentence than killing a couple of people. I know he's old enough to never be released again but crimes like this should warrant the highest possible sentence.

Maybe it depends on how 'official' it is as a genocide, like the Turkey/Armenia one. Russia and Serbia have both vetoed UN resolutions in the past to call Srebrenica a genoicde.

 

[JKgo]

...About damn time. How long did this trial last for? Feels like ages. Should've gotten the life sentence though.

Now, where will he be jailed? Hopefully not in a place where he might get a hero treatment.

 

[squadops]

It was a truly horrid event, I don't know that much about the man but if he had a part then shame shame shame.

 

[Dennisch]

Maybe it depends on how 'official' it is as a genocide, like the Turkey/Armenia one. Russia and Serbia have both vetoed UN resolutions in the past to call Srebrenica a genoicde.

Seeing that they found massgrave after massgrave, it should be pretty obvious that this one is quite official.

Next up, the cowards at the NATO who refused to help out the Dutch Batters guarding Srebrenica.

 

[Rage Racer]

I think it's kind of unfair that some Croatian, Bosnian and other war criminals (Ante Gotovina, Naser Oric, Ramush Haradinaj, and others) are free, and most of the centenced by ICTY are Serbs. They weren't the only guilty side...

 

[Dennisch]

I think it's kind of unfair that some Croatian, Bosnian and other war criminals (Ante Gotovina, Naser Oric, Ramush Haradinaj, and others) are free, and most of the centenced by ICTY are Serbs. They weren't the only guilty side...

Absolutely.

 

[Blitz24]

40 years per death. 320,000 years in prison. See you in 322,016 AD!

 

[urmie]

I think it's kind of unfair that some Croatian, Bosnian and other war criminals (Ante Gotovina, Naser Oric, Ramush Haradinaj, and others) are free, and most of the centenced by ICTY are Serbs. They weren't the only guilty side...

Right, how dare Slovenia, Croatia and B&H declare independence from Serboslavia. Of course, the majority of those sentenced will be on the Serb side. I'm sure there are some guilty parties on the other ends, but what do you expect when they tried to land grab parts of Croatia/BH adding in genocide of some people. The "Greater Serbia" dream was defeated even with military equipment/supplies being handed to the Serbs by their "brother" Russians.

 

[squadops]

It used to all be Russia to me, I come from the cold war with some pretty thick Ukrainian blood. Russians are not soviets now are they?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It used to all be Russia to me

The Balkan states were never a part of Russia. There are common elements of Slavic culture all throughout the region, but even at the height of their powers, Imperial Russia and the Soviet Union never directly controlled the former Yugoslavia. Indeed, Stalin tried to have Josip Broz Tito - their leader - assassinated several times; legend has it that after about the twentieth failed attempt, Tito sent a letter to Stalin telling that if he kept sending his assassins, Tito would send one of his own and that he would not need to send a second.

 

[squadops]

Anything remotely close to Marxism is going to send my red flag up, it's just what it is. I used to have to hide under my school desk as a child for the drill.

I will tell you that my father's mother fled the Ukraine during WWII and she gave me quite an insite to the deal.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Anything remotely close to Marxism is going to send my red flag up, it's just what it is. I used to have to hide under my school desk as a child for the drill.

You had a drill for Marxists arriving? We had something similar but it was for the "4 minute warning".

 

[squadops]

It was for the bomb. In the neighborhood I grew up in, every house has a shelter. It was not a pretty time and we all can recall the bay of pigs like the back of our hands.

JFK was a good man.

 

[TenEightyOne]

It was for the bomb. In the neighborhood I grew up in, every house has a shelter. It was not a pretty time and we all can recall the bay of pigs like the back of our hands.

Fair enough, it's a shame Special Forces didn't know the area so well.

JFK was a good man.

Um.

 

[squadops]

He was, it's easy to see his bad parts, but his good parts were good. If you ever find yourself needing a good lawyer in the states, you will find that the best ones have his picture on the wall

It's true.

Oh, I wrote this to just the youngers in general and no one in particular so understand that;

I don't think you are capable of understanding, it's not your fault and I don't mean to be a jerk about it however... Every adult man in my life growing up was maimed from Nam or Korea, and the others had the lingering affect of WWII. I know quite a bit about war and how it's lasting's linger on.

Will you ever know why I am so against socialism?

I just figured I should post it before I closed my notepad is all 👍

 

[Rage Racer]

Right, how dare Slovenia, Croatia and B&H declare independence from Serboslavia.

Excuse me, did I say this?..
I just noted about the (possible) anti-Serb bias of the ICTY, and you're trying to tell me I'm pro-Serb.

I'm not saying the Serbs were innocent sheeps, but neither side was in that war, and other obvious war criminals like Ante Gotovina and Naser Oric (the latter one was responsible for mass murders of Serb civilians just before the Srebrenica massacre) were released after little imprisonments.

And about military equipment/supplies handed by Russia... I don't know who told you this, but Zastava guns weren't made in Russia. Plus, Russia took part in SFOR along with the NATO forces. I don't know how this connects to Russia supporting the facsist Serbs in their genocide...

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

He was, it's easy to see his bad parts, but his good parts were good. If you ever find yourself needing a good lawyer in the states, you will find that the best ones have his picture on the wall

It's true.

Oh, I wrote this to just the youngers in general and no one in particular so understand that;

I don't think you are capable of understanding, it's not your fault and I don't mean to be a jerk about it however... Every adult man in my life growing up was maimed from Nam or Korea, and the others had the lingering affect of WWII. I know quite a bit about war and how it's lasting's linger on.

Will you ever know why I am so against socialism?

I just figured I should post it before I closed my notepad is all 👍

Well there are multiple generalizations you make every time you post and at least 50% of them are wrong every time. Lawyers are good because they like JFK? Good to know. You know about war? What war did you serve in? You are against socialism because you have known people who have went to war on behalf of a capitalist society against COMMUNISM? That's like saying I hate gays because I got beat up by a transgender. Not the same. Socialism is evil because screw the next man, starve or work 3 jobs!

 

[Liquid]

I think it's kind of unfair that some Croatian, Bosnian and other war criminals (Ante Gotovina, Naser Oric, Ramush Haradinaj, and others) are free, and most of the centenced by ICTY are Serbs. They weren't the only guilty side...

I agree but some convictions are better than no convictions.

The UN commented that this proves "no-one is above the law" due to the 21 year elapsed time since Srebrenica but it's well known that much like the Nazi ratlines, there is a network of protection for Yugoslav war criminals.

Mladić's trial is still ongoing in its fourth year. I wonder how long this one will take if Karadžić's took 8 years.

 

[OHM_fusion]

Excuse me, did I say this?..
I just noted about the (possible) anti-Serb bias of the ICTY, and you're trying to tell me I'm pro-Serb.

I'm not saying the Serbs were innocent sheeps, but neither side was in that war, and other obvious war criminals like Ante Gotovina and Naser Oric (the latter one was responsible for mass murders of Serb civilians just before the Srebrenica massacre) were released after little imprisonments.

Yes, Gotovina is an "obvious war criminal" . It's obvious to you so it must be true.

I don't know about Oric and what he did or didn't do. But yes, crimes were committed on all sides and in every war, and that's how it always will be. To say that" neither side is innocent" because crimes were committed applies to every war ever.

No side is "innocent" or free of crimes, but sorry, just one particular side first refused the proposals for a more peaceful solution to the crisis (the confederacy), disarmed the territorial defense from neighboring countries, and then used the Yugoslav army (which, curiously enough, was by then mostly made up of soldiers from that particular side) to invade neighboring countries and support their self-proclaimed, ethnically cleansed para-states in those countries in hopes of gaining more territory through the fall of Yugoslavia. In case you haven't noticed, that particular side is Serbia.

Not one Croatian (or Bosnian) bullet was fired into Serbia, not one city in Serbia was shelled, no mass rapes, tortures or massacres in Serbia, no Croatian or Bosnian para-states in Serbia, no towns and villages razed in Serbia, no landmines in Serbia, etc etc... Were there some atrocities committed against innocent Serb civilians in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo? Yes, and those cases have sometimes been unfairly ignored. And I don't have a positive opinion on the ICTY in general, but you'd have to be blind to not see why Serbs make up most of the inductees.

 

[squadops]

Well there are multiple generalizations you make every time you post and at least 50% of them are wrong every time. Lawyers are good because they like JFK? Good to know. You know about war? What war did you serve in? You are against socialism because you have known people who have went to war on behalf of a capitalist society against COMMUNISM? That's like saying I hate gays because I got beat up by a transgender. Not the same. Socialism is evil because screw the next man, starve or work 3 jobs!

Batting 500 isn't so bad. You could not from the little laughy guy tell that I was joking about the JFK bit in regard to lawyers? common now.

I could tell you how much direct effect Nam and Korea had on me, but it would be pointless, yes it had a pretty large impact. As far as the cold war goes, even growing up in the 70's we were taught fear and hatred.

Tbh I don't think you have any intent to engage in a civil discussion on the matter.

Even Obama can understand it, you can't?

Havana is only 90 miles from Florida, but to get here we had to travel a great distance — over barriers of history and ideology, barriers of pain and separation

 

[mustafur]

Batting 500 isn't so bad. You could not from the little laughy guy tell that I was joking about the JFK bit in regard to lawyers? common now.

I could tell you how much direct effect Nam and Korea had on me, but it would be pointless, yes it had a pretty large impact. As far as the cold war goes, even growing up in the 70's we were taught fear and hatred.

Tbh I don't think you have any intent to engage in a civil discussion on the matter.

Even Obama can understand it, you can't?

And plenty of Propaganda.

 

[squadops]

Let me see if I can keep my thoughts a bit more clear, we were talking earlier about JFK so I would like to share a few things about the man. Keep in mind that I was speaking of the Cuban Missile Crises and so forth so here you go.

No government or social system is so evil that its people must be considered as lacking in virtue. As Americans, we find communism profoundly repugnant as a negation of personal freedom and dignity. But we can still hail the Russian people for their many achievements - - in science and space, in economic and industrial growth, in culture and in acts of courage.

http://www1.american.edu/media/speeches/Kennedy.htm

I will stand by my word that he was a great man because he was a true leader.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Meanwhile, the Serbians aren't too impressed that The Hague acquitted Vojislav Seselj:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-02/serbian-prime-minister-lashes-un-war-crimes-court/7294104

 

[mustafur]

I would say the Croats and Bosnian Muslims would be even less impressed.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I would say the Croats and Bosnian Muslims would be even less impressed.

Almost certainly, but there were protests in Belgrade over the sentencing of Karadžić led by Serbian ultranationalists. With Europe still grappling with the influx of refugees and Serbia on the front lines, they're going to want social cohesion.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Still baffling to see that genocide, or ethnic cleansing nets you a lower sentence than killing a couple of people. I know he's old enough to never be released again but crimes like this should warrant the highest possible sentence.

Out back behind the barn, and giving him a personal taste of his own medicine?

 

[Dennisch]

Ratko Mladic has been given a life sentence.

 

[Liquid]

Ratko Mladic has been given a life sentence.

11 counts including war crimes and crimes against humanity.

One of the charges in particular is for Srebrenica; 7,000 defenceless Bosniak civillians murdered.