READ THE OP! GTP Cool Wall Nomination Thread [Always accepting more cars!]

[MDDeGrande]

They're hugely outnumbered because in the past, there was a rule against them. There's no need to equalize them. At first I was fine doing a race car here and there, since someone removed that rule before I started to curate (but despite that, no one actually nominated a race car until a few hundred polls later). Basically, they're outnumbered because the voters seemingly vastly prefer to vote on road cars than race cars. Back in the days of longer cool wall threads people argued about this a lot, and the anti-race car people won out and banned them. And I mean you can say they're different all you want but they're still both "racing versions of the R35" and many people probably won't click into the threads to read about the differences. They'll just see it and think "this again?" And if they get too tired of "this again?"-ing, seemingly only ever with race cars that already get less votes than road cars, they might just start making rumblings of banning race cars again. And even though I've scoffed at "SUBRC" in the past, I've been starting to agree more and more with their views since the race cars began getting more prevalent.

And also, let's take a look at some statistics, just so you know I'm not trying to talk out of my ass to remove these cars from the queue. When we did 2 Mercedes-Benz Formula cars, one right after the other (despite, once again, concerns being brought up), here's the results:
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The first one got 30 votes, the second got 18. And those were way more different than these. They had nearly 20 years between them, these Nismos have 6, and have the same body shell.

The two forgotten formula cars had a similar, but less pronounced effect, the first having 28 and the second having 23. In that case, the first poll was probably more interesting than the second poll because the car in the first poll was objectively worse (failed to race lmao) and attracted the extra discussions and votes, and by extension fun. Still a swing from a medium-to-good poll to a poor one in terms of voter participation.

And even in times when the voting numbers don't get tanked, the car itself will seem to attract less discussion. When you nominated both those Lotus Cosworths right next to each other, the second poll had one (1) reply other than my own obligatory one. Whichever car comes second, as @Cristobal1234 mentioned above, also seems to attract more meh votes as well:
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Now I'm sure some people do think the Type 72 is cooler than the Type 79. I said as much in my post there, I thought the 72 looked better and got the edge from me. But since only 2 out of 24 voters bothered to explain their reasoning on that second car (Because most people probably thought their reasoning for their vote is no different from their reasoning 2 days prior), we have no way to know.

I don't wanna act like some power-tripping reddit mod and force you to change your nominations, but speaking as the curator in charge, it is my opinion that despite any differences between the two cars, one of them should be changed to something else, for the general enjoyment of the greatest amount of voters. (of course if any voters disagree with my reasoning/think I'm being hyperbolic please do let me know. I'm trying as hard as I can to be civil)

Then they should do some research about those "similar" cars instead of babbling "SeRiOuSlY uNcOoL bEcAuSe RaCe CaR" (which is annoying as all hell) every single time race cars are nominated/polled.

 

[Snikle]

Then they should do some research about those "similar" cars instead of babbling "SeRiOuSlY uNcOoL bEcAuSe RaCe CaR" (which is annoying as all hell) every single time race cars are nominated/polled.

If they already don't care about race cars, childishly mocking them isn't gonna make them suddenly start.

Especially when I'm the one who has to do all the research (racing class, engine, power, etc, etc) in order to make the threads. And then when I happen to get the racing class or some subtle difference incorrect I get mocked again. That's seriously uncool, bro.

There's also not even much SUBRC these days. Normally they just don't vote at all, leading to bad participation numbers and worry that the rankings are incongruous with the road cars, which, as we've established before, are the basis for the cool wall, and more people like voting on them.

So if you're really so dug in on defending these Nismos being right next to each other, that's your prerogative I guess. And if one of them ends up with half as many votes as the other I will instate a rule against these sorts of nominations. Something like "If the cars are similar enough to where you have to defend their differences, they can't be polled within a few weeks of each other" or something. That rule would apply to road cars as well as race cars, of course. Again, if any voters find that hyperbolic, let me know (or rate this message with "poo," I'll get the picture). But also if you think that's a good idea, let me know as well.

 

[MOPARbarrett5]

Maybe I'm just overly positive, but I have at least some interest in every race car that I know of whether I like the car or not. Race cars being made in low numbers and usually purpose built makes them interesting to me. Also race cars have extra talking points with if people like who drove it and what liveries it had.

 

[Cristobal1234]

2012-2021 Morgan 3 Wheeler

Body Style: 2 seat, Roadster
Engine: S&S 1983 cc ohv V-twin Naturally Aspirated
Power: 68 -8 2 HP / 5000 - 5250 rpm
Torque: 95 - 103 lb-ft / 2500 - 3250
Weight: 525 - 585 kg
Transmission: Mazda 5 Speed manual transmission
Drivetrain: Front engine, Rear wheel drive
Additional Information: Optional, but here is where you can include facts that may swing someone's vote

 

[Neddo]

2002-2004 Volkswagen Golf R32
Volkswagen R32 on the Edison Bridge by David Gonzalez, on Flickr
Body Style: 3 door hatchback, 5 door hatchback
Engine: 3.2 VR6
Power: 241 hp at 6250 rpm
Torque: 236 lb-ft at 2800-3200 rpm
Weight: 1460 kg
Transmission: 6 speed manual, 6 speed dual clutch DSG automatic
Drivetrain: 4Motion 4WD
Additional info: in USA its called just R32
specs from wiki and kudosprime

 

[MOPARbarrett5]

1957-1959 Dodge Sweptside

2022 McMurtry Speirling

 

[Snikle]

1957-1959 Dodge Sweptside
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2022 McMurtry Speirling

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Do we know anything about the production Spierling yet? Is that what it looks like or is that just camo? I don't want to poll it before it really sees production, that tends to make people mad at me.

1999-2003 Toyota Solara

Body Style: 2dr coupe, 2dr convertible
Engine: 2.2L I4, 2.4L I4, 3.0L V6
Power: 135-200 hp
Torque: 147-214 lb-ft
Weight: 1415-1500 kg
Transmission: 5-speed manual, 4-speed auto
Drivetrain: FF

 

[MOPARbarrett5]

Do we know anything about the production Spierling yet? Is that what it looks like or is that just camo? I don't want to poll it before it really sees production, that tends to make people mad at me.

1999-2003 Toyota Solara

Body Style: 2dr coupe, 2dr convertible
Engine: 2.2L I4, 2.4L I4, 3.0L V6
Power: 135-200 hp
Torque: 147-214 lb-ft
Weight: 1415-1500 kg
Transmission: 5-speed manual, 4-speed auto
Drivetrain: FF

I think the production car is still not out, but I meant the version that broke the Goodwood record.

 

[Neddo]

1980-2003 Fiat Panda

Body Style: 3 door hatchback/van/soft top
Engine: 652cc I2, 769-999cc I4, 1301cc I4 diesel, DC electric engines
Power: 29-53 hp for petrol, 36 hp for diesel, 18-24 hp for electric
Torque: 26 lb-ft for Elettra, for ICE its 42-65 lb ft
Weight: 700-810 kg, Electric is around 1150 kg
Transmission: 4 and 5 speed manual, CVT
Drivetrain: FF and AWD

picture from favcars, specs from wikipedia

 

[GranTurNismo]

GTP Cool Wall: 2016-2020 Lincoln Continental

Body Style: 4-door sedan
Engine: 2.7L twin-turbocharged V6, 3.0L twin-turbocharged V6, 3.7L V6
Power: 305-400hp
Torque: 280-400 lb-ft
Weight: 1915-2060 kg
Transmission: 6-speed automatic
Drivetrain: front engine, front wheel drive, front engine, all wheel drive
Additional Information: The final generation of the Continental, after a 14 year hiatus, and the final Lincoln sedan to be offered in the United States as well. Like the original Continental, it could be optioned with suicide doors. 41,400 units were sold in the United States, though it sold better in China most years.​

 

[tarnheld]

2007-2017 Audi S5 8T

Body Style: 2-door coupé, 2-door convertible, 5-door fastback
Engine: 3.0L V6 supercharged, 4.2L V8 (only coupé)
Power Output: 329-349 hp
Torque: 325 lb-ft
Weight: 1750-1950 Kg
Transmission: 6-speed manual, 7-speed automatic
Drivetrain: four wheel drive
Additional Information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_S5

Spoiler: Additional Photos

 

[Snikle]

2020- Land Rover Defender

Body Style: 3dr SUV, 5dr SUV
Engine: 2.0L turbo I4, 2.0L turbodiesel I4, 2.0L PHEV I4, 3.0L mild hybrid I6, 3.0L mild hybrid diesel I6 5.0L V8
Power: 197-518 hp
Torque: 295-472 lb-ft
Weight: 2100 kg
Transmission: 8-speed auto (2-speed transfer case)
Drivetrain: Front-Engine 4WD

 

[Cristobal1234]

1999-2000 BMW V12 LMR

Racing Class: LMP
Engine: BMW S70/3 5.99 L V12 Naturally aspirated
Power: 580 HP / 6500 rpm
Torque: 500 ft-lb
Weight: 900 kg
Transmission: 6 speed Sequential
Drivetrain: Mid engine, Rear wheel drive
Additional Information: 1999 24 Hours of Le Mans winner

 

[Neddo]

1993-1998 Nissan Skyline GTS25t

Body Style: 2dr coupe
Engine: 2.5 L RB25DET DOHC turbo I6
Power: 247 hp
Torque: 217 lb-ft
Weight: 1360-1380 kg
Transmission: 5-speed manual, 4-speed auto
Drivetrain: Front-Engine RWD

Picture from wheelsage, specs from english and german wikis

 

[Snikle]

1965-1973 AC 428

Body Style: 2dr coupe, 2dr convertible
Engine: 7.0L V8
Power: 345 hp
Torque: 426 lb-ft
Weight: 1461 kg
Transmission: 3-speed auto
Drivetrain: FR

 

[Neddo]

1983-1987 Alfa Romeo Arna/Nissan Cherry Europe

Body Style: 3dr and 5dr hatch
Engine: 1.2-1.5l Boxer H4
Power: 63-95 ps
Torque: 65-98 lb-ft
Weight: 850 kg
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Drivetrain: FF

specs from wiki and picture from wheelsage

 

[MDDeGrande]

• 2006-2008 Audi RS4 (B7, Typ 8E)

• 2009-2016 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG (W212)

 

[Cristobal1234]

1999-2000 BMW V12 LMR

Racing Class: LMP
Engine: BMW S70/3 5.99 L V12 Naturally aspirated
Power: 580 HP / 6500 rpm
Torque: 500 ft-lb
Weight: 900 kg
Transmission: 6 speed Sequential
Drivetrain: Mid engine, Rear wheel drive
Additional Information: 1999 24 Hours of Le Mans winner

I added the specs

 

[Cristobal1234]

2020- Ginetta Akula

 

[coyb20]

 

[coyb20]

2015 Abarth 124 Spider