REAL RACING SIM - LMP 710 PP @ Spa-Franchorchamps, Sun 9/9 9PM ET

[kirktreks]

Real Racing Sim Sunday – Endurance Race

Le Mans Prototypes
@
Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
in

* * * Countdown Clock has been fixed (Thanks to asdfg11!) * * *​

General Info About Races: Our goal is to provide a racing simulation experience for everyone. Real off-road grip, weak slipstream, tire wear on, and yes, heavy damage! ABS is optional.

The potential for damage encourages respect and sportsmanship among everyone, making penalties unnecessary -- GT5's penalty system is easily gamed, often penalizes the victim and does nothing to further the "racing simulation".

The races are usually long enough to require at least one pit for tires and/or gas depending on the car. We also enjoy racing real life cars, and offer a wide range of racing experiences, from VW Buses to F1's, some tuned, some untuned, you name it. Feel free to check out the Facebook page ( http://tinyurl.com/GT5-LPP ) to post race suggestions and say hello!

Date & Time:

Sunday September 9, 9:00 PM EDT
Sunday September 9, 6:00 PM PDT
Monday September 10, 1:00 AM GMT
Time zone converter here​

Host: Private lounge of alefin -- (Alternate/2nd room: lounge of kirktreks or public room)

Race Length: 80 minutes (not including qualifying)

Requirements: Fun, clean and fair drivers

Course:

Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps

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Room & Car Regulations:

Le Mans Prototypes​

(as defined in lounge “Regulation Settings” under “Car Restrictions&#8221

S Audi R8 Race Car ‘01
S Audi R8 Race Car (Audi PlayStation Team ORECA) ‘05
P Audi R10 TDI Race Car ‘06
S Bentley Speed 8 Race Car ‘03
S BMW V12 LMR Race Car ‘99
P/S Jaguar XJR-9 LM Race Car ‘88
P Mazda 787B Race car ‘91
S Mercedes-Benz Sauber Mercedes C9 Race Car ‘89
S Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car ‘98
S Nissan R89C Race Car ‘89
S Nissan R92CP Race Car ‘92
S Pescarolo Sport Courage C60 – Peugeot Race Car ‘03
S Pescarolo Sport Pescarolo C60 Hybride – Judd Race car ‘05
S Pescarolo Sport Pescarolo-Courage – Judd GV5 Race Car ‘04
P Peugeot 908 HDi FAP – Team Oreca Matmut ‘10
P Peugeot 908 HDi FAP – Team Peugeot Total ‘10
S Peugeot 905 Race Car ‘92
S Toyota GT-ONE Race Car (TS020) ‘99
S Toyota MINOLTA Toyota 88C-V Race Car ‘89

Stealth Models Not Allowed
Audi R10 TDI Stealth Model
Mazda 787B Stealth Model

710 Performance Points max
Racing Soft tires max

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• Heavy damage
• No penalties
• Weak slipstream
• Tire wear/Fuel consumption on
• Real grip reduction on wet/edge
• Visual damage on
• ABS available
• --> TCS available!
• All other assists off

Qualifying & Rolling Starts:

• Qualifying begins promptly at 9:00 PM Eastern (refer to the countdown timer above if you're not on the east coast) and will last 15 to 30 minutes.
• When you have a time you like, pull over to a secluded spot or sit in the pits, while we record your time. If you are unable to complete a qualifying lap in the time allotted, or if you leave or exit the track before we record your lap time, you will start at the back of the pack.
• If lap times are not registering properly on my screen, I will tell everyone to keep track of their lap times.
• At the start of the race, drivers will manually line up in formation for a ROLLING START. When the race timer counts down, and the race START message appears, DO NOT MOVE. Stay in the starting grid until the starting line up is called out.
• We will manually line up in qualifying order. Once everyone is in the correct order, the driver in the pole position will set a pace not exceeding 60 MPH / 96 KPH, and begin the race by breaking that pace. Please do not overtake other drivers until the pole/pace car breaks pace and begins accelerating to race speed. Then, THE RACE IS ON.

Full Course Caution Until Clean Start:

• This policy applies until we complete one continuous clean lap or two continuous minutes of clean racing on longer courses, without multi-car incidents. Cautions will only be available at the beginning of the race. We will repeat it as many times as necessary to get an incident free start.
• If there are any multi-car incidents, where any driver is knocked well off the track by another driver, we will call a FULL COURSE CAUTION. The policy does not apply to individual drivers losing control, even if an offending driver has minor contact with other drivers who continue racing.
• Once a caution is issued, please do not overtake any drivers, even if you are heading to the pits.
• All drivers (not in the pits) will form-up for another Manual Rolling Start behind the current race leader, who will maintain pace speed until everyone is in formation again, and restart according the approach used at the beginning of the race.

Prizes:

• First place (Lvl 23 car ticket)
• Second place ( Lvl 13 car ticket)
• Car paints for at least the top half of the participants including Chrome paints

Other Notes: The GTPlanet Online Racing Rules & Guidelines applies with some changes/additions.

1. Bump drafting is allowed where it makes sense.
2. Keep racing on the track, regardless of incident, unless cars behind you are approaching. Time, depending on severity of incident, will be added to your final race time once complaints are filed and replays checked. If you decide to allow the other driver(s) to pass because of a collision, be absolutely sure that you will not be in the way of other drivers. When in doubt, keep racing.
3. Drivers that are to be lapped are under no obligations to move out of the way, as long as they are not intentionally blocking. Most tracks have many sections to overtake. If you're faster, you'll find a way to pass.
4. There will be no race restarts for people that disconnect, unless something extreme happens like half the room disconnects at the same time. Common sense will dictate what's appropriate. People that disconnect will still earn points (where applicable) depending on when they disconnected.
5. Anyone found violating the car regulations will be harshly penalized, i.e. dropped into last place in the race results. "I didn't know" is not a valid reason.
6. Track boundaries are generally the same as those enforced by the GT5 penalty system and as defined by section 16: Offline Racing in the GTPlanet Online Racing Rules linked above. See the illustration below. Occasional unintended incursions will be tolerated, particularly if you visibly attempt to correct a bad line by braking, etc. or you have lost control of your vehicle. Patterns of abuse will not be tolerated, and complaints will be investigated as noted in #2 above.

How to Sign-Up: Just post > GTPlanet username (Playstation Network username)

Race Officials: alefin or kirtrkeks, or anyone designated by them

Current GTPlanet Participants:

** This race is open to all Real Racing Sim regulars and past participants on a first come basis. New sign-ups are welcome, but signing-up on this thread does not guarantee entry if the room fills up. Please be on time. **

Thanks for reading, everyone!


Official Results: 39 Laps
1. freshseth83
2. ugabugaz
3. elmo_too
4. kirktreks
5. alefin
6. BRADKINDER
7. BigNFL
8. SKJ-2012 (DC'd)

 

[Domlnlc]

Looking to join this one. I started testing the premiums since I don't have any of the standards and picked the 908 for now. Was able to get 1:58 but confidant I can improve. What kind of times are you making?

Also, something weird between using a wheel vs. the DS3 with that car/track;

- The DS3 doesn’t allow as much turning capabilities as with the wheel (ex: I can take the first sectors dip full throttle in 6th and stay on track with the wheel but have no choice but let go the gas with the DS3 to stay on track - analog stick pushed to the right completely)

So the car sticks to the road the same (no lost of traction) but just won't turn as much with the DS3... Not sure what to make of this. I mean, I will use the wheel for sure but I am kind of surprised with the advantage. What do you guys think of this?

 

[kirktreks]

What you are describing sounds pretty typical. It seems to me that the controllers, whether using analog stick or arrow buttons adjusts turning sensitivity based on the speed you are traveling, allowing the tightest turns only at low speeds -- it tends to prevent oversteer. So, backing off of the gas helps in two ways: as a normal understeer response, AND by letting the controller tighten the turn radius due to reduced speed.

Have you tried increasing the controller sensitivity setting?

The trade off is that the controller allows much faster steering reaction, accomplishing in a fraction of second, what might require 700 degrees or more of rotation on a wheel, fighting force feedback the whole way.

I never use my wheel in rowdy events like dirty shuffles or Cat and Mouse, where reaction time is more important than precision. I have also set a personal standard that I will only use a wheel above about 600 PP, because the precision required is just too punishing on my hands (i.e., repetitive stress) when using a controller.

 

[alefin]

Haven't tested on this track yet, so I can't post any time right now.

As far as the DS3 goes, I think it depends on the track. Personally, I notice that the DS3 overcompensates for turning angles more so than the wheel, which makes sense to me since the wheel is more about precision.

Then again, I never use the analog stick for turning heh.

 

[Domlnlc]

Interresting... I haven't played with the sensitivity but will try. Makes sense now though. You sure would'nt want a full turning lock at high speed and so it makes sense that the DS3 compensate a full left or right of the analog stick to not reproduce a full lock.

Thanks guys!

Let me know your times if you have a chance!

 

[ugabugaz]

Looking to join this one. I started testing the premiums since I don't have any of the standards and picked the 908 for now. Was able to get 1:58 but confidant I can improve. What kind of times are you making?

Also, something weird between using a wheel vs. the DS3 with that car/track;

- The DS3 doesn’t allow as much turning capabilities as with the wheel (ex: I can take the first sectors dip full throttle in 6th and stay on track with the wheel but have no choice but let go the gas with the DS3 to stay on track - analog stick pushed to the right completely)

So the car sticks to the road the same (no lost of traction) but just won't turn as much with the DS3... Not sure what to make of this. I mean, I will use the wheel for sure but I am kind of surprised with the advantage. What do you guys think of this?

Also did a trial run of the 908 to see how it felt and what time I would get it.

Did my testing in my Online Lounge with Real Grip: ON, Tire Wear: ON, RS Tires, DS3 (7).

First lap was quite slow and I clocked in a 2:04.383 due to unfamiliarity with braking distance . Did 3 more laps and my best was a 2:01.673. I can confirm that trying to take Eau Rouge flat out is really not possible with a DS3. I had to lift off and even hit a bit of brake during some runs.

Did you do your 58 time in the same manner? If so..that's a hell of a fast time.

Edit: Did a lap with tire wear off, everything else same and got a 58 as well.

 

[Domlnlc]

Also did a trial run of the 908 to see how it felt and what time I would get it.

Did my testing in my Online Lounge with Real Grip: ON, Tire Wear: ON, RS Tires, DS3 (7).

First lap was quite slow and I clocked in a 2:04.383 due to unfamiliarity with braking distance . Did 3 more laps and my best was a 2:01.673. I can confirm that trying to take Eau Rouge flat out is really not possible with a DS3. I had to lift off and even hit a bit of brake during some runs.

Did you do your 58 time in the same manner? If so..that's a hell of a fast time.

Everything the same except tire wear off which would normaly account for .5 to 1.0 slower times. I wanted to start with learning best lines without worrying about tire wear but will switch my practice to tire wear on and see what I can get... So just to confirm, I have set everything the same as what this race requires except tire wear off and was in my online lounge.

My friend was a bit discouraged by the wheel advantage on this track with this car. But there is also tire wear to consider. Maybe the extra turning capabilities will make a noticable difference in how much pit I will need to make.

 

[Domlnlc]

Edit: Did a lap with tire wear off, everything else same and got a 58 as well.

Nice! Were you able to take Eau Rouge flat out?

 

[ugabugaz]

Nice! Were you able to take Eau Rouge flat out?

Nope, had to lift and I scraped a bit of the side coming out on the right (went as fast as I could without going off-track).

 

[Domlnlc]

Also did a trial run of the 908 to see how it felt and what time I would get it.

Did my testing in my Online Lounge with Real Grip: ON, Tire Wear: ON, RS Tires, DS3 (7).

First lap was quite slow and I clocked in a 2:04.383 due to unfamiliarity with braking distance . Did 3 more laps and my best was a 2:01.673. I can confirm that trying to take Eau Rouge flat out is really not possible with a DS3. I had to lift off and even hit a bit of brake during some runs.

Did you do your 58 time in the same manner? If so..that's a hell of a fast time.

Edit: Did a lap with tire wear off, everything else same and got a 58 as well.

How many laps were you able to do with tire wear on soft? I was getting max 5 but got a 2:01.067... Could maybe push 6 laps with better lines.

 

[ugabugaz]

How many laps were you able to do with tire wear on soft? I was getting max 5 but got a 2:01.067... Could maybe push 6 laps with better lines.

Didn't test for durability. Just did the initial lap and then a hot lap and reset. I'd probably get 5 laps too. My tires looked pretty worn after the 2nd lap.


Edit: Found an LMP that does 55-56's (Probably faster with practice) with ease and can take Eau Rouge flat out with a DS3. Did a few laps, was impressed, will probably use it.

Edit 2: Tried to test tire wear, by lap 6 I lost the back end trying to take Eau Rouge. Rear tires were melted. I would have gone flat out through there had the tires held up.

Edit 3: Tested another LMP, got to 225 MPH after Eau Rouge (flat out). Lots of choices here..hmm

Edit 4: Mazda 787B is pretty fun and decently fast. Might use it just because, rotary power (Scream) ftw.

Edit 5: Ultimate Troll Car GT-ONE went over 230 MPH...Love it

Edit 6: Down to low 54's with a certain German machine, hehe.

 

[alefin]

When I read we were doing another LMP race, I immediately knew I was gonna use the 787B hahaha. I think last time I ended up using the Peugot.

 

[kirktreks]

I am planning to be in a particular German machine, but not sure if it is the same one (the Mercedes).

 

[kirktreks]

While the R8 '01 may be a hot pick for this race, I am not prepared to exclude it unless I hear alot of calls for it. If you have any doubts, you can either try to get your hands on one, or make a case for excluding it.

 

[Domlnlc]

While the R8 '01 may be a hot pick for this race, I am not prepared to exclude it unless I hear alot of calls for it. If you have any doubts, you can either try to get your hands on one, or make a case for excluding it.

Would you say that the R8 '01 might have an advantage over all the other choices?

 

[kirktreks]

I am passing on what uga said, which is that there is some consensus among the GT Planet community that the R8 '01 has an "unfair advantage". However, I was not able to get a clear understanding what the parameters are. Questions remain...

• Does it have an advantage at any particular PP? Untuned? Unlimited tune? Any track?
  
• If we exclude it from the race, does the field start to level out or does the next best car have an "unfair advantage" over the 3rd, and so forth?

I believe uga said the Toyota GT-One is another good choice due to high straight line speed, which is apparently the important factor at Spa.

Again, I will react to the drivers concerns here on GTP, and I do want to avoid it becoming a one make race. However, if I do not hear a decisive consensus and informed argument to excluded it (even uga was not willing to step up and say so) by about Wednesday, then it will remain in.

 

[ugabugaz]

I am passing on what uga said, which is that there is some consensus among the GT Planet community that the R8 '01 has an "unfair advantage". However, I was not able to get a clear understanding what the parameters are. Questions remain...

• Does it have an advantage at any particular PP? Untuned? Unlimited tune? Any track?
  
• If we exclude it from the race, does the field start to level out or does the next best car have an "unfair advantage" over the 3rd, and so forth?

I believe uga said the Toyota GT-One is another good choice due to high straight line speed, which is apparently the important factor at Spa.

Again, I will react to the drivers concerns here on GTP, and I do want to avoid it becoming a one make race. However, if I do not hear a decisive consensus and informed argument to excluded it (even uga was not willing to step up and say so) by about Wednesday, then it will remain in.

I said it has good straight line speed (Best). Never said that's most important for Spa.

R8 in my hands is just fastest and easiest to handle.

 

[kirktreks]

Perhaps this correction puts it straight...

I believe uga said the Toyota GT-One is another good choice due to high straight line speed, which is apparently the an important factor at Spa.

... otherwise, why even mention it?

Much as I am inclined to avoid giving uga any sort of an edge, the various unanswered questions remain and there are still no calls to exclude the car. To me, I am not concerned whether uga will be besting me by 12 seconds a lap or 14 seconds a lap. The result is the same.

Talk among yourselves... I'll be listening (reading).

 

[easy9]

Looks like a great race. Love to join (as some of my friends), but 1am/2am/3am start for us in Europe is a little too late, may be next time.

 

[kirktreks]

Please note -- I updated the "Other Notes" section to conform to the new language we are using.

To easy9,

Hope you will try to catch one of our races, but understand that the timing is bad for you. Most of our regulars are in North America, and we have enough trouble finding a time that works for our own 3 time zones.

We race every Sunday (Monday AM for you), and lately we have been running a Friday race series (same time, but maybe you are better off on Friday night / Saturday morning. Only tonight and next Friday remain. We will likely continue to hold spot races at the same time on Fridays or start another series at some point (who knows what alefin has in store?).

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=255828

 

[alefin]

Looking forward to this race today, even if I can't really control my car lol ( hint stay away from me ).

 

[S2]

I'll probably join you guys after the race for the short races afterwards. I'd be all over this one if I had the track.

 

[kirktreks]

I believe this is a first for the RRS bunch. Except for Formula GT at Indy, I do not think we have had anything this powerful in the Sunday Endurance races.

We had an F1 series mid-week, but I think those were less than 60 minutes.

 

[freshseth83]

I'd be interested in this. I'll try to make it. My PSN is freshseth83 and I'm not positive on which car I will use. Perhaps the Audi R8 01. Maybe the Bentley or Toyota. Not sure yet. Hopefully I can make it, and I'll add you to my PSN to hopefully get this race in with you guys.

 

[alefin]

We've done LMP before on Sundays. Probably one of the few races you weren't in.

Hopefully will have a better turn out than last time though lol

Sent friend request to you Seth.

 

[freshseth83]

ok, I'll accept it.

 

[Domlnlc]

I might not be able to make it to this one...

 

[alefin]

Boooo lol

 

[freshseth83]

Good racing tonight. That Audi is nice. I think the Peugeot would have been good as well.

 

[alefin]

Glad you could join us. Nice win and good race!