Recruiting for new endurance championships

[braunracing88]

I am presenting ideas for production-based endurance championships that I've had the ideas for before joining GTPlanet. Right now the entries are open across the site. Anyone interested in welcome to compete.
With that said, here are the championship ideas and some details about them.

Schwarzwald League A & B
European Championship
American Championship
Japanese Championship

All championships are production-based endurance championships, with the Schwarzwald League A & B and American Championship races being the minimum # of laps beyond 200 miles and the European Championship and Japanese Championship races being the minimum # of laps beyond 300km. I'll start with the race venues and laps.

Schwarzwald A & B:
Nürburgring Type V - 14 laps - 200 miles (possibly pre-season spot race only)
Nürburgring GP/F - 63 laps - 200 miles
Deep Forest Raceway - 90 laps - 200 miles
Cape Ring - 46 laps - 200 miles
Nürburgring 24h (Weather Change/Time Change) - 13 laps - 200 miles

European Championship:
Rome Circuit - 87 laps - 300km
Circuit de Monaco - 75 laps - 250km
Circuit de la Sarthe 2009 (Weather Change/Time Change) - 22 laps - 300km
Deep Forest Raceway - 84 laps - 300km
Nürburgring GP/F - 59 laps - 300km
Circuito de Madrid - 89 laps - 300km
Autodromo Nazionale di Monza (Weather Change) - 52 laps - 300km
Circuit de Spa Francorchamps (Weather Change) - 43 laps - 300km
Trial Mountain - 76 laps - 300km
Nürburgring Type V - 13 laps - 300km

American Championship:
Daytona Road Course - 57 laps - 200 miles
High Speed Ring (Weather Change) - 81 laps - 200 miles
Indianapolis Road Course - 77 laps - 200 miles
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca - 90 laps - 200 miles
Cape Ring - 46 laps - 200 miles
Grand Valley Speedway - 46 laps - 200 miles
Autumn Ring - 82 laps - 150 miles

Japanese Championship:
Fuji Speedway GT - 67 laps - 300km
Tsukuba Circuit - 98 laps - 200km
Grand Valley Speedway - 61 laps - 300km
Special Stage Route 5 - 80 laps - 300km
Twin Ring Motegi Road Course - 63 laps - 300km
Tokyo R246 - 59 laps - 300km
Suzuka Circuit (Weather Change) - 52 laps - 300km
Special Stage Route 7 (Weather Change) - 13 laps - 300km (can be shortened if necessary)

Vehicle classes:
Schwarzwald League A:
Sports Car
Sports Sedan & Hot Hatchback
Schwarzwald League B
Power Coupe
Power Sedan & Wagon

European Championship:
Heavyweight Sports Car (above 1100kg)
Lightweight Sports Car (under 1100kg, like the British Lightweights)
Sports Sedan
Hot Hatchback
Retro (1980-1995)
Classic (1979 and earlier)

American Championship:
Modern Sports Car (Chevrolet Corvette, Dodge Viper, Ford GT, Saleen S7, Shelby Series One)
Classic Sports Car (1979 and earlier, including 1960s Corvette, Shelby Cobra)
Modern Muscle Car (Chevrolet Camaro, Dodge Challenger, Ford Mustang)
Classic Muscle Car (1979 and earlier)

Japanese Championship:
Sports Car 1 (NSX, 370Z, GT-R, Supra, RX-7, etc.)
Sports Car 2 (RX-8, Impreza Coupe, MX-5 Miata, Eunos Roadster, etc.)
Sports Sedan
Hot Hatchback
Retro (1980-1995)
Classic (1979 and earlier)

Championship tire, power and weight settings:
Schwarzwald League A
Max. Power: 350HP
Min. Weight: 750kg
Tires: Racing Soft, Medium, and Hard

Schwarzwald League B
Max. Power: 600HP
Min. Weight: 1200kg
Tires: Racing Soft, Medium, and Hard

European Championship
Max Power: 500HP for Heavyweight Sports Car, 350 for Lightweight Sports Car, 350 for Sports Sedan, 300 for Hot Hatchback, Retro and Classic
Min. Weight: 1100kg for Heavyweight Sports Car, 600kg for Lightweight Sports Car (may lower this to accommodate Caterham 7 Fireblade), 1100kg for Sports Sedan, 800kg for Hot Hatchback, and not sure about a weight limit for Retro and Classic
Tires: Racing Soft, Medium, and Hard

American Championship
Max. Power: 650HP for Modern Sports Car, 400 for Classic Sports Car, 500 for Modern Muscle Car and 450 for Classic Muscle Car
Min. Weight: 1100kg for Modern Sports Car, 1000kg for Classic Sports Car, 1200kg for both Modern Muscle Car and Classic Muscle Car
Tires: Racing Soft, Medium, and Hard

Japanese Championship
Max. Power: 500HP for Sports Car 1, 400HP for Sports Car 2, 350 for Sports Sedan, 300 for Hot Hatchback, Retro and Classic
Min. Weight: 1100kg for Sports Car 1 & 2 and Sports Sedan, 800kg for Hot Hatchback, TBD for Retro and Classic
Tires: Racing Soft, Medium, and Hard

I'm considering putting the following settings on each championship:
Tire Wear/Fuel Consumption: On & Normal
Grip Reduction: Real
Mechanical Damage: Light or Heavy, leaning toward Heavy
ABS: 1 at max.
TCS: 2 at max.
ASM: Off
Active Steering: Your choice

Edit: Thread title and some championship details have been updated.

 

[AllTerainTiger]

Hey man these are some great ideas is actually love to participate in the Schwarzwald B League but I have a feeling that tire restrictions should be moved up to racing that way we can have rain and use racing rain. And also would be using any car with a 600 bhp limit or would be a specific group of car like gt500 or gt300.

 

[braunracing88]

Hey man these are some great ideas is actually love to participate in the Schwarzwald B League but I have a feeling that tire restrictions should be moved up to racing that way we can have rain and use racing rain. And also would be using any car with a 600 bhp limit or would be a specific group of car like gt500 or gt300.

I have considered allowing racing tires, but I'm not sure what racing compounds should be allowed. And the horsepower cap is in place to keep the playing field as level as possible. I'm not gonna worry about imposing restrictions beyond that yet, but I have considered the idea of success ballast.
What do you think of the endurance format, too? That was something I had in mind from the beginning. Which also helped spawn the multi-class idea.
Also, depending on the number of entries the series gets, this will determine how many classes will be on track in a race. I'm aiming for a minimum of 4 drivers per class. For example, in the Schwarzwald League races, I'm hoping to get 4 drivers in all classes. If I can get 4 in the B-level Coupe class, 4 in B-level Sedan & Wagon, 4 in A-level Coupe, and 4 in A-level Sedan and Hot Hatchback, that would make a full grid in one race.

Class structure for Schwarzwald League
Power Coupe: League B vehicles like R8 4.2 & 5.2, M3 Coupe and M3 GTR, SL 500, SLS, SLR and various high-end RUF models like the BTR and CTR.
Sedan and Wagon: League B vehicles like the RS4, RS6, RS6 Avant, M5, C63 AMG and E55 AMG, to name a few.
Sports Coupe: League A vehicles like TT, Z4 M Coupe, Speedster, Speedster Turbo, and 3400S, to name a few.
Sports Sedan and Hot Hatchback: League A vehicles like A2, A3, S3, S4, 120d, 120i, 330i, A160, Astra (production version), Vectra (production version), Golf, and Scirocco, to name a few.
What class would you be interested in and with what car?

 

[AllTerainTiger]

I have considered allowing racing tires, but I'm not sure what racing compounds should be allowed. And the horsepower cap is in place to keep the playing field as level as possible. I'm not gonna worry about imposing restrictions beyond that yet, but I have considered the idea of success ballast.
What do you think of the endurance format, too? That was something I had in mind from the beginning. Which also helped spawn the multi-class idea.
Also, depending on the number of entries the series gets, this will determine how many classes will be on track in a race. I'm aiming for a minimum of 4 drivers per class. For example, in the Schwarzwald League races, I'm hoping to get 4 drivers in all classes. If I can get 4 in the B-level Coupe class, 4 in B-level Sedan & Wagon, 4 in A-level Coupe, and 4 in A-level Sedan and Hot Hatchback, that would make a full grid in one race.

Class structure for Schwarzwald League
Power Coupe: League B vehicles like R8 4.2 & 5.2, M3 Coupe and M3 GTR, SL 500, SLS, SLR and various high-end RUF models like the BTR and CTR.
Sedan and Wagon: League B vehicles like the RS4, RS6, RS6 Avant, M5, C63 AMG and E55 AMG, to name a few.
Sports Coupe: League A vehicles like TT, Z4 M Coupe, Speedster, Speedster Turbo, and 3400S, to name a few.
Sports Sedan and Hot Hatchback: League A vehicles like A2, A3, S3, S4, 120d, 120i, 330i, A160, Astra (production version), Vectra (production version), Golf, and Scirocco, to name a few.
What class would you be interested in and with what car?

Hmm that's a good idea but also remember if your going to be having endurance races it's always good to have weather and climate changes. This way all elements and factors come in to play. But my suggestion is to run racing hards or less that way it allows racing racing and intermediate for certain situations. As for the class and vehicle I would like to go with power coupe. As for vehicle ill use slr mclaren. Also depending on the bhp cap it would be a challenge to run all classes at the same time due to the fact that power coupes would be finishing seconds or even minutes ahead of other classes but it's also a possibility to have cars from other classes keep up.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

WMA Recruiting? Since when? If you're going to be misleading, and post inaccurate information, do it with someone else's name, please.

We said that we liked your idea, not that you could put our name all over it.

 

[AllTerainTiger]

WMA Recruiting? Since when? If you're going to be misleading, and post inaccurate information, do it with someone else's name, please.

We said that we liked your idea, not that you could put our name all over it.

I think everyone should have the right I start there own league or series.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I think everyone should have the right I start there own league or series.

True, but pretty low to copy someone's name.

 

[AllTerainTiger]

True, but pretty low to copy someone's name.

But I though he is part of gt5 WMA

 

[braunracing88]

But I though he is part of gt5 WMA

Plus, I showed Mel the ideas in a PM, and he did like them. That's why he was mentioned.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

But I though he is part of gt5 WMA

I'm the president. I have the final say.

Plus, I showed Mel the ideas in a PM, and he did like them. That's why he was mentioned.

There's a difference between "I like your ideas, they should work out" and "I'll allow you to put our name on it, because we know that the cars are evenly matched, and that penalties will be given out according to WMA policy."

Basically, unless you can prove that this series of ideas you have strictly adheres to GTP OLRs and WMA policies, I have no reason to allow you to put our name on it.

First, you need to show me that every driver in the series will be a clean, honest, and fair player. Otherwise, the player will get penalties/warnings according to WMA policy.

If you can manage that, I need to see proof that every car is equally fast, including equal tire wear (given a likelihood that pit stops are necessary.)

As R1600Turbo (of PURE) mentioned, this doesn't put either of us in good light. Essentially, you're using our name for a series we don't officially sanction/approve of, and you're making yourself look desperate for people to join, even to the point of lying to make people consider joining.

WMA remains no relation to this series, yet, until everything can be proven fair, equal and fun. It is uncertain if WMA will ever sanction this series, and we wish to remain officially uninvolved.

We already had Bankfin Season I back fire against us; poor driving conduct noted. That sanctioning was pulled almost immediately, but, the lasting effect was clear; people thought Bankfin was WMA sanctioned, and associated its poor driving conduct with WMA.

We will not let that happen again.

 

[AllTerainTiger]

I'm the president. I have the final say.

There's a difference between "I like your ideas, they should work out" and "I'll allow you to put our name on it, because we know that the cars are evenly matched, and that penalties will be given out according to WMA policy."

Basically, unless you can prove that this series of ideas you have strictly adheres to GTP OLRs and WMA policies, I have no reason to allow you to put our name on it.

First, you need to show me that every driver in the series will be a clean, honest, and fair player. Otherwise, the player will get penalties/warnings according to WMA policy.

If you can manage that, I need to see proof that every car is equally fast, including equal tire wear (given a likelihood that pit stops are necessary.)

As R1600Turbo (of PURE) mentioned, this doesn't put either of us in good light. Essentially, you're using our name for a series we don't officially sanction/approve of, and you're making yourself look desperate for people to join, even to the point of lying to make people consider joining.

WMA remains no relation to this series, yet, until everything can be proven fair, equal and fun. It is uncertain if WMA will ever sanction this series, and we wish to remain officially uninvolved.

We already had Bankfin Season I back fire against us; poor driving conduct noted. That sanctioning was pulled almost immediately, but, the lasting effect was clear; people thought Bankfin was WMA sanctioned, and associated its poor driving conduct with WMA.

We will not let that happen again.

Well my bad I didn't know being the president makes you the boss of everyone. As for a season not working in out that's probably due to a bad recruiting system. Now the ideas he has here are very good, I don't think you should be able to come here and say no because its not a good idea. That's like one of my team rally drivers winning a race and me saying it doesn't count because I didn't say you could race anyone. That's just dumb and it's pretty much what your doing here.

 

[rallymorten]

I think this is nothing but a misunderstanding we're dealing with. I think braun presented the idea to Mel and co. and then misunderstood the "I like" part, and in the ecstasy (not that kind of ecstasy, you know, the feeling, not the other) he thought it meant "we've got your back on this". So he creates the thread the way he's done. Despite this misunderstanding, I think this could get really great.

 

[braunracing88]

Well my bad I didn't know being the president makes you the boss of everyone. As for a season not working in out that's probably due to a bad recruiting system. Now the ideas he has here are very good, I don't think you should be able to come here and say no because its not a good idea. That's like one of my team rally drivers winning a race and me saying it doesn't count because I didn't say you could race anyone. That's just dumb and it's pretty much what your doing here.

You tell him, Tiger! On a related note, I suggested to rallymortem the idea of bringing up these ideas in the WMA discussion group and seeing what the organization and its members as a whole think. I'd do it myself, but I'm currently not a member. And if I knew how to edit topic titles, it would say "Recruiting for new potential WMA events." I looked for such a feature last night, but couldn't find it.
Also, in light of the suggestion of using racing tires and being able to race in the rain, I have considered using tracks with weather changes to the schedules. For the Schwarzwald League, this would mean adding the Nürburgring 24h layout. In fact, here's a new concept schedule for that championship.
Nürburgring Type V - 14 laps - 200 miles (could be a preseason-only deal)
Nürburgring GP/F - 63 laps - 200 miles
Deep Forest Raceway - 90 laps - 200 miles
Cape Ring - 46 laps - 200 miles
Nürburgring 24h (with weather and lighting change) - 13 laps - 200 miles

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

So, ATT thinks that calling me "bossy" is doing you favours?

Seriously, I'm not liking the attitude of ATT. Please, stop.

I represent a group that's trying to maintain a decent reputation. Guess what? It's working. WMA doesn't have many fights, nor many problems.

But, braunracing, we rarely do 200+ miles in one race. No thanks, really. It's a bit too long.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Well my bad I didn't know being the president makes you the boss of everyone. As for a season not working in out that's probably due to a bad recruiting system. Now the ideas he has here are very good, I don't think you should be able to come here and say no because its not a good idea. That's like one of my team rally drivers winning a race and me saying it doesn't count because I didn't say you could race anyone. That's just dumb and it's pretty much what your doing here.

It doesn't make him the boss of everyone, he isn't saying that and he's not saying that he can't run the series. All he's saying is that he never sanctioned these to be run as WMA events. Saying that they are is misleading.

He has every right to run these series in his own name, but not under the WMA banner unless it is cooperated with by MrM. 👍

 

[braunracing88]

So, ATT thinks that calling me "bossy" is doing you favours?

Seriously, I'm not liking the attitude of ATT. Please, stop.

I represent a group that's trying to maintain a decent reputation. Guess what? It's working. WMA doesn't have many fights, nor many problems.

But, braunracing, we rarely do 200+ miles in one race. No thanks, really. It's a bit too long.

Would you prefer 2 100-mile races?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Would you prefer 2 100-mile races?

I'd prefer if you hit "Edit" in the first post, "advanced edit" and then changed the OP around a bit.

Then, I have no more say in your series, and you can run 72 hour long races if you want.

 

[braunracing88]

I'd prefer if you hit "Edit" in the first post, "advanced edit" and then changed the OP around a bit.

Then, I have no more say in your series, and you can run 72 hour long races if you want.

Care to rephrase that first sentence?
In other news, Racing Tires will be allowed. In fact, I'm thinking of switching the tires specs from Sports Soft, Medium, and Hard, to Racing Soft, Medium, and Hard. I did some testing at the Nürburgring Type V with 3 Power Sedan and Wagon entries - Audi RS6 Avant, BMW M5, Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG - on Racing Hards, and they held up quite well over the course of a fuel run. I also tested my Audi R8 5.2 on the Racing Hards, and it smashed the 8:20 mark on the Racing Hards, more than 10 seconds faster than its best lap on the Sports Softs. Neither tire had much of a drop-off in grip during a fuel run, so I think Racing Hards will be the spec tire used. And tracks that offer changing weather - Nürburgring 24h, High Speed Ring, Circuit de la Sarthe 2009, Monza, Spa, Suzuka, Special Stage Route 7 - will likely be used in their weather change form, so weather could play a role in deciding the outcome.
Also, aero kits are allowed with no restrictions on type.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Care to rephrase that first sentence?

My boss always says "Show, don't tell."

So, I'll rename the ITCC thread, just for you, posting photos of the process along the way.

One moment please.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

 

[braunracing88]

Now you're just being an asshole. This next number is for you.
The I-95 "Asshole" Song - Fred "August" Campbell

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

You said you didn't know how. I told you how. Then, you didn't understand, so I showed you how. How does that make me so bad? I can't win here, everyone hates me. I'll get my coat.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

You still haven't changed the title though. You're still passing this off as WMA events, but as MrM has blatantly stated, they aren't:

WMA Recruiting? Since when? If you're going to be misleading, and post inaccurate information, do it with someone else's name, please.

We said that we liked your idea, not that you could put our name all over it.

👎

 

[braunracing88]

You still haven't changed the title though. You're still passing this off as WMA events, but as MrM has blatantly stated, they aren't:




👎

👎👎 to you.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Now you're just being an asshole. This next number is for you.
The I-95 "Asshole" Song - Fred "August" Campbell

👎👎 to you.

Wow!

Way to be mature about the situation. Good job! 👍

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

👎👎 to you.

He's not WMA member. He's just a friend of mine. Stop trying to play up the WMA Sanctioning, you're not getting it until we say you're getting it.

Do we need to get our rules out again? You know, the ones indemnifying us, and condemning the usage of our name?

 

[Speedy6543]

Ok, the discussion on wether or not braunracing can use the WMA name can end now.
He clearly may not and so the thread can move on again accepting possible interested participants.

 

[AllTerainTiger]

So, ATT thinks that calling me "bossy" is doing you favours?

Seriously, I'm not liking the attitude of ATT. Please, stop.

I represent a group that's trying to maintain a decent reputation. Guess what? It's working. WMA doesn't have many fights, nor many problems.

But, braunracing, we rarely do 200+ miles in one race. No thanks, really. It's a bit too long.

I'm not saying me calling you bossy is doing anyone favors. I'm just stating my opinion. Also what attitude. I like how people on gtplanet say something than another gets all mad when the person didn't even say anything bad. Plus let him call it whatever he wants. Just because there's already a WRC in real life doesn't mean I can't come on gtplanet and make one.

 

[braunracing88]

I'm not saying me calling you bossy is doing anyone favors. I'm just stating my opinion. Also what attitude. I like how people on gtplanet say something than another gets all mad when the person didn't even say anything bad. Plus let him call it whatever he wants. Just because there's already a WRC in real life doesn't mean I can't come on gtplanet and make one.

Good point, ATT. With that said, I am new to setting up a series like this and thought that linking up with an established organization for assistance in areas like stewarding, among others that I have no experience in, would be immensely helpful. I've picked out a name, although I don't know if it's taken: GTPlanet Production Endurance Association. Rallymorten of the WMA has shown support for the idea, so I would like to offer him a position with the GTP Production Endurance Association.

 

[AllTerainTiger]

Good point, ATT. With that said, I am new to setting up a series like this and thought that linking up with an established organization for assistance in areas like stewarding, among others that I have no experience in, would be immensely helpful. I've picked out a name, although I don't know if it's taken: GTPlanet Production Endurance Association. Rallymorten of the WMA has shown support for the idea, so I would like to offer him a position with the GTP Production Endurance Association.

Like I said call it what you want I'm sure that MrM doesn't have a license or copyrights on the name WMA. So he has no right to tell you if you can call WMA or not.