Religious Tolerance

[WVUscion]

Sure.

So which one of those "versions" is the word of God?


You have the right to be offended at anything you want. No-one else has the responsibility to ensure that you are not offended.

Ha ha ha

So I guess if I insult somebody then I can use this quote as justification for not being reprimanded? Instead of demeaning ones religion I could demean someone's sexual orientation:

WVUScion's not gay my arse.

Think about it. Its not that Sam needs proof that texts are word for word of God, its that he doesn't need his religious orientation to be demeaned.

 

[Famine]

So I guess if I insult somebody then I can use this quote as justification for not being reprimanded?

You could try.

Think about it. Its not that Sam needs proof that texts are word for word of God, its that he doesn't need his religious orientation to be demeaned.

Really? How has that occurred then? It rather looks to me that I'm casting doubt on the ability for 8 different versions of the Bible to all be the Word of God, since they all differ. This is a radically different concept from saying that none of them are (though I may also say that), or that God doesn't exist (and I can say that too).

What I can't say is that he is stupid for being a Christian. Which I didn't do. Even if this wasn't a thread about religious tolerance.


No faith was demeaned in the making of this post.

 

[WVUscion]

And yet he felt "demeaned" enough to write out a post asking for such comments to be toned down.

Does that mean that the black pen only has black ink if YOU think its black?

 

[Alex.]

All's I say is I read it as 'Pour your energy, love, money, time and soul into something that isn't god and your life will be dull and meaningless'

Which to be honest was almost offensive to me. I'm happy to admit I devote myself to people and my ideas, to enjoying my youth. I would imagine everyone is devoted to something on some level. Reading it and thinking, Yes that's right you tell me about my life and how it is a dead life as you know it far better than I. The older I get the more nonsense I see in certain elements of religion. If that offends anyone, then, well tough.

 

[Famine]

And yet he felt "demeaned" enough to write out a post asking for such comments to be toned down.

Which he's entirely free to do. Anyone may take offence at anything for any reason.

Does that mean that the black pen only has black ink if YOU think its black?

No. It means the right to be offended does not confer a requirement not to cause offence on others. Quite what pens have to do with it escapes me.

 

[WVUscion]

All's I say is I read it as 'Pour your energy, love, money, time and soul into something that isn't god and your life will be dull and meaningless'

Which to be honest was almost offensive to me. I'm happy to admit I devote myself to people and my ideas, to enjoying my youth. I would imagine everyone is devoted to something on some level.

Yea it seems very interesting as to what may (or may not) have been lost in translation. You would think that if the Christian Bible values what it says that it does then what you said there would be supported over anything else.

There seems to be an overwhelming feeling within the Bible that the only way that good things are good is if their original intent was towards God.

Doesn't seem very open towards tolerance, to me anyway?

Quite what pens have to do with it escapes me.

Man I really have to slow down the time between posts. It seems as if I miss a post in between. Ha ha I guess I'm not well suited to forum living. Anyway, it was an analogy of course. From what you said earlier it seemed as if you were saying that the only way that something was truly offensive is if you yourself thought it was offensive. replace offensive with "black pen" or "ink" at appropriate places and well....you get the idea

 

[Famine]

From what you said earlier it seemed as if you were saying that the only way that something was truly offensive is if you yourself thought it was offensive.

Well of course that's true, to an extent.

Offence is a very personal thing. For example Sam felt offended by my comment and yet I didn't. Who is right and who is wrong? We both are but just because he took offence doesn't mean that the comment was either offensive or should have not been made.

As I say, anyone may take offence at any time for any reason against any thing. That doesn't mean everyone else has the responsibility to make sure they never cause offence to anyone.

 

[WVUscion]

Point taken and agreed upon, of course.

On a side note have I been spelling "Offensive" wrong my entire life? Or is that one of the many "british-american" spelling differences?

 

[Joel]

All's I say is I read it as 'Pour your energy, love, money, time and soul into something that isn't god and your life will be dull and meaningless'

I don't think i'd say I was offended, but I laughed at that verse. I don't believe in God, but that doesn't mean that my life is boring, or meaningless. I'm actually really satisfied with my life right now, and I don't think I've ever been happier, including the time when I was a fairly devout Catholic, praying every night, and going to church every week.

 

[Famine]

Point taken and agreed upon, of course.

On a side note have I been spelling "Offensive" wrong my entire life? Or is that one of the many "british-american" spelling differences?

Offence (and defence) is the English version, offense (and defense) is the American English version.

Two countries separated by a common language

 

[Joel]

Offence (and defence) is the English version, offense (and defense) is the American English version.

Two countries separated by a common language

Canadian here, I've always used -ce in legal terms, and "taking offence", and -se as a sports term.

 

[niky]

No. The original Bible is the true word of God. I would guess the current day bible is about 65-75% accurate to the original Bible in terms of its fables.

Which original? The Old Testament? The New Testament? The New Testament post-sanitizing? The New Testament post-translation? The Torah? Or the Qu'ran?

Do note... that the Old Testament writings aren't necessarily as sanitized as the New Testament writings... and are mostly consistent between Judaism, Christianity and Islam... it's the New Testament writings that the early Church leaders went at with a vengeance, cutting out numerous Gospels and writings (including one Gospel purportedly written directly by the twelve apostles themselves) and paring everything down to the four gospels that they felt best represented Christ as they wanted to represent him...

Note: as they wanted, not as Jesus Christ or his apostles wanted. Funny thing, that...

 

[livemusic]

Basic Religion Test Stumps Many Americans

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28religion.html?_r=2

 

[Joel]

I always find it ironic that I, an atheist, know more about Christianity and Catholicism than the Catholics at my (Catholic) school. Turns out the facts show that it's not uncommon.