Row Row row your Boat

[Omnis]

Has anything actually invalidated the old piracy laws? Not that they are directly applicable, but I'm fairly certain that they allowed you to pretty much do whatever you wanted when it came to preventing piracy.


Personally, I quite like the "commandoes on a ship" idea.

No. In fact, the old law and procedure that was written into the constitution is better than what the idiots come up with today. The founders were wiser than the contemporary politician by several orders of magnitude. Remember the Blackwater controversy? Yeah, the government contracted with them but forgot to include the most important part of how Letters of Marque work. With Letters of Marque and Reprisal, the contractors have to post bond before they get their contracts. If they don't follow the rules of war, they don't get their bond back, and they don't get the reward money either.

 

[FoolKiller]

Dogs die when shot. They aren't really a deterent to armed pirates.

I'm looking for an alert system to notify the sailors before a guy wielding an AK busts down their door. Either dogs barking or gun shots to take out the dogs will give sailors extra time to take cover or prepare to defend themselves.

 

[Keef]

I'm guessing a few strings of electrified barbed wire around the fence of a ship would be a bad idea?

 

[FoolKiller]

I'm guessing a few strings of electrified barbed wire around the fence of a ship would be a bad idea?

Well, as I said earlier there are rare legitimate reasons to be over the side.

But an electrical wire just below the railing that can be turned on manually might not be a bad idea. Of course, I don't know how an exposed wire like that would deal with the salt water mixture.

 

[Sureboss]

That's baloney, yssman. If someone is trying to hijack a ship, the captain has the responsibility and the right to protect his ship. I'm not an expert on maritime law, but I'm sure firing on an invader is allowed.

The Japanese whalers shoot at that stupid eco-terrorist boat all the time.

Only because it's shaped like a whale.

 

[niky]

I am betting a few rubber bullets or even just tazer rounds (don't taze me bro!) or anything non-lethal fired into a guy climbing up the side will be effective enough. And if they happen to fall, get sucked under the ship, and then through the propellers...oopsie!

I've known a few Navy guys and according to them they had weakly drills to train for boarding scenarios. I am sure a few ex-Navy guys could make a lot of money training cargo crews.

Education is always a great way to make money. Especially if it's necessary. In these times, security training for shipboard personnel probably is.

I grew up on a farm and have scars that say otherwise.

Of course, we're not going to hide the barbed wire in the grass or bushes...

If it is between my life or Flipper's I will be walking away.

x2

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An electric fence on a boat would cost a lot of money to run... and probably would run very poorly due to the moisture and possibility of shorts due to the salt-water spray. It may be silly... but how about a chain-link fence running around the deck of the ship, with barbed wire at the top? Just poke the pirates off with a stick while they try to climb to the top of the fence. You can unbolt the fence from the inside if you need to abandon ship.

 

[YSSMAN]

Who heard the story about the awesomeness that the French pulled down today? Apparently the pirates that attacked one of our ships yesterday hauled ass out of the area on a small boat, heading to a big pirate "mothership" that was anchored 500 miles offshore of Somalia. Little did they realize that a French helicopter followed them to the hub, with which the following day the French attacked, capturing eleven pirates in the process.

Sweet!

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Ron Paul Has a Plan for the Pirates

Politico Article in the link... YouTube video below:



So, it sounds like Mercenaries on the high seas. Sweet. Lets do it. Well, following the rules of engagement, of course.

 

[Keef]

What do you mean by "Mercenaries"? Make that vague on purpose? What do his statements have to do with hiring military contractors? He said the ships are allowed to defend themselves, which would probably mean proper training and weapons for ship crews.

 

[Omnis]

What do you mean by "Mercenaries"? Make that vague on purpose? What do his statements have to do with hiring military contractors? He said the ships are allowed to defend themselves, which would probably mean proper training and weapons for ship crews.

That's what issuing a letter of marque is.

With Letters of Marque and Reprisal, the contractors have to post bond before they get their contracts. If they don't follow the rules of war, they don't get their bond back, and they don't get the reward money either.

 

[Keef]

Well in that case I must have missed something. Let me watch that again...

EDIT: Yeah, I suppose I misunderstood the whole letters of marque thing even though I've read Omnis's post already. Blonde moment, hurr. What does that system have to say about arming and training the crew themselves instead of hiring mercenaries onto the ship?

Also, I refuse to say "mark". I'm calling it "mar-key" even though it's wrong.

EDIT 2: Just thought I'd drop this somewhere: a guest on FOX News just dropped the line "...a million tea bags showed up here today." Needless to say, I laughed.

 

[Omnis]

That's up to the shipping companies to decide, Keef. Letters of Marque would put Shark The Bounty Hunter on the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean. Shipping companies should still hire guards for their ships though. I mean, they know they're shipping through dangerous waters.

 

[Solid Fro]

EDIT 2: Just thought I'd drop this somewhere: a guest on FOX News just dropped the line "...a million tea bags showed up here today." Needless to say, I laughed.

What is wrong with tea bagging? I tea bagged all day yesterday and I watched other people tea bag too! Why does everyone keep laughing at me? Tea bagging was so great that I'll tea bag again and I'll ask others to join with me.

Stop laughing!

 

[YSSMAN]

What does that system have to say about arming and training the crew themselves instead of hiring mercenaries onto the ship?

As far as I understand it, that's two different things. While I see no reason why a private company wouldn't be able to do so, ultimately, it becomes a larger hazard (presumably) for insurance and liability purposes.

Plus, who doesn't want to say "Hey 'Merica, need a job? Want to see the world? Hunt pirates for cash money, SON!" That's an economic recovery plan in itself...

If we were to adopt that plan, it certainly would be a good time to be a Mercenary.

Oh, and the reference before... Just made me think of the game. I think I may have to pop it in the 360 when I get home.

 

[Keef]

They just showed an animation of an electric fence design for ships. It was quite long and stuck out horizontally from the edge. Negotiating it somehow would be unavoidable. But of course if these Pirates can't actually get on a ship they'll probably just grenade it until it sinks...

 

[YSSMAN]

What about a Grappling Hook gun thingy? You know, to get to the deck a bit faster?

Meh.

I keep wondering what kind of effect this is going to have on "Talk Like a Pirate Day," and those Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Hell, even the Pirate Bay. Is it still going to be "cool" to be a pirate anymore?

 

[Keef]

I'm from West Carrollton, Brad, so yes, it will always be cool to be a Pirate.

Our rivals? The Miamisburg Vikings. When's the last time you heard of vikings raping and pillaging, eh? Yeah, that's what I thought. Spit on them fools, and Pirates forever!

 

[FoolKiller]

Is it still going to be "cool" to be a pirate anymore?

As long as those ninjas keep getting uppity, yes.

 

[YSSMAN]

Yarrr... Its always good to be a pirate.

Allegedly.

 

[FoolKiller]

When the Somali pirates start drinking rum non-stop and keeping small pets of some form on their shoulders then we can talk about their affect on the cool factor of real pirates.

Swords may be required too as RPGs are just poor form and not very savvy.

 

[High-Test]

I'm a fan of the pocket warship doctrine myself. Remember the Pinguin? 💡


A vulcan or two hidden in a crate is never a bad idea. Have German shepherds on deck to alert if people are trying to board, and an armed security detail.


Eventually they'll figure out that they can graduate from RPG-7s and Avtomat Kalashnikov model whateverthehellitisnow and instead begin to capture more Ukranian motor vessels laden with tanks. They will weld the tanks to the decks of their ships, and then they will have smallbore shipboard cannon.

 

[Keef]

The Navy uses radar-brained gatling guns on ships that can detect and follow targets. Their aim is to destroy missiles before they get to the ship.

So how about some of those on cargo ships? They could use some sort of close-range radar that can detect things moving near the water's surface, and then the guns could spray it into oblivion. I believe I just came up with a genius idea.





Okay, maybe that and its explosive rounds are a bit much. But it'd sure make those pirates **** and fall back in it!

 

[Tornado]

So how about some of those on cargo ships? They could use some sort of close-range radar that can detect things moving near the water's surface, and then the guns could spray it into oblivion. I believe I just came up with a genius idea.

Can you imagine what would happen if a pirate crew got ahold of one anyways?

 

[FoolKiller]

Can you imagine what would happen if a pirate crew got ahold of one anyways?

Then it obviously doesn't work, so no big deal.

Or you give it a dead man code that has to be punched in every 24 hours or it shuts itself off and cannot be reactivated without a Naval technician. Pirates take the ship and they are left with a dead gun because they don't know the code.

 

[Keef]

They're also busy developing Unmanned Surface Vessels, which I think I saw on the news the other day.





As a matter of fact, that second video has already been on YouTube for 2 years!

 

[ledhed]

I hope you are more educated than this post makes you seem.

Actually its very difficult typing with this jacket on .

But thank you for your concern about my education...pls send me cash so I can take an escape from institution course...

 

[Tornado]

Actually its very difficult typing with this jacket on .

Though, in my opinion, the second sentence kind of ruined the first.

 

[ledhed]

I honestly thought the origional post --he used to express concern over my torture by nuns and liberals along with the public school system --all of whom I blame BTW .

Was a fairly insane --but actually lucid --expression of how the events where being presented by BOTH sides --pro -anti -Obamaman .

I guess --Jimmy Carter light didn't sink in .

We have a guy with almost No experiance as president ---he was elected like an "American idol " contestent ...

And now we get to watch him go through his " on the job training "

While hopoing the world won't explode with this guy in charge of some really cool toys ...

I mean a Destroyer vs a row boat ....

it took 4 days ?

he had 15 comitee's and 40 consults ---now they have some Kid --who got beat up and ice picked to put on trial ...

And BTW --after his Jolly rodger show ....Mr Obama was owned by Hugo and Ortega .

Sorry but I hope he grows into the job --BEFORE Pakistan-Iran _etc...all decide its playtime.

 

[niky]

Yup, send a flamethrower to swat flies at the dinner table... oh... and don't burn the pot roast in the process.

That's why it took four days... they were busy finding the "low" setting.

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Hey, except for second-termers, everyone who steps into the Oval Office is getting straight, on-the-job training. Everyone who hasn't been a vice-president once or twice, that is.

 

[ledhed]

You guys HAVE to watch south Park version of events ....

LOL

It puts it all in great perspective,