RS V2/CSP Clutch Mystery

[Rotard12a]

As some of you may know, assuming you didn't get fed up with my endless CSP inquiries in a certain other thread (sorry, but your help was indeed appreciated 👍) I ended up getting the CSP version of the GT3 RS. Got it yesterday and am loving it, just one problem: The clutch doesn't work for GT5

I know to press the triangle button

Doesn't work at all. Car functions exactly the same as regular clutchless manual sequential shift mode.

Triangle: Have pressed immediately after the track loads, have pressed it immediately after the in-car view starts, have pressed it immediately after the race starts, have pressed it with all combinations of pedal depression, have pressed it on the Sixaxis, have pressed it with no Sixaxis hooked up from the start of the game, etc.
PS3 Mode: Turned on, red dot and all. Turned on while in game and not in XMB as instructed by manual.
PC Games: Clutch is recognized and works fine in Fanatec calibration as well as iRacing
CSP Physical Unit: I see no disconnected wires or signs of damage. Accelerator steering vibration and ABS work splendidly.
Firmware: Updated to 681
GT5: First tried resetting all control options to default, then created a new PS3 user to start a completely new game from scratch. No luck.
Cars Used: Have tried both older models that were never offered with a flappy paddle gearbox and newer models that use the flappies exclusively.
PS3 Firmware Up to date

I don't have access to confirmed working versions of another PS3, GT3RS V2 or ClubSport Pedal set. Naturally, this makes identifying the culprit difficult.

Help

 

[gslooney]

Do you have an H shifter attached? I'm guessing yes since you want to use the clutch?

 

[andrez004]

you don't have a shifter do ya?

 

[Rotard12a]

As stated, the clutch works great for other games, and it's a load of fun/realism. But it is not working with the PS3/GT5P/GT3RS/GSP combo.

You don't have a shifter, do you?

Paddle shifter. Came mounted on the wheel.

Do you have an H shifter attached? I'm guessing yes since you want to use the clutch?

While I can understand the rhetoric here, the clutch is a completely separate mechanism from the gearbox. I want to use the clutch because the real fun comes from a 3-pedal setup, not from having an h-gate (which does the exact same job as paddles except that you can skip gears).

So, back to the point: My clutch is not working in GT5. How do I fix this?

 

[andrez004]

As stated, the clutch works great for other games, and it's a load of fun/realism. But it is not working with the PS3/GT5P/GT3RS/GSP combo.



Paddle shifter. Came mounted on the wheel.



While I can understand the rhetoric here, the clutch is a completely separate mechanism from the gearbox. I want to use the clutch because the real fun comes from a 3-pedal setup, not from having an h-gate (which does the exact same job as paddles except that you can skip gears).

So, back to the point: My clutch is not working in GT5. How do I fix this?

Dude from what I heard you can't use the clutch with the paddles in gt5p. If I'm wrong someone please tell me as I can't use the clutch either!!! my shifters are on back order.

 

[UK-Gamer]

Dude from what I heard you can't use the clutch with the paddles in gt5p. If I'm wrong someone please tell me as I can't use the clutch either!!! my shifters are on back order.

You are right.

 

[Rotard12a]

Dude from what I heard you can't use the clutch with the paddles in gt5p. If I'm wrong someone please tell me as I can't use the clutch either!!! my shifters are on back order.

Well, that's pretty lame... guess my clutch is for imaginary use only until Fanatec distributes shifter attachments =/

 

[UK-Gamer]

Well, that's pretty lame... guess my clutch is for imaginary use only until Fanatec distributes shifter attachments =/

Why?

 

[andrez004]

I haven't driven any flappy paddle gearboxes in real life. Do they usually have a clutch? I thought majority use those dual wet clutch systems without clutches.

 

[Jav]

I haven't driven any flappy paddle gearboxes in real life. Do they usually have a clutch? I thought majority use those dual wet clutch systems without clutches.

Actually the point of the paddle shifter is to eliminate the use/time required to actuate the clutch/shifter... So I don't really understand the problem here.
If you want a real simulation you will never get the clutch to work with paddle shifters.

 

[andrez004]

Actually the point of the paddle shifter is to eliminate the use/time required to actuate the clutch/shifter... So I don't really understand the problem here.
If you want a real simulation you will never get the clutch to work with paddle shifters.

That's exactly what I thought thanks. So can you use the clutch with the sequential shifter option? I know in cars with sequential transmissions you use the clutch but if they have I think dog engagement then you can up shift without. I don't know a ton because a sequential tranny for my evo is like 10 grand... ouch

 

[Rotard12a]

I don't really understand the problem here.
If you want a real simulation you will never get the clutch to work with paddle shifters.

A. Most real race cars with sequential/semi-automatic gearboxes still have a user-operated clutch (though in the form of a trigger). It's just set that the computer does the work after launch/first gear.

B. Just because you're used associating an H-gate with a clutch and you're used to associating paddle shifters with no clutch doesn't mean that flipping them vice-versa can't or hasn't already been done.
Clutchless H-gate: http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/sh...amp-TRACK-6-SPEED-w-Clutchless-Up-Down-Shifts
Clutched Paddles: http://www.harrisonmotorsports.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1099

C. The fun and challenge of using a clutch has nothing to do with the method of selecting the gear (with the exception of selecting the wrong gear). When it comes down to it, paddles are no different from a shift lever. They're both devices that the user employs to select a gear. Just because in commercial vehicles the computer does the clutch work for me does not in any way mean that I want it to. So, if I have a clutch and I have a shifter (be it paddles or an H-gate, or a joystick, or a straw you blow into) WHY should I NOT be able to use it?

D. The professionals over at iRacing don't have a problem with letting you use your clutch with a non-h-gate shifter, and it's generally considered to be a more realistic simulator than Gran Turismo.

E. My final, and most salient, point is that if Fanatec was distributing h-gates I would have one, but they aren't, so here I am with a useless clutch pedal.

 

[UK-Gamer]

Fanatec do H-Gates, check accesories.

 

[andrez004]

A. Most real race cars with sequential/semi-automatic gearboxes still have a user-operated clutch (though in the form of a trigger). It's just set that the computer does the work after launch/first gear.

B. Just because you're used associating an H-gate with a clutch and you're used to associating paddle shifters with no clutch doesn't mean that flipping them vice-versa can't or hasn't already been done.
Clutchless H-gate: http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/sh...amp-TRACK-6-SPEED-w-Clutchless-Up-Down-Shifts
Clutched Paddles: http://www.harrisonmotorsports.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1099

C. The fun and challenge of using a clutch has nothing to do with the method of selecting the gear (with the exception of selecting the wrong gear). When it comes down to it, paddles are no different from a shift lever. They're both devices that the user employs to select a gear. Just because they're paddles doesn't mean I want some computer to take the fun out of using the clutch for me. So, if I have a clutch and I have a shifter (be it paddles or an H-gate, or a joystick, or a straw you blow into) WHY should I NOT be able to use it?

D. The professionals over at iRacing don't have a problem with letting you use your clutch with a non-h-gate shifter, and it's generally considered to be a more realistic simulator than Gran Turismo.

E. My final, and most salient, point is that if Fanatec was distributing h-gates I would have one, but they aren't, so here I am with a useless clutch pedal.

Yup they really need to make the clutch an option with all forms of shifting. I know Fanatec is on this site... maybe they could chime in on if it's possible for a future update on the GT3

 

[Rotard12a]

Fanatec do H-Gates, check accesories.

Try to order one from the American stores

 

[Jav]

C. The fun and challenge of using a clutch has nothing to do with the method of selecting the gear (with the exception of selecting the wrong gear). When it comes down to it, paddles are no different from a shift lever. They're both devices that the user employs to select a gear. Just because in commercial vehicles the computer does the clutch work for me does not in any way mean that I want it to. So, if I have a clutch and I have a shifter (be it paddles or an H-gate, or a joystick, or a straw you blow into) WHY should I NOT be able to use it?

D. The professionals over at iRacing don't have a problem with letting you use your clutch with a non-h-gate shifter, and it's generally considered to be a more realistic simulator than Gran Turismo.

Woha, easy there buddy! Don't really understand the point of this thread, if it's not supported it's not supported. The game is designed arround a specific set of cars and specific scenarios, now if you want your clutch to work with paddles, why not go to iRacing instead of crating a useless thread to bitch about it?

 

[Rotard12a]

Woha, easy there buddy! Don't really understand the point of this thread, if it's not supported it's not supported. The game is designed arround a specific set of cars and specific scenarios, now if you want your clutch to work with paddles, why not go to iRacing instead of crating a useless thread to bitch about it?

I'm not trying to "bitch" about it. I created the thread thinking there was a problem that I could fix, and it turned out that it was an oversight that I couldn't fix. When people said they din't understand that it was an oversight, I explained why it was in detail.

Why not go to iRacing? Because GT5 might not have the best physics, but I think it's a much more enjoyable game and it's the one I bought the pedals for

And, as andrez004 pointed out, maybe it's something that Fanatec could make a work-around for. Or maybe, by a lucky chance, some PD research goon will stumble upon this thread and make note of it as a little bit of code to change in a future patch

 

[andrez004]

Yeah I'm wishing fanatec could change this. I would definitely like youse the clutch with the two other shifting options. Maybe because the rverse button is used to activate the cluct makes for problems. Maybe they could code in a combination of buttons to activate it. I'm kinda bummed out now as I thought I was gonna be able to use the sequential shifter with the clutch in gt5