RX-7 FC drifting!

Differentials (open differential)

The differential has three main jobs:

1. To direct the engine power to the wheels...
2. To act as the final gear reduction in the vehicle, reducing the rotational movement of the transmission one final time before it hits the wheels
3. To transmit the power to the wheels while allowing them to rotate at different speeds (This is where the differential earned its name.)

The wheels on your vehicle spin at different speeds, especially when turning. As you can see from the diagram, each wheel travels a different distance through any given turn, and the inside wheels travel a shorter distance than the outside wheels. Because of this, the wheels that travel a shorter distance travel at a lower speed. It's also important to remember that the front wheels travel a different distance than the rear wheels.

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For the non-powered wheels on your car (the front wheels on a rear-wheel drive car) this is not a problem, as they just spin freely and will turn at different speeds without the need for a differential. However, the driven wheels are linked together so a single transmission can send power to both wheels. If we didn't have differentials, the wheels would be forced to travel at the same speed, making it very difficult to turn...

open differentials always apply the same torque to both wheels, and that is the downfall of this type of differential... Torque will always travel the path of least resistance. So, if one wheel starts to slip, all the torque is transfered to that wheel, leaving the other wheel pretty much powerless. This is where the limited slip differential comes in...

Limited Slip Differentials

Limited slip differentials use various components to allow normal differential action when going around turns. Put in layman's terms, when a wheel slips, they allow more torque to be transferred to the non-slipping wheel.

Manufacturers make LSD's in different configurations and are generally classified as 1 way, 1.5 way, and 2 way. This designation reflects the design of the cam groove which enables the LSD to function differently under different loads. A 1 way differential just means the cam is shaped in such way as to have positive lock (equal torque distribution) only when accelerating. The 2 way differential is constructed in a way to have positive lock motion in either acceleration or deceleration. The 1.5 way differential is a fairly new term used to describe the 2 way cam which allows different lock up rates during the two directional forces. The 1.5 distribute positive lock stronger under acceleration than when decelerating. The 1.5 way can be more forgiving durring braking than a full 2 way setup. However, it is less effective in racing situations. It provides easier operation for beginners (mostly when off the throttle). You see them a lot on front wheel drive cars (FF) which need extra stability during braking...

I hope that helps...



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RX-7_FC_DrIfteR
Nicely said SD. 👍

You should post that in the GT3 write ups for future use.

I agree that is very concise.
 
Stinky Chicken
Yeah, but it doesn't teach me how to set the differential up... :(

Actually, it does. You have to read it and deduce it for yourself. If you do understand how it works, then setting it up should just be a matter of trial and error to see how you like it.
 
Stinky Chicken
I don't understand how it works. :P

Ok, then read DR's explaination again. Go to howstuffworks.com and check out LSD's there and also to some side research. The more you know about how a specific part is supposed to operate the better you will be able to tune it.

We could just say, "Set your Accel to 40". But if you don't understand what's happening when you do that, it's kind of pointless, you know? 💡
 
Yep, I know.

I don't understand a thing about the setup. I'm not dumb, I just never took the time to get to know it, seeing I won most races without even touching the setup. :lol:
 
Stinky Chicken
Yep, I know.

I don't understand a thing about the setup. I'm not dumb, I just never took the time to get to know it, seeing I won most races without even touching the setup. :lol:

Then it looks like this would be a great time to learn. :)
 
Stinky Chicken
Yep. I'll learn just as soon as I can be bothered. :P

So...what are you doing right now? why not take the time to go look at a few things?
 
Swift
So...what are you doing right now? why not take the time to go look at a few things?

I hate to shoot your suggestion full of holes, but I have a headache and at this time I don't have the attention span to focus on anything longer than this sentence... :ouch:

Speaking of headaches, do you reckon this guy's got a headache yet? He's been banging away for the best part of two years! :lol:

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Oh, GT helps me focus, but not at incredistupid times of the morning with a thumping headache... :dunce:

BTW, aren't you supposed to be "busy"? You just told me to "IM you later"... :odd:
 
Stinky Chicken
Yeah, but it doesn't teach me how to set the differential up... :(

Alright... I guess I'll have to do the work for you huh?...

I'll type up a detailed description of the effects of the different LSD settings (i.e initial, accel, decel, low or high settings, etc...) a bit later (probably later today)... I'll add it to the first post of the "GT Write ups" thread, as well as posting it here...

Ok, then read DR's explaination again. Go to howstuffworks.com and check out LSD's there and also do some side research. The more you know about how a specific part is supposed to operate the better you will be able to tune it...

Very good advice... Nothing comes easy... Research is the best way to better understand anything in this world... However, I will bring the information to you (and others) so it will be an easy to find resource...



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hey guys, isnt the TCS and ASM too low for the settings for a FD? i put my TCS-2 and ASM-2....well, thats me tho. if put it to low, i would easily oversteer during the drift.
 
2of9
hey guys, isnt the TCS and ASM too low for the settings for a FD? i put my TCS-2 and ASM-2....well, thats me tho. if put it to low, i would easily oversteer during the drift.
always turn off the TCS AND ASM
 
2of9
hey guys, isnt the TCS and ASM too low for the settings for a FD? i put my TCS-2 and ASM-2....well, thats me tho. if put it to low, i would easily oversteer during the drift.

The TCS applies the brakes and/or let's off the throttle when the sensors detect wheel spin... This is extremely counterproductive for drifting... Take some time and drift with some stock FR vehicles on sims (with ASM and TCS off) It will feel very odd since you have been drifting with ASM and TCS on... However, you will be the better for it... The computer aids hurt just as much as they help...



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So true, i just don't see why poeple would jack up there TCS? Well i saw some people do it befor, well like my self. In the begining i use like tcs 6 with a 800hp car. But if i ever tried that again it would feel like drifitng with a FF car.
 
Delphic Reason
... Take some time and drift with some stock FR vehicles on sims (with ASM and TCS off) It will feel very odd since you have been drifting with ASM and TCS on... However, you will be the better for it... The computer aids hurt just as much as they help...

I have been doing this for the past few days (im a drifting n00b) and it is probably the best advice for anyone wishing to learn how to drift. drive experimentally, try different techniques and dont always let your prior racing knowledge or techniques govern how you practice your drifting. try doing a time trial in a stock vehicle on sims and do laps for a half hour- hour or so and you WILL see an improvement in your drifting abilities. and you only get better....
 

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