Second Impressions...

[GT5 Level 41]

This is not my first GT. In fact, I've had them all since the PS1 demo disk. I was not impressed my first day. It has quickly grown on me. I found the home page interface clumsy and confusing at first. I wish it was clearer on how to open shops and what the unmarked ones were. Finding races was more obscured than previous iterations.

Day two and I'm grinding like the good ol' days. Already looking for future updates on the legacy tracks.

Definitely a game that took way too long to release. I see it as an updated re-release at best. Not enough of what I was hoping for, by that I mean tracks.

 

[TT92]

I use a PS4 Pro and T300 wheel. I have the platinum trophies for GT5,6 & GTS (x2 as I did them twice for each account) so I do know GT games quite well. I am almost halfway through GT7 at this stage.

So my comments so far are:

GT7 is the biggest load of self indulgent wank I have ever seen from Kaz! I see why the game was so huge to download, it is full of HD videos that you can't skip, showcasing Kaz's work(?).

The whole game and menu system is soooo clunky it is just plain stupid and painful. e.g to have different tyres on a car you have to leave the track, load the Tuning Workshop, go and buy the tyres you want and them return to the track to be able to use them >:-(

There is no PP slider in car setup! (that I have found) You can Equip a fully tuneable ECU though.

Chase the rabbit is even more painful in this game. One race, I came screaming up on the rabbit only to find out it was a DeLorean!!! And it was driving like a drunk on his way home on a late Friday night!

This has the same or worse AI from the previous games (Yuk!)

Kaz has changed Deep Forrest and Trial Mountain "to make them look pretty" and so has changed the character of the tracks and so they have lost the "feel" they used to have :-( Kaz needs to put his gardening gloves on and get the hedge trimmers out!

Interesting to note that my GTS driver ranking carried over to GT7. Also interesting to noet in daily races you supply your own tuned car. The only race I tried was at High Speed Ring in a Honda Fit (IIRC) I was 7 seconds a lap off the pace :-( That'll teach me to use a standard car, untuned and below the PP level >:-(

The licenses and missions I either got Gold first try (most of them) or it was really hard work. I still need to get Gold licenses in two events, Supra GT3 car at Tokyo (1 second off and I HATE the track) and Porsche at Spa in the wet(0.5sec off)

Speaking of self indulgent wank, the Music Rallies! FFS let us turn the music OFF! Can't hear the car. BTW have Gold in all of them and it is all you can do while the game downloads :-(

All in all I can't say that I like the game very much and I anticipate that the average player is going to go insane over it because it involves a lot work to get through to unlock things e.g multiplayer.

In short, it is a graphically overblown, clunky mess that is not geared to racing. It is more akin to little girls that want to collect Barbies and play dress up!

Now back to the grind >:-(

 

[NevilleNobody]

I use a PS4 Pro and T300 wheel. I have the platinum trophies for GT5,6 & GTS (x2 as I did them twice for each account) so I do know GT games quite well. I am almost halfway through GT7 at this stage.

So my comments so far are:

GT7 is the biggest load of self indulgent wank I have ever seen from Kaz! I see why the game was so huge to download, it is full of HD videos that you can't skip, showcasing Kaz's work(?).

The whole game and menu system is soooo clunky it is just plain stupid and painful. e.g to have different tyres on a car you have to leave the track, load the Tuning Workshop, go and buy the tyres you want and them return to the track to be able to use them >:-(

There is no PP slider in car setup! (that I have found) You can Equip a fully tuneable ECU though.

Chase the rabbit is even more painful in this game. One race, I came screaming up on the rabbit only to find out it was a DeLorean!!! And it was driving like a drunk on his way home on a late Friday night!

This has the same or worse AI from the previous games (Yuk!)

Kaz has changed Deep Forrest and Trial Mountain "to make them look pretty" and so has changed the character of the tracks and so they have lost the "feel" they used to have :-( Kaz needs to put his gardening gloves on and get the hedge trimmers out!

Interesting to note that my GTS driver ranking carried over to GT7. Also interesting to noet in daily races you supply your own tuned car. The only race I tried was at High Speed Ring in a Honda Fit (IIRC) I was 7 seconds a lap off the pace :-( That'll teach me to use a standard car, untuned and below the PP level >:-(

The licenses and missions I either got Gold first try (most of them) or it was really hard work. I still need to get Gold licenses in two events, Supra GT3 car at Tokyo (1 second off and I HATE the track) and Porsche at Spa in the wet(0.5sec off)

Speaking of self indulgent wank, the Music Rallies! FFS let us turn the music OFF! Can't hear the car. BTW have Gold in all of them and it is all you can do while the game downloads :-(

All in all I can't say that I like the game very much and I anticipate that the average player is going to go insane over it because it involves a lot work to get through to unlock things e.g multiplayer.

In short, it is a graphically overblown, clunky mess that is not geared to racing. It is more akin to little girls that want to collect Barbies and play dress up!

Now back to the grind >:-(

Honestly you're not far off. Its so self indulgent, so bloated, so clunky and seems to want to avoid racing altogether.

So much time wasted on things we don't need but the ai, the penalty system, the menu etc is a messing a video game for gamers not a racing game for racers

 

[DemiseOllie]

😴😴😴😴😴😴😴

 

[s0cks]

It is a bit of a weird game imo. It feels like it wants to desperately give people the skills to learn and love racing but then not actually give you any decent racing.... Just catch the rabbit events with really poor AI. The GT racing events are a lot better and I'm surprised they aren't featured more as part of the campaign (maybe they are later? I'm only half way through the menus), but even they seem to be limited to single events with a pre-set grid position (no qualifying).

I think Sport mode has potential. I hear credits are a lot easier to come by later in the game, and once I've got a handle on how to tune my car, it could be quite interesting. I'm trying not to get all sour about the loss of BoP being the standard as it was in GTS. I think we need to give it some time before coming to rash conclusions.

But yeah. I don't know what old numbered GT games were like, but the single player is very boring if your passion is to race rather than just collect cars, which is a shame cus the driving itself is pretty fun imo, and like I said up top, it's got all the tools to help people learn to be competent sim race drivers.

 

[Mark folsom]

Kaz: We've had 20 years to make good AI. Are we there yet?

Team: No.

Kaz: Okay then, just give them a whole lot of pretty cars, coffee, a photo studio, tons of useless documentarium, and some stupid crap to do other than actually race. Oh and make the tires super slick. Throw in some black ice on corners. These wankers will think it's improved physics. 🤣

Team: Roger that Kaz!

 

[s0cks]

Apparently a number of the car histories are actually wrong too (though I can't confirm). Tbh, I enabled the skip conversation button now so I don't need to deal with the talking heads so much.

 

[Yard_Sale]

I think unfortunately, a lot of people are missing the beauty and the point of this game. Yes, a few parts of the menus are clunky, but not many. Some of us more seasoned sim racers are a bit frustrated with the career mode, having to click through the dialogue about the menus, the long cut scenes when we get a new track…whatever. But A LOT of the people that will inevitably play this game aren’t sim racers, they’re not car aficionados. They have no clue websites dedicated to sim racing even are around. They’re probably your run of the mill gamers. All this fluff is for them, or aging guys like me who were mesmerized 25 years ago by this game. This game brings back so many fond memories of my teenage years. It’s crazy how good of a job GT7 has done to capture that kid in me, while evolving into something that the adult me demands and appreciates.

I for one am doing my very best (and sometimes failing) at taking my time through this game, enjoying the menus, enjoying the little details. I too like everyone else, want to get to the good parts of this game. I also want to have all my dream cars in my garage. I want to start competing in sport mode and maybe get to A+. But all those things are going to be there for me for at least the next 4-5 years. I only get 1 chance at my first play through of a game that I think has done the entire Gran Turismo franchise justice. I can stand to wait a few weeks to get to the good stuff.

Yes the AI blows, but A LOT OF THE PEOPLE playing this game won't know the difference. Yes, Music Rally is absolutely weird, but I can forgive that. Yes, the economy of this game sucks, but hopefully they'll improve it organically.... or Ill start dolling out a $20 every once in a while.

I just want to take it all in. The more I play this game, the more I realize that it was worth the wait

 

[Rob192005]

Once I got past the fact it wasn't the be all and end all we were all hoping for mostly due to the pandemic and cross platform I can appreciate it for what it is in it's own right,and that isn't a bad game indeed,it'll be even better in a year or two when we we get all the dlc.

 

[s0cks]

Yeah it's definitely not a bad game. I still want to play it. I guess I'm just old, cus tbh, I find pretty much every new game disappointing lol. I think the online hype train with many games sets me up for way too much disappointment.

 

[CBH]

I think unfortunately, a lot of people are missing the beauty and the point of this game. Yes, a few parts of the menus are clunky, but not many. Some of us more seasoned sim racers are a bit frustrated with the career mode, having to click through the dialogue about the menus, the long cut scenes when we get a new track…whatever. But A LOT of the people that will inevitably play this game aren’t sim racers, they’re not car aficionados. They have no clue websites dedicated to sim racing even are around. They’re probably your run of the mill gamers. All this fluff is for them, or aging guys like me who were mesmerized 25 years ago by this game. This game brings back so many fond memories of my teenage years. It’s crazy how good of a job GT7 has done to capture that kid in me, while evolving into something that the adult me demands and appreciates.

I for one am doing my very best (and sometimes failing) at taking my time through this game, enjoying the menus, enjoying the little details. I too like everyone else, want to get to the good parts of this game. I also want to have all my dream cars in my garage. I want to start competing in sport mode and maybe get to A+. But all those things are going to be there for me for at least the next 4-5 years. I only get 1 chance at my first play through of a game that I think has done the entire Gran Turismo franchise justice. I can stand to wait a few weeks to get to the good stuff.

Yes the AI blows, but A LOT OF THE PEOPLE playing this game won't know the difference. Yes, Music Rally is absolutely weird, but I can forgive that. Yes, the economy of this game sucks, but hopefully they'll improve it organically.... or Ill start dolling out a $20 every once in a while.

I just want to take it all in. The more I play this game, the more I realize that it was worth the wait

Well said my friend .

 

[Psyco19]

Idk, I am 100% loving all of this game. Spent the whole weekend playing (what time I got) and no where did I feel “this is annoying”

I spent a bunch of time just learning about the tuning shop, reading the car info in the garage.

Just repeating licenses until I got gold on all of B and A. Working through IB now

 

[HyperSpeeder]

This game was not made primarily for GT Sport players.

The Café progression is aimed at people taking their baby steps into the world of the automobile, even children. Of course us veterans of these types of games are gonna be frustrated, whether it's with the lack of difficulty or the redundant trivia, but you have to put things into perspective here and consider that the game is aimed at a broad audience, as are most AAA games.

In fact, arriving at real life club racing with an hypercompetitive attitude typical of professional drivers won't earn you many friends, and these early, easy events are basically that, even in name.

 

[Wheatybic]

GT was always rags to riches but this one has you with a 50 car garage within a few hours. Also gotta love participation rewards giving you a car for third or higher

 

[Monkey Man]

As a few here have said, the game seriously blows.

That's why it's scoring 9s, 9.5s and 10s.

How dare PD dish up this dog's breakfast when I was hoping for a gourmet feast... with chillies?

 

[DemiseOllie]

I think unfortunately, a lot of people are missing the beauty and the point of this game. Yes, a few parts of the menus are clunky, but not many. Some of us more seasoned sim racers are a bit frustrated with the career mode, having to click through the dialogue about the menus, the long cut scenes when we get a new track…whatever. But A LOT of the people that will inevitably play this game aren’t sim racers, they’re not car aficionados. They have no clue websites dedicated to sim racing even are around. They’re probably your run of the mill gamers. All this fluff is for them, or aging guys like me who were mesmerized 25 years ago by this game. This game brings back so many fond memories of my teenage years. It’s crazy how good of a job GT7 has done to capture that kid in me, while evolving into something that the adult me demands and appreciates.

I for one am doing my very best (and sometimes failing) at taking my time through this game, enjoying the menus, enjoying the little details. I too like everyone else, want to get to the good parts of this game. I also want to have all my dream cars in my garage. I want to start competing in sport mode and maybe get to A+. But all those things are going to be there for me for at least the next 4-5 years. I only get 1 chance at my first play through of a game that I think has done the entire Gran Turismo franchise justice. I can stand to wait a few weeks to get to the good stuff.

Yes the AI blows, but A LOT OF THE PEOPLE playing this game won't know the difference. Yes, Music Rally is absolutely weird, but I can forgive that. Yes, the economy of this game sucks, but hopefully they'll improve it organically.... or Ill start dolling out a $20 every once in a while.

I just want to take it all in. The more I play this game, the more I realize that it was worth the wait

Finally a very very good reply.

 

[Rivanov]

I think unfortunately, a lot of people are missing the beauty and the point of this game. Yes, a few parts of the menus are clunky, but not many. Some of us more seasoned sim racers are a bit frustrated with the career mode, having to click through the dialogue about the menus, the long cut scenes when we get a new track…whatever. But A LOT of the people that will inevitably play this game aren’t sim racers, they’re not car aficionados. They have no clue websites dedicated to sim racing even are around. They’re probably your run of the mill gamers. All this fluff is for them, or aging guys like me who were mesmerized 25 years ago by this game. This game brings back so many fond memories of my teenage years. It’s crazy how good of a job GT7 has done to capture that kid in me, while evolving into something that the adult me demands and appreciates.

I for one am doing my very best (and sometimes failing) at taking my time through this game, enjoying the menus, enjoying the little details. I too like everyone else, want to get to the good parts of this game. I also want to have all my dream cars in my garage. I want to start competing in sport mode and maybe get to A+. But all those things are going to be there for me for at least the next 4-5 years. I only get 1 chance at my first play through of a game that I think has done the entire Gran Turismo franchise justice. I can stand to wait a few weeks to get to the good stuff.

Yes the AI blows, but A LOT OF THE PEOPLE playing this game won't know the difference. Yes, Music Rally is absolutely weird, but I can forgive that. Yes, the economy of this game sucks, but hopefully they'll improve it organically.... or Ill start dolling out a $20 every once in a while.

I just want to take it all in. The more I play this game, the more I realize that it was worth the wait

Amen.

 

[Nielsen]

The more I play it, the more I dislike it. My first impression was 7 out 10 but now I’m closer to scoring it 5 out of 10. Lots of great content trapped in a conflicted game with very weird physics, which is a first for this franchise. It has all the right ingredients, but so much doesn’t feel right.

 

[danowat]

Are the 38 (?) cafe menus essentially the entirety of the single player content?

 

[NICKname]

There essentially is no career mode, only an extended tutorial. The game ends after it has only just started. There are no serious, long events. License tests are completely optional as well. Circuit experiences are pointless. There are a bunch of events that seem to not be part of the career mode (for no reason).

That's my second impression, and it's sad that I've already finished the "career mode" by the time people are asking for second impressions.

 

[thelvynau]

I use a PS4 Pro and T300 wheel. I have the platinum trophies for GT5,6 & GTS (x2 as I did them twice for each account) so I do know GT games quite well. I am almost halfway through GT7 at this stage.

So my comments so far are:

GT7 is the biggest load of self indulgent wank I have ever seen from Kaz! I see why the game was so huge to download, it is full of HD videos that you can't skip, showcasing Kaz's work(?).

The whole game and menu system is soooo clunky it is just plain stupid and painful. e.g to have different tyres on a car you have to leave the track, load the Tuning Workshop, go and buy the tyres you want and them return to the track to be able to use them >:-(

There is no PP slider in car setup! (that I have found) You can Equip a fully tuneable ECU though.

Chase the rabbit is even more painful in this game. One race, I came screaming up on the rabbit only to find out it was a DeLorean!!! And it was driving like a drunk on his way home on a late Friday night!

This has the same or worse AI from the previous games (Yuk!)

Kaz has changed Deep Forrest and Trial Mountain "to make them look pretty" and so has changed the character of the tracks and so they have lost the "feel" they used to have :-( Kaz needs to put his gardening gloves on and get the hedge trimmers out!

Interesting to note that my GTS driver ranking carried over to GT7. Also interesting to noet in daily races you supply your own tuned car. The only race I tried was at High Speed Ring in a Honda Fit (IIRC) I was 7 seconds a lap off the pace :-( That'll teach me to use a standard car, untuned and below the PP level >:-(

The licenses and missions I either got Gold first try (most of them) or it was really hard work. I still need to get Gold licenses in two events, Supra GT3 car at Tokyo (1 second off and I HATE the track) and Porsche at Spa in the wet(0.5sec off)

Speaking of self indulgent wank, the Music Rallies! FFS let us turn the music OFF! Can't hear the car. BTW have Gold in all of them and it is all you can do while the game downloads :-(

All in all I can't say that I like the game very much and I anticipate that the average player is going to go insane over it because it involves a lot work to get through to unlock things e.g multiplayer.

In short, it is a graphically overblown, clunky mess that is not geared to racing. It is more akin to little girls that want to collect Barbies and play dress up!

Now back to the grind >:-(

The pp slider would be I. The form of the power limiter in the upgrades store I down graded a few cars with that

 

[Mark folsom]

The more I play it, the more I dislike it. My first impression was 7 out 10 but now I’m closer to scoring it 5 out of 10. Lots of great content trapped in a conflicted game with very weird physics, which is a first for this franchise. It has all the right ingredients, but so much doesn’t feel right.

A racing game will always be about the racing. If it fails at that, no amount of paint or cherries on top are going to fix it.

I wonder how much influence the early reviews, and the popular YouTube racers early reviews, had an effect on people's initial impression?

I never trust the YouTubers that have thousands and thousands of followers. They will never tell the honest truth because they'll make half their viewership upset.

 

[o000o]

Honestly you're not far off. Its so self indulgent, so bloated, so clunky and seems to want to avoid racing altogether.

So much time wasted on things we don't need but the ai, the penalty system, the menu etc is a messing a video game for gamers not a racing game for racers

While the AI is a problem for now (that dunno how'd it go later), "things we don't need"? Stop being pretentious.

Kaz: We've had 20 years to make good AI. Are we there yet?

Team: No.

Kaz: Okay then, just give them a whole lot of pretty cars, coffee, a photo studio, tons of useless documentarium, and some stupid crap to do other than actually race. Oh and make the tires super slick. Throw in some black ice on corners. These wankers will think it's improved physics. 🤣

Team: Roger that Kaz!

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-7s-sophy-artificial-intelligence-driving-system-revealed/

You being a purist who has irrational hatred to anything but racing isn't actually the game's problem. Criticizing the AI (though you ignore the link above anyway) is mutually exclusive to belittling all the other features in the game.

Yeah it's definitely not a bad game. I still want to play it. I guess I'm just old, cus tbh, I find pretty much every new game disappointing lol. I think the online hype train with many games sets me up for way too much disappointment.

I know about the AI outcry (just don't know how and when Sophy would be implemented later), but what'd be the not disappointing one to you? Regarding older GTs, there are more to do with cars than just racing.

As a few here have said, the game seriously blows.

That's why it's scoring 9s, 9.5s and 10s.

How dare PD dish up this dog's breakfast when I was hoping for a gourmet feast... with chillies?

"They're just sheeps that blindly shill the game/PD!"

 

[Nielsen]

A racing game will always be about the racing. If it fails at that, no amount of paint or cherries on top are going to fix it.

I disagree. GT Sport was a poor racing game, but it still offered a very enjoyable experience for what it was.

 

[xMAXIx79]

There essentially is no career mode, only an extended tutorial. The game ends after it has only just started. There are no serious, long events. License tests are completely optional as well. Circuit experiences are pointless. There are a bunch of events that seem to not be part of the career mode (for no reason).

That's my second impression, and it's sad that I've already finished the "career mode" by the time people are asking for second impressions.

I only understand a complete career as complete when everything that has to be mastered as a driver is also done and in this case with gold or. was finished in first place.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you when you say you have EVERYTHING, which for me means you have all licenses on gold, all café missions on the highest difficulty, finished all races first and also completed all missions on gold. If that's how I think it is, you still have a lot to do and then just saying you have everything and it's boring is bragging at best.

The game turned out really well for me...

Can/should things still be adjusted/changed? Yes, of course = standstill is a decline, so just wait positively for what is to come.
The graphics really blow my mind, although I'm only playing on a PS4 Pro, I'm thrilled and the emotions that e.g. Triggering Trial Mountain for me are just wonderful. I too have been a GT player since day one. There were years with breaks, but still and especially again I love GT. I'm looking forward to the first sports races with cars in the GT class and I'm hoping for really great experiences there.

 

[DeolTheBeast]

Since launch I have golded every license, completed & golded all the “menu’s” (which I found annoyingly linear and forced) … now speeding through golding all the missions. Expert/Hard difficulty is far from that it seems.

Is it just me or is the game way too easy and casual friendly? Avid player since GT1 & 2.

I think the games great still but the lack of endurance events (as far as I can see anyway) seems a huge miss. The physics are a huge step up on GTS imho. Fingers crossed its all a good base to work from for PD to provide consistent DLC.

 

[NICKname]

only understand a complete career as complete when everything that has to be mastered as a driver is also done and in this case with gold or. was finished in first place.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you when you say you have EVERYTHING, which for me means you have all licenses on gold, all café missions on the highest difficulty, finished all races first and also completed all missions on gold. If that's how I think it is, you still have a lot to do and then just saying you have everything and it's boring is bragging at best.

That's nice, but the career mode ends after menu book 39 when the ending credits are played.

The licenses, missions, and circuit experiences are optional other than the ones you have to do to complete menu books.

And even if they were mandatory, the career mode would still be absolutely tiny compared to previous games. It still would not have any proper long races. It still would not have Gr. 1 racing. For no reason, by the way.

A bunch of special events and time trials isn't going to change that.

 

[o000o]

Since launch I have golded every license, completed & golded all the “menu’s” (which I found annoyingly linear and forced) … now speeding through golding all the missions. Expert/Hard difficulty is far from that it seems.

Is it just me or is the game way too easy and casual friendly? Avid player since GT1 & 2.

I think the games great still but the lack of endurance events (as far as I can see anyway) seems a huge miss. The physics are a huge step up on GTS imho. Fingers crossed its all a good base to work from for PD to provide consistent DLC.

They seem to not touch the AI yet with Sophy not being available at launch (though so far Hard has 2 out of 3 chilis, no Expert though). And the races that some said were challenging had their own chilis separate from the one at difficulty settings (1 to 5 chilis like GT Cup). For License there are people struggling with Licenses like A-9, A-10, and especially S-10.

Dunno about the lack of endurance events, it's about GT7 not displaying all the events at once.

That's nice, but the career mode ends after menu book 39 when the ending credits are played.

The licenses, missions, and circuit experiences are optional other than the ones you have to do to complete menu books.

And even if they were mandatory, the career mode would still be absolutely tiny compared to previous games. It still would not have any proper long races. It still would not have Gr. 1 racing. For no reason, by the way.

A bunch of special events and time trials isn't going to change that.

In GT the credits rolling doesn't mean it ends... you only got to roll credits when you have completed the GT World Championship.... always has been in previous GT games. And nothing's more tiny than the career of GT1 anyway, and there you'll roll credits after you complete mere 4 races (Sunday Cup -> Clubman Cup -> GT Cup -> GT World Cup) without touching any of the Special Events (also only 13 races) if you can.

In GT4 for example you can't open Extreme Hall before you complete all races in Beginner and Professional Hall.... so you'd roll credits (as the last race in Professional Hall were GT World Championship) before opening Extreme Hall (also no missions required to complete too, optional just like GT7).

 

[william2623]

Not sure how anybody feels about the collection of cars.. one of my favourite things in campaign mode was to grind through the races, earning a bit of money and claiming the prize car which I knew I would probably never use, then sell it for the credits to then upgrade my current car or buy a new car for the next event.

This to me was my childhood and the main attraction to GT. I hate how it has come away from this so you own 100+ cars which do absolutely nothing and you can only "discard" then, without winning a car every time you finish a tourney in 1st place.

Once you win the "Café Menu" car for a top 3 finish (which makes no sense). That's it, it's gone and you can just race the race again for no reason.

I really like how this game runs, how it looks, the added extras are a nice touch BUT it's just not a GT game without that dedicated, grinding campaign. Which should also be categorised by licences, like in the days of old!

I REALLY hope they change the campaign. It can't just be all based around the Café with a couple extra races on the odd track here and there, for next to no credits. With no rewards or a chance to sell extra cars....

But I don't think they will

 

[cowboyjon]

Second impressions after 20+ hours of driving:

There's gold in these here hills, but by golly are you gonna have to earn it!

Too many menu books feel like a punishment for being a bad boi. I've just finished 26(ish) - driving jeeps and I hope I'm over the worst of it.

Standouts for me are the book I got to race Japanese cars, with a grip tuned R32 that was sublime and the German book with the M3.