Semi-Joking, Kinda Serious, Sadly.

[Onikaze]

I had an idea for a new feature.

A-Spec, you race.
B-Spec, you watch the game race for you.
C-Spec, you push "Ok" and it completes everything for you?


I'm hoping they improve the physics engine, but I wouldn't be overly surprised.

 

[Emohawk]

From here:

17) Bspec speed multiplier based on race length. IE; 24 hour races can go up to 6x, but 4 hour races can only go up to 3x and anything less can only have 2x.
The way it is, Bspecing a 24h race either prevents you from using your PS2 for 24 hours, or forces you to babysit it all day (pitstop, reset to 3x, repeat). This would prevent people from abusing Bspec for money while still not tying up the console all day.

Your Cspec idea was what originally came to me here, but thats just the same as pressing the button to get money, isn't it? So, I think this is better.
Money's never been too hard to come by in GT, but it's always required at least a little effort, and I think that's a big step above just Cspecing an enduro for 1mil every few seconds until you're maxed out.
I'd love to not babysit Bspec, but instant race completion just lends itself to easily to abuse.

 

[Touring Mars]

Or how about D-Spec? Don't bother buying the game at all?

 

[Superhero Wally]

how about just improving b-spec
such as if you want to speed it up 3x not having to babysit the game and keep changing the speed every pit stop. Just for starters.

 

[Appie]

Or how about D-Spec? Don't bother buying the game at all?

haha

 

[JohnBM01]

In one way, I agree that B-Spec needs some improvement. I'm not going to say however, that it should be someone's "money-making wh*re." The reason why you can't just set up a race and have the AI counterpart "win by default" is because B-Spec is thought of as race director. Think about it. You enter a race and have a young prodigy on the track. As the team principal, it's your job to coach him/her to doing his/her best on the track, even if anything less than 1st is the end result. At times, you'll need to improve the pace when you have to. If you just go 4x or 5x, guess what happens. Your racer screws up, goes off the track and keep losing positions. You also have to know when to overtake. I even did the Le Mans 24 Hours (with chicanes) in GT4 for all 10 hours with the fast speed. When you're leading by a huge margin, maybe THEN can you just keep Overtaking on. But every other time, this is a big plus to many GT gamers. Races I couldn't win in A-Spec, my B-Spec counterpart MIGHT do better than I do. Give the damn B-Spec a chance. I also hate the expression "why let the game play itself for you?"

Well, these are the three complaints I've seen in GT4 about B-Spec:
"...money making wh*re..."
"...win by default..."
"...why let the game play itself for you?"

Now, "press okay, and it completes everything for you," and now THAT'S letting the game play itself for you. Gran Turismo isn't THAT challenging. A game is difficult when the BEST way to beat the game is to use Cheats. A game is difficult when no matter how hard you try, winning is tough. Think of this as a life lesson. You're making it sound like a Staples commercial. Press the "Easy" button to get things done. Life doesn't have an easy button, so why should GT5? Don't give me that "it's just a game" bull:censored:. Want to be the best in GT? Earn it. If you're not good with A-Spec, B-Spec may be your saving grace. Either way, someone's in control of his/her own destiny when one turns on the PS3 with GT5 in it. I know you're probably joking, but I'd just hate seeing that only one button wins everything for you. You want cheap thrills and not play for months and months trying to get everything- stay away from GT5. Hell, stay away from GT games until you have the courage to take on the challenges in each GT. They aren't that hard, so what good is "press a button- win everything?" This had better be a joke, because I'd hate this "C-Spec idea you've proposed.

 

[Master_Yoda]

I had an idea for a new feature.

A-Spec, you race.
B-Spec, you watch the game race for you.
C-Spec, you push "Ok" and it completes everything for you?


I'm hoping they improve the physics engine, but I wouldn't be overly surprised.

JESUS! You are very lazy. I will shoot my self and become a X-box fan boy, if PD does this.
Then i would have to shoot my self again cause i don't wanna have to give Mr. Bill my money.

 

[YSSMAN]

Well being that no one would actually sit in front of their television for 24-hours to complete the race at Nurburgring or Sarthe, youre going to need B-spec to get that finished.

BTW: When youre doing the 24-hour race, does time progress while doing so. If it didnt, Polyphony screwed up big time.

I will shoot my self and become a X-box fan boy, if PD does this. Then i would have to shoot my self again cause i don't wanna have to give Mr. Bill my money.

So youre going to completely write off a console that really was just as good (IMO a lot better) as the PS2 just because Bill Gates owns Microsoft, and therefore the XBOX? People like you are the reason why XBOX Fanboys hate PS2 fanboys so much... Your ignorance is absolutely stunning. Maybe if you spent some time actually taking your head out of your ass and then playing some of the games you might realise that Microsoft has a superior product.

Whats even more funny is the fact that you are probably using a PC to access the internet and to post on these forums... And being that Microsoft Windows runs on almost every PC, you allready are donating money to his savings account every time you buy a computer...

The funnies thing about Playstation and Sony, they cant admit that the 360 may do better than they think it will. Remember that whole Blu-Ray thing they said the PS3 would have? Funny thing happened, the first Blu-Ray players to come out in the spring will cost $1800... Compare that to the $400-500 HD-DVD systems, and the 360 external drive shouldnt cost too much over $200 when first introduced.

...Even then, Sony doesnt even have a dedicated online system thats even worth a ****. They are going to have to charge customers eventually, and I wouldnt be surprised if they charge more than XBOX Live as they know that they can yank around their hardcore fanbase...

I could rant on and on about Sony, but why waste my time on a biased fanboy?

 

[JohnBM01]

To add to my last post, this is a dumb statement- press a button to get everything, but then you'd want to have better physics. Let me holler at you, player. You're making a big compromise here. Would you select this C-Spec deal, or have better physics? Either way, it would be absolutely dumb. Better physics can be considered, but not taking the easy way out. While GT4 had some tough races and tougher competition (argue at will), it wasn't difficult. I always say that GT games have to be challenging, but make it simple. Above all else, don't make it ridiculously easy or ridiculosly hard. The middle ground is better than making a game incredulously easy/hard.

If anything needs to be shot and reincarnated as something more useful, it's this C-Spec idea about pressing a button to unlock and completing everything. Who would actually think GT games are so hard that the only way to enjoy it is to have this glorified cheat code? If the game is that hard, don't play it. In fact, make a petition to get PD to buy your idea. If you find out they can care less about this idea, then guess what. That's life. You don't always get what you want. Especially if what you're looking for is completely comical and worthless. Much like people talk about how B-Spec plays the game for you, this is REALLY letting the game play itself out before you can actually clear a License Test or a race. Some RPGs have stuff like items which lets you battle the final enemy so you don't have to worry about f:censored:ing around with the rest of the game. Want to be a champion and have a sense of accomplishment, don't cheat. Don't be a cheapskate. Play hard or go home. You dig?

 

[un_peacekeeper]

If B-Spec Bob is faster than you are in A-spec, you deserve to be shot. Period.

 

[Elvisdostie]

Well being that no one would actually sit in front of their television for 24-hours to complete the race at Nurburgring or Sarthe, youre going to need B-spec to get that finished.

BTW: When youre doing the 24-hour race, does time progress while doing so. If it didnt, Polyphony screwed up big time.



So youre going to completely write off a console that really was just as good (IMO a lot better) as the PS2 just because Bill Gates owns Microsoft, and therefore the XBOX? People like you are the reason why XBOX Fanboys hate PS2 fanboys so much... Your ignorance is absolutely stunning. Maybe if you spent some time actually taking your head out of your ass and then playing some of the games you might realise that Microsoft has a superior product.

Whats even more funny is the fact that you are probably using a PC to access the internet and to post on these forums... And being that Microsoft Windows runs on almost every PC, you allready are donating money to his savings account every time you buy a computer...

The funnies thing about Playstation and Sony, they cant admit that the 360 may do better than they think it will. Remember that whole Blu-Ray thing they said the PS3 would have? Funny thing happened, the first Blu-Ray players to come out in the spring will cost $1800... Compare that to the $400-500 HD-DVD systems, and the 360 external drive shouldnt cost too much over $200 when first introduced.

...Even then, Sony doesnt even have a dedicated online system thats even worth a ****. They are going to have to charge customers eventually, and I wouldnt be surprised if they charge more than XBOX Live as they know that they can yank around their hardcore fanbase...

I could rant on and on about Sony, but why waste my time on a biased fanboy?

Dude, it's safe to assume that in here, people have more allegiance to PD than to Sony... I know it's the case for me.

Anyway, concerning you "online issues" for the PS3, I'd like to point out that dev based online support was the first way to play online and has been a positive thing for the PC for years. What makes you think that a similar system, simplyfied by the fact that everybody uses the same hardware, would fail? All PD has to do is set up a good server and we are set...for free! MMOs are the only reason to pay as you play as those servers demand maintenance. A GT server is self booting every race you run.....

I believe that it will be Microsoft that lowers their Live pricing if not remove it all together to make money on micropurchasing. Nintendo and Sony are going that way. Imagine the possibility of buying cars as they come out on the PD website... Of course, now, I'm wishful thinking....

 

[Master_Yoda]

Well being that no one would actually sit in front of their television for 24-hours to complete the race at Nurburgring or Sarthe, youre going to need B-spec to get that finished.

BTW: When youre doing the 24-hour race, does time progress while doing so. If it didnt, Polyphony screwed up big time.



So youre going to completely write off a console that really was just as good (IMO a lot better) as the PS2 just because Bill Gates owns Microsoft, and therefore the XBOX? People like you are the reason why XBOX Fanboys hate PS2 fanboys so much... Your ignorance is absolutely stunning. Maybe if you spent some time actually taking your head out of your ass and then playing some of the games you might realise that Microsoft has a superior product.

Whats even more funny is the fact that you are probably using a PC to access the internet and to post on these forums... And being that Microsoft Windows runs on almost every PC, you allready are donating money to his savings account every time you buy a computer...

The funnies thing about Playstation and Sony, they cant admit that the 360 may do better than they think it will. Remember that whole Blu-Ray thing they said the PS3 would have? Funny thing happened, the first Blu-Ray players to come out in the spring will cost $1800... Compare that to the $400-500 HD-DVD systems, and the 360 external drive shouldnt cost too much over $200 when first introduced.

...Even then, Sony doesnt even have a dedicated online system thats even worth a ****. They are going to have to charge customers eventually, and I wouldnt be surprised if they charge more than XBOX Live as they know that they can yank around their hardcore fanbase...

I could rant on and on about Sony, but why waste my time on a biased fanboy?

HHAHAHAHA! I have a pirated (illegal) copy of XP. I know Microsft has suprior products, ingact i player there games that they have punblished, (Rise of Nations) (Age of Mythology) http://www.xfire.com/xf/modules.php?name=XFire&file=profile&uname=
And theres proof. I'm not really all that fanboyistic, and i hate the word. and why are you giving me crap about online play? i never said anything aobut, but YES Xbox live is 10000000x better then PS2 online but do i play PS2 online? NO I DON'T! I DON'T GIVE A **** IF YOU THINK I'M PS2 FANBOY! I HAVE A GAMECUBE AND PLAY IT, AND I'M BUYING A XBOX! sh **** srry for caps. and your also talking about next gen consoles WTF! don't go off topic. You more of a Xobx fanboy then i'm a PS2 fanboy so look whos talking!

 

[YSSMAN]

...Hey, I'll defend any of the three in given situations, but I will admit that Microsoft is my favorite of the three after Sony dropped the ball so many times with the PS2. I own all three of the major systems, and I play them all on a consistant baisis, but I have been most happy with my purchase of my XBOX back in March of 2002.

 

[Master_Yoda]

...Hey, I'll defend any of the three in given situations, but I will admit that Microsoft is my favorite of the three after Sony dropped the ball so many times with the PS2. I own all three of the major systems, and I play them all on a consistant baisis, but I have been most happy with my purchase of my XBOX back in March of 2002.

Then were very much of the same but i can't seem to get into Gamecube as much as i can with PS2 or Xbox. But NES is imo best system ever. Mariocart anyone?

 

[JohnBM01]

Okay, this is going off-topic. Any more off-topic, this deal will likely be closed and warnings may be distributed by Moderators.

I wouldn't say that you deserve to be shot if the B-Spec racer (I hate "B-Spec Bob." I'd rather "B-Spec racer," "B-Spec counterpart," or something other than "B-Spec Bob.") is better than you. The B-Spec racer can be a learning tool when racing. Before you go blasting me about the previous sentence, read on. The B-Spec racer may do dumb things like pass at the last moment, shadow cars, getting into the grass, and all that. This is why I say that you have to control the B-Spec racer right. If PD made the B-Spec racer so that it's completely easy to win races, then all you'd have to do is enter in B-Spec and make money. I can't keep stressing this enough- you are in charge of the B-Spec racer at every time. Just because it does the race for you using an AI racer doesn't mean that you have no control of it. I did the 24 hours of Le Mans (with chicanes) in B-Spec. I took advantage of when to make passes, change pace at appropriate times, and all that. B-Spec is a chance for you to be team principal or crew chief and watching your B-Spec racer compete. That's the point of it. If you aren't a good racer, just follow the B-Spec racer's lead. Learn everything from how you should take corners, know when to pass, and basically know how to take advantage of certain oppurtunities. Don't just look at it as the game playing itself for you because you're still in charge of keeping control of the B-Spec racer.

If this is the case, I think there should be a tutorial or B-Spec challenge in GT5 to better acquaint yourself with B-Spec mode. There may also be some improvements to be made to B-Spec to make it better. B-Spec isn't Auto Pilot or the game playing itself for you. If it was, getting 100% would require very litte effort and would be very un-rewarding.

 

[Elvisdostie]

I think B-spec is bang on, and I hope they don't change it. Anybody who uses it to "cheat" is only cheating themselves.

As for C-spec, I believe that option would cheapen the feel of a GT game: the 24H of the Nurburgring can be won without you ever touching your controler, but it's still annoying to go throught it for the prize money and another Formula Polyphony car.....but that's just what i think.

PS...Sorry for taking it off topic......