Shift knob weight discussion

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I recently put a short throw shifter in the Miata and I bought a new shift knob. The new knob was about half the weight of the stock one. I like the feel, but its causing some gnarly noises from the transmission mainly near redline. I dont think anything is wrong, its just the normal sound of the transmission is being amplified. Has anyone ever heard of this happening? In the meantime, I swapped the stock knob back on.
 
So, you've got a new knob, but it's louder than your old one? Is it inserted firmly?
 
I think it's the transmission instead of the shifter. Some trannies don't like short-throw shifters, and the synchros will make some noise because you're attempting to shove the synchros into place much faster than they want to go. Does the shifter feel notchy?

I'd recommend taking that short-throw kit out and putting the stock one back in. Your transmission will end up lasting about as long as the one in a Sentra SE-R.
 
I thought the Miata had a pretty short shift knob already, how short did you make it?
 
I doubt the knob is causing the noise.
That said, in my civic i was using a relatively heavy twm knob. Really felt great in the hand and shifting but the reverse lock on my sti prevented a transfer. So back to stock for now, considering something new but I love how a leather knob doesnt burn my hand, thats also ignoring my concerns regarding the long term effects on the shift gates and whatnot... That extra weight slamming around cant be good on the stock parts. :indiff:

Just sold it to an 8th gen member last week.
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Nothing is wrong with the stock knob but it falls into the "not heavy enough to feel great and not light enough to transmit tons of feeling" category. Its nice but the feel of a heavy shifter is hard to beat. Heavy being anything over 300g, I know people do 400g all the time but when you get into the super heavy stuff from blox and twm (490g) I get those concerns about long term wear and tear on the gates.
 
I know it sounds crazy. It wasnt causing a new noise, it was making the noises that the transmission already makes louder. I know it was the knob causing it because I switched back to the stock knob and the noise went away.

The knob fit tight it wasnt rattling around.
 
Rattling noise? I had a B&M short shifter in one of my Sentras and the knob that came with it rattled up a storm when there was a lot of vibration through the shifter. Switched for a leather Nismo knob and it went away. Never had that problem with my Miata as I felt the stock shift lever was sufficient paired with an OEM NB knob.
 
It is kinda a rattling noise. The 6 speed in my car is a completely different beast than the NB 5 speed. Its notchy, and it makes noises normally. The short shifter that I installed was from Miataroadster and all of the 6 speed guys praise it. It came with OEM Mazda boots and very nice bushings and washers, so its not a crappy JDM overnight special. I like the feel but it looks awkward with the stock knob on top.

That being said, I'm not sure if the noise was caused by too light of a shift knob, or if the new knob wasnt dampened enough since is was hard delrin (spelling?) and didnt have any softness to it.
 
Currently considering a short-shifter in my 2001 Camry... good idea? I take it to track days and stuff.. Ive modded it a bit and it gets about 230 bhp
 
The lighter knob is probably not dampening the transmission's natural vibrations as well as the heavier stock knob. Many stock cars have heavy knobs, especially those with short throw shift actions, because a heavier knob gives you more leverage to change gears smoothly and easily, and also dampens vibrations that come up through the shifter.

I personally prefer the extra vibration and notchier action of a lightweight shift knob (I'm using a nearly weightless Civic knob instead of the stock 5-pound sausage) because it's more raw, feels more connected, and I can hear and feel what's going on inside my machine much better. That's the whole philosophy behind improving chassis rigidity, stiffer drivetrain mounts, torque dampers, etc. This "feel" stuff isn't the most comfortable thing in the world but people like myself tend to prefer the business end of things.

Mazdatrix sells their own short-throw mechanism for my car, and they've done research on numerous cars with numerous combinations from stock to crazy. They've yet to explain some sort of phantom vibration that occurs with more than half of RX7s with aftermarket shifters - but not all - and even some with stock shifters. I guess it just sort of happens, and you deal with it. As cars get old and you modify them, inexplicable vibrations and annoyances come out of the woodwork.
 
My car did the same thing when I went from a stock knob to a solid aluminum one. I guess by being a solid piece of metal, it doesn't dampen the vibrations and noise coming up through the shifter like a ball of rubber and leather does.

EDIT: Mine also makes a rattle at higher rpms, but that's because there's a weight that they put on there on the shaft and the tolorances aren't quite tight enough and it rattles are the right frequency. Electric tape under the weight helped a lot.
 
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