Silvia Sisters Menus Books?

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So the "suggested" PP for these races is 500. I haven't tuned any of my Silvias much yet, but I did throw a couple of minor parts on the Spec-R aero 02' to get it in the neighborhood of 500 pp, and got absolutely smoked, finishing like 6th in every event. I play on hard, btw.

What's everyone doing for these? Are there 500 pp tunes that will be able to drop the like 4-5 seconds/lap that I'd need to win, or is everyone just blowing past the "suggsted" PP to get it over with? I'm not anything special as a driver, usually low gold/high silver in the TT's and can gold all of the license/missions (save drifting, I loathe drifting).
 
S15, Praiano's tune plus I chucked stuff like slicks, racing cam, polished ports etc at it and won all three easily... you can run a lower ride height now than Praiano has on that tune since the update as well...
 
Fully tuned an S14 to pass the GT-R/180SX and Silhouette/S14 at Deep Forest and Tsukuba. Lightly tuned the S14 to win at Willow Springs.
 
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Fully tuned an S14 to pass the GT-R/180SX and Silhouette/S14 at Deep Forest and Tsukuba. Lightly tuned the S14 to win at Willow Springs.
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Does that S14 have a Silhouette engine in it, tho? I noticed the flames, but it could be running anti-lag.
 
If you guys use the Hard AI setting, none of these Silvia races are winnable with a car at 500pp... Not even close.

Tried a S15 Silvia with just Sports Soft and a few upgrades in the manifold and muffler and still got absolutely destroyed. At this point yeah, not gonna waste time trying to make any challenge of this trying to figure out which car settings are best, that's PD's job.
Just upgrade the new S14 Silvia to the brim and cheese through it.
 
Grimm6Jack
If you guys use the Hard AI setting, none of these Silvia races are winnable with a car at 500pp... Not even close.

Tried a S15 Silvia with just Sports Soft and a few upgrades in the manifold and muffler and still got absolutely destroyed. At this point yeah, not gonna waste time trying to make any challenge of this trying to figure out which car settings are best, that's PD's job.
Just upgrade the new S14 Silvia to the brim and cheese through it.
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Willow springs is possible with a stock S14, and no TCS on hard. AI seems to brake way too early on the final four turns. Barely won it by over taking that sileighty on the final turn.
 
Suzuki-Cara
Willow springs is possible with a stock S14, and no TCS on hard. AI seems to brake way too early on the final four turns. Barely won it by over taking that sileighty on the final turn.
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I tried it in Deep Forest first... Must be because the race in Willow has very few straights where the AI's advantage is more noticeable. As soon as I did the 1st lap in Deep Forest and only gained like 2 seconds with the leader over 10 ahead at the start and with only 3 laps, I decided to not take it seriously anymore... just got annoyed at the update and, of course, the same old chase the rabbit races.

The Tokyo Race was the only somewhat enjoyable one... .... until rain came on lap 3-4 and the AI pitted for Inters instead of Wets and basically sabotaged themselves by crashing on track and pitting 3-4x during the race.
 
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I think it's a nice change of pace AI wise. Better to mix it up each race than the same old set of cars. Much prefer the standard start, though.

Deep Forest was the straw that made me modify my S14. :lol:

Also, Props off to whoever tried making a Top Secret S14 at Tsukuba. Love the stickers all over the window in the Gold car you race against, LOL.
 
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Suzuki-Cara
Does that S14 have a Silhouette engine in it, tho? I noticed the flames, but it could be running anti-lag.
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I hoping someone can confirm it. The lead S14 was red and the same maroon S14 in a video I posted, both sound like the Silhouette.
I haven't experienced those flames from my car with anti-lag. The flames are still blue.
 
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Grimm6Jack
If you guys use the Hard AI setting, none of these Silvia races are winnable with a car at 500pp... Not even close.

Tried a S15 Silvia with just Sports Soft and a few upgrades in the manifold and muffler and still got absolutely destroyed. At this point yeah, not gonna waste time trying to make any challenge of this trying to figure out which car settings are best, that's PD's job.
Just upgrade the new S14 Silvia to the brim and cheese through it.
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Yeah, the make up 15 seconds in three laps is getting old. Especially when PD recommends "500 pp" and the lead cars probably are at 600.

It's also odd that people won't reply with what difficulty they are using and what PP they are at. Telling me that it was easy after slapping SS tires and a High RPM turbo doesn't help if you're running on normal difficulty with a 600 PP setup.
 
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srpst23
Yeah, the make up 15 seconds in three laps is getting old. Especially when PD recommends "500 pp" and the lead cars probably are at 600.

It's also odd that people won't reply with what difficulty they are using and what PP they are at. Telling me that it was easy after slapping SS tires and a High RPM turbo doesn't help if you're running on normal difficulty with a 600 PP setup.
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I don't even know why they don't just restrict the PP in every race? At the very least it would make us actually have to figure out things.

But still, the constant single row roll start with cars 50 meters apart from each other has to stop. 12 years of this crap since GT5... And they still don't get the memo, that we don't like races like this, or rather, this isn't even propper racing at all, with qualifying being completely disregarded outside of Sport mode.
 
I won all 3 races with the S14. High Turbo, with Sports ECU/Filter/Intercooler. A pleasant car to drive, I might say.

Since there's no PP restriction, you can even go with Racing Tires.
 
When I was younger I was never into Silvia’s. Just seemed like a ‘cheap’ GT-R alternative or drift machine.

But fully-tuned track spec Silvia’s are very cool. Like a Japanese equivalent to the Sierra RS500 Cosworth.

 
Grimm6Jack
If you guys use the Hard AI setting, none of these Silvia races are winnable with a car at 500pp... Not even close.

Tried a S15 Silvia with just Sports Soft and a few upgrades in the manifold and muffler and still got absolutely destroyed. At this point yeah, not gonna waste time trying to make any challenge of this trying to figure out which car settings are best, that's PD's job.
Just upgrade the new S14 Silvia to the brim and cheese through it.
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It’s PD’s job to tune your car?
 
Had a GT-R engine lying around so stuck that in a 180SX (detuned slightly to provide some competition).

Sports Hards, sports brakes, PP somewhere around 580 - normal difficulty.
 
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eran0004
It’s PD’s job to tune your car?
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True. I was 26 when I played GT Japanese version. I had to guess what I was to do with upgrading the car. Navigating the game months before the USA version came out. I was old enough to have knowledge of cars back then, but still tuned by trial and error.
Fast forward to Best Motoring VHS late 1990s early 2000s and I was able to trial set ups.

The hgame gives a base indication of how to tune and the player explores from there. The older games were always about maxing out the car to catch and pass P1 before the end of 2 laps. It’s a shame it hasn’t changed in 25 years, but that’s what Kaz wants everyone to experience.
 
I really like how the S14 fully upgraded sounds , really that rev is amazing and it would like to drift :P
 
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Yes, to win Deep Forest's Silvia Sisters you must tune your car to around 550~600PP. Tried several times, various setups and had no chance at all with a 500PP tuned S14.

The worst part in this race is to fight against AI wich cars are like solid blocks of rock: It won't bugde a inch if you're around, and if you try make space bumping it, its car acts like its a moving block with 10 tons of weight.
 
eran0004
It’s PD’s job to tune your car?
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???? How did you come to this conclusion? :lol:

I stated that it is PD's job to make the races a challenge, not us. If they don't even give out restrictions for the race, anyone can just fully tune to the brim any of the Silvia's and blitz the race.

I am usually not ok with doing such a thing, but the way they keep on forcing these stupid single row race starts with the leader over 10 seconds ahead and trying to overcome that gap in just 3 laps?
No way am I going to spend time on a race that doesn't even pay well, and is not fun, on fine tuning a car just to be able to get a win by a hair's breath to "feel the challenge"...

If they had put restrictions in the PP, then things would've been different, and in that situation, it is my job to figure out a way to win. Neo-Classical races were a prime example of this.

But it's all fabricated... It's impossible to call these events, races. 95% of the "races" in this game should be in the Missions' Menu. Because that's what they are, not races. So yeah, if I don't have restrictions and I am given these stupid ass mission races of chase the rabbit, I will use everything at my disposal to just win in the easiest way from now on.


And yeah, the Deep Forest race you have no chance of winning with a 500pp Silvia.
 
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Grimm6Jack
???? How did you come to this conclusion? :lol:

I stated that it is PD's job to make the races a challenge, not us. If they don't even give out restrictions for the race, anyone can just fully tune to the brim any of the Silvia's and blitz the race.

I am usually not ok with doing such a thing, but the way they keep on forcing these stupid single row race starts with the leader over 10 seconds ahead and trying to overcome that gap in just 3 laps?
No way am I going to spend time on a race that doesn't even pay well, and is not fun, on fine tuning a car just to be able to get a win by a hair's breath to "feel the challenge"...

If they had put restrictions in the PP, then things would've been different, and in that situation, it is my job to figure out a way to win. Neo-Classical races were a prime example of this.

But it's all fabricated... It's impossible to call these events, races. 95% of the "races" in this game should be in the Missions' Menu. Because that's what they are, not races. So yeah, if I don't have restrictions and I am given these stupid ass mission races of chase the rabbit, I will use everything at my disposal to just win in the easiest way from now on.


And yeah, the Deep Forest race you have no chance of winning with a 500pp Silvia.
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That's always the problem whenever people say "Just nerf/improve your car" when others have issues with race balance. With no tight restrictions on the event and no idea what the AI are at you have to spend a lot of time tweaking your car until it's just right - not too fast, not too slow. By which time you've probably finished the event 5+ times during testing and it's no longer any fun to keep doing it. The chances of you picking a PP level for your car and it just happens to be exactly right is slim to none. Not that playing catch up is ever truly fun in the first place, as you say.

What was wrong with the old system that every other game uses? Races with tight restrictions, all of the AI at the ceiling of that restriction and you knew exactly what you needed to enter to have a close race, where everyone started at the start. If you want it harder/easier, you adjust the in-game difficultly setting.

How does the biggest racing game* on the planet continue to get it so wrong? Just as importantly, why do they keep getting a free pass on it? Sure, many reviews mention it but they still ended up giving the game high scores.

* in terms of sales and recognition.
 
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I had this in my garage already,(Silvia S15 Spec R Aero 2002), so I used it.

Being the genius that I am,(and not paying attention), I was tuning it up using the tune for the Silvia S15 Touring Car Gr.4, thinking I could use it at LeMans at 700PP. I couldn't get it close to 700PP when the light bulb went on and I finally realized it was the wrong car.

I used it anyway and won those 3-lappers easily. Fast little guy with great turn-in, though. I'm sure I could get it more stable under trail-braking, but I don't even want to bother with it.

An underwhelming Cafe menu. To me, anyway.
 
If you want to get smoked start with a bare stock ‘88 Q. Yeah that’s what I did. Started from the cellar like a novice.

Then I quickly realized this is one of those ‘suggested’ PP events.

After trying all 6 models at increasingly varied PP levels I finally cleared it with the Spec-R tuned to around 570pp. No surprise.

I enjoy tuning cars incrementally with care, but I admit events like this end up becoming grinding mindless mod slams.
 
I've done it with a wide Sileighty, full bolt ons (no irreversible stuff and no weight reductions), medium turbo and SS tyres. Willow was easy, Deep Forest was ok I guess (caught the rabbit on the hairpin last lap, Tsukiba was a nightmare (repetated 5 times and had to push the rabbit out of the hairpin on the last lap just because he had an LS swap and was always catching on the straight). PP was around 580 or something? Hard difficulty, custom (terrible) tune.
 
The only way to do this sticking to 500pp or under is by using any Sylvia with more than 200bhp when tuned ,sports hard tyres and a full tank of nos gearing is also critical you need fast acceleration in the first 3 gears but a top end that will get you 135mph ish. As previously stated else wear in this thread its only Deep forest thats the problem .
 
Grimm6Jack
???? How did you come to this conclusion? :lol:
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It’s a question, not a conclusion. Here is what you wrote:

“At this point yeah, not gonna waste time trying to make any challenge of this trying to figure out which car settings are best, that's PD's job.”

Which sounds like you think it’s PD’s job to figure out which car settings are best for the event.
 

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