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This picture reminded me of two things:
1) The grid start with false start check should definitely be used for Sunday SNAIL (maybe we could try it on a practice night?), but I really hope they fix the rolling start bug soon for this series.
2) It was awesome to see teams with matching liveries.
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Man that front row sure is pretty
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Who's car didn't see it after the start
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Maybe we need standardized blue flag etiquette rules in place. Documented on the first post so everyone knows what is expected of them. It is clear that everyone is not following the same rules when dealing with a blue flag.
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Whenever the fast car approached me coming up to a turn I tried to make my intentions clear that I'm either taking the outside line or the inside line, depending on the turn.... I'm so used getting passed anyway 
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From Wikipedia
"A light blue flag, sometimes with a diagonal yellow, orange, or red stripe, informs a driver that a faster car is approaching and that the driver should move aside to allow one or more faster cars to pass. During a race, this would only be usually shown to a driver who is getting lapped but during practice or qualifying sessions, it could be shown to any driver. In most series, the blue flag is not mandatory—drivers obey it only as a courtesy to their fellow racers. As such, it is often referred to as the "courtesy flag". In other series, drivers get severely penalized for not yielding or for interfering with the leaders, including getting sent to the pits for the rest of the race. In Formula One, if the driver about to be lapped ignores three waved blue flags in a row, he is required to make a a drive through penalty. The blue flag may also be used to warn a driver that another car on the same lap is going to attempt to overtake them."
There is definitely inconsistencies with how blue flags are being treated, and it's hard to say "this is how it should be done".
Basically I try and operate under the principle of, treat other drivers how I would want to be treated.
If a faster car catches me while we're in a technical section of track (for example, the S bends in sector 1 of Suzuka), I'm going to hold my line. However, as soon as we got to the straight(ish) long left section leading towards the double right, I would go off the driving line and lift to allow them to pass.
If a faster car is catching me on the start finish stretch of Suzuka, and it looks like he/she is going to catch me in the braking zone - I will lift before the braking zone as I'd rather they not try and risk a pass under braking and potentially damage our cars. The blue flag is keeping me aware of the fact that somebody is there.
I will not ever be going slower than racing speed in braking zones - as you just cannot know where that car behind you is going to be. and you can't really take defensive action under braking. This was the case with our accident last night Mully (again not intending to lay blame), you left space inside you for the faster car to pass, but they weren't taking an inside line (that corner in general is weird because some people brake late and take a high line, others take inside), and as such they couldn't stop their car from hitting you because they were already braking and not expecting you to be stopping there.
The best advice I can give is this.
If every slower car was courteous of the faster car and allowed them by, each driver would lose roughly 1-2 seconds in the worst scenarios, and every driver on track is affected by this - so if you lose 1-2 seconds on the driver in front of you because you were passed by a faster car, chances are you'll gain that time back when that same faster car laps the driver in front of you.
If you are going to slow down and or brake to let a faster car by, either do it off the driving line when they are far enough behind - or if you see them getting side by side with you, and a corner is coming up - slow down - there is zero sense trying to race a faster car.
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I’m sure most of you passed me all night long, so if I did anything wrong or could improve my “blue flag etiquette” please let me know and help me understand how to become better. Sometimes I feel like a detriment to you all racing in this series, as I am so slow. I think I’m the only D4 driver participating
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You are learning and for the most part doing a great job. @Nick Cannella the only thing I would focus on is your mirror after about 5 or 6 laps. Know where people are at all times is key. There have been a few times that we wonder what you were doing. It is ok learning is key.
This is a great key for everyone running the endurance series who may be in a slower car whether it’s D1 or D2!
If you notice someone is coming up on you take a quick second and look behind. Is it for position? Are there multiple people behind me? Are those multiple people battling for position? Is the person behind me trying to chase down someone I just let by? These are good questions to ask yourself.
If it is for position then race on!!
If there are multiple people behind and you are in a position behind them then run your line and get on the edge of the racing surface on a straight and ease up and let them by to continue a safe pace.
If there are multiple people behind that are battling for their positions then get over on the next safest place, (preferably a straight) let them by and continue on.
If the persons coming up is someone that is in a position just behind someone you just let by then let them go. Too many times people running 2nd or 3rd are close to the leader and get held up by lapped traffic. Where this is racing it’s also frusterating being that driver getting so close to the next guy only to have that time thrown away.
The faster guys will usually pass on a straight unless they are battling for position. Then they put their nose where it doesn’t belong. I am one of those. Where I am trying my best to pass after a corner to make it safer for all I still find myself making bad decisions.
ONE BIG MISTAKE I SEE OFTEN IS, lapped cars driving completely off the track to get out of the way. This may only be nessicary if it’s the end of the race and a position is having a great battle to the finish.
Most importantly please have fun on track accidents happen and that’s how we all learn. You are doing great and we are happy to have you!! @Nick Cannella
This is a great key for everyone running the endurance series who may be in a slower car whether it’s D1 or D2!
If you notice someone is coming up on you take a quick second and look behind. Is it for position? Are there multiple people behind me? Are those multiple people battling for position? Is the person behind me trying to chase down someone I just let by? These are good questions to ask yourself.
If it is for position then race on!!
If there are multiple people behind and you are in a position behind them then run your line and get on the edge of the racing surface on a straight and ease up and let them by to continue a safe pace.
If there are multiple people behind that are battling for their positions then get over on the next safest place, (preferably a straight) let them by and continue on.
If the persons coming up is someone that is in a position just behind someone you just let by then let them go. Too many times people running 2nd or 3rd are close to the leader and get held up by lapped traffic. Where this is racing it’s also frusterating being that driver getting so close to the next guy only to have that time thrown away.
The faster guys will usually pass on a straight unless they are battling for position. Then they put their nose where it doesn’t belong. I am one of those. Where I am trying my best to pass after a corner to make it safer for all I still find myself making bad decisions.
ONE BIG MISTAKE I SEE OFTEN IS, lapped cars driving completely off the track to get out of the way. This may only be nessicary if it’s the end of the race and a position is having a great battle to the finish.
Most importantly please have fun on track accidents happen and that’s how we all learn. You are doing great and we are happy to have you!! @Nick Cannella
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I think something I've noticed is people might think that it's entirely the responsibility of the faster car to get around the slower car - and while that has some degree of truth, moving over and lifting could very likely slow you down a lot less than it slows down the faster car to wait for the opportune time to get around you without you losing any time.
For the most part over the course of 90 minutes, time lost from moving over, lifting and allowing faster cars through should even out between all slower cars.
My only other tip is, if you are going to let somebody through, don't do it through tight/tricky sections of track - and don't do it in braking zones. Acceleration zones and or relatively straight areas that aren't braking zones are the safest places to slow down.
For the most part over the course of 90 minutes, time lost from moving over, lifting and allowing faster cars through should even out between all slower cars.
My only other tip is, if you are going to let somebody through, don't do it through tight/tricky sections of track - and don't do it in braking zones. Acceleration zones and or relatively straight areas that aren't braking zones are the safest places to slow down.
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Thanks for the advice @Sean Renon
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One thing i like to do is when i get to a suitable area on the track usually a straight, I try to look up at the map and see if there are any cars around me so i can start to mentally prepare for a pass.
I don't always follow the blue flag because in the game I feel that they fly it way too soon. Last night they did it a couple times to me and I looked back in the mirror and there was no one near me for at least 4 seconds. I do try to however move out of the way when they do come up to me I don't necessarily slow down because the speed difference is usually much greater and they can blow past you even at full throttle.
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