SNAIL Holiday Event Discussion

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I've never really done any serious "testing" before. But I'm willing to put in the time and try to come up with a pool. Probably on a track like midfield that tests top speed as well as handling in different types of low and high speed turns. And also doesnt take forever to complete a lap. I'll post my results here as I do it and try to find a pool that are all within .200 or so of eachother.
 
Maybe Apricot Hill. Good mix of twists and stretches of road that test 3rd/4th gear acceleration and a hairpin for handling. I really wanted to pick it for the McLaren but in testing I felt the first turn would burn through tires when people are battling. I'm probably wrong and it would've been fun. And then we wouldn't have that behemoth Challenger at Apricot Hill since it'd already be picked. Whatever. Maybe next week but with it being around awhile I'm sure it'll get voted off this week just for that, regardless of playability.
 
I like all these ideas, just be carful having d2 guys same bop as d1, what I notice in practice rms is d2 can't keep up with d1 and d3 very close to d2 pace. With only 4div maybe do small separate bop each division.
 
So for GT300, let's say:

D1 - SM
D2 & D3 - SS
D4 - RH

?

In theory it should work but I'd love for someone in each division to do some test laps at the same track to get a ballpark figure of what they can do their respective tire compound.
 
Think kg weight would be better, but agree let's get on track and do some testing, maybe d4 can have ss tires and d1-3 sm with little kg adjustments
 
By "kg weight" you mean use weight as BoP? I know you race in GT1 and Birdy has done a good job of equalizing those cars right?

I'm watching the Rolex 24 at Daytona qualifying sessions, which will be over around 5pm my time. I'll get on a bit after that to run some quick laps. I want to stay away from kg adjustment as much as I can because I want to give everyone equal cars to choose from. If we're doing spec single car then yea test some kg adjustment.

1. Mazda RX-7 GT300 '06 ------ 512PP - 337HP - 1100kg
2. Lexus IS350 GT300 '08 ------ 513PP - 333HP - 1150kg
3. Autobacs Garaiya GT300 '08 - 514PP - 352HP - 1175kg
4. Subaru BRZ GT300 '12 ------- 518PP - 361HP - 1150kg

Apricot Hill Raceway - Forward. Let's get some data!
 
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Carry on with refining the rules and regulations. I'll follow whatever you guys come up with - simple or complicated, popular or unpopular - doesn't matter.

All I know, it is very difficult to equalize everyone. Come up with something and let's go with it - don't sweat it too much. If it works, we'll remember it, if it doesn't work we'll try again something else in future.

The objective is to maximize your result with the equipment given to you combined with your skills.
 
I say make ever car 333HP - 1175kg and then just worry about tires. Let's use what I said before:

D1 - SM
D2 & D3 - SS
D4 - RH

Let's get some practice in and if D4 is clearly overtaking D3 just based on tire quality then they'll get pushed back to SS and D1 will keep the SM handicap. Let's leave it at that for now, nothing too complicated. Just no Impreza, no 4WD.
 
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I say make ever car 333HP - 1175kg and then just worry about tires. Let's use what I said before:

D1 - SM
D2 & D3 - SS
D4 - RH

Let's get some practice in and if D4 is clearly overtaking D3 just based on tire quality then they'll get pushed back to SS and D1 will keep the SM handicap. Let's leave it at that for now, nothing too complicated. Just no Impreza, no 4WD.
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You're already way beyond "nothing too complicated." I wish you luck in trying to balance cars for an unknown field of drivers in 9 days.

These holiday events worked well when they actually were simple. One car at one or two tracks where the combination allowed the majority of people to get the most out of the car. The creativity came from the format of racing, not the cars and tracks.
 
Thanks for the vote of confidence. It can't be that bad, and if anything we can simplify as needed.
 
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You're already way beyond "nothing too complicated." I wish you luck in trying to balance cars for an unknown field of drivers in 9 days.

These holiday events worked well when they actually were simple. One car at one or two tracks where the combination allowed the majority of people to get the most out of the car. The creativity came from the format of racing, not the cars and tracks.
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Yup, keep it simple - you're already scaring me away. I say we break the $2million limit and race classic cars like Ferrari 250 GTOs...
 
No matter what we do there has to be some kind of BoP between divisions because we're all together. If we do nothing to handicap the lower divisions then D1 will always run away with it.

Anyone wanna go online tonight to test the GT300 cars with different tires?
 
DesertPenguin09
No matter what we do there has to be some kind of BoP between divisions because we're all together. If we do nothing to handicap the lower divisions then D1 will always run away with it.

Anyone wanna go online tonight to test the GT300 cars with different tires?
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We could use different tire compounds, or possibly '67s against '70s since there is a PP difference there.
 
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What do you mean 67 and 70? For what? Oh you thought I meant the Mustang GT300?
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No, I should have been more clear. Classic cars:. The '62 GTO had 474pp, the ' 67 330P3 has 591pp, the '69 GT40 has 562PP. Not a perfect system, but might be both fun and interesting. Tires could be used to fill huge gaps in PP like with the '62 GTO. Or same cars different tires for handicaps.
Or the chaparral 2J for D1/D2 against the 2D for D3/4. Sure ,not perfect but it's a holiday, let's do something off the wall and just have fun with it. Maybe rally cars or Hudson's...
 
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Well how about this, the different GT300 cars range in PP due to weight and power. Let's give the D1/D2 guys the Lexus IS350 and D3/D4 will drive the Subaru BRZ. The added HP should help us keep up with the fast guys. They will also be on SS while we will be on RH. There. Done. Now to pick some tracks and I'll make an announcement sometime early next week so people can get some time to practice if they so choose.

If we keep going back and forth about what to do it'll come and go and no one will be interested. To do a seriously complex idea requires some time to get it right. @Rednose58 did that for his Merc race at Suzuka and it worked really well.
 
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Well how about this, the different GT300 cars range in PP due to weight and power. Let's give the D1/D2 guys the Lexus IS350 and D3/D4 will drive the Subaru BRZ. The added HP should help us keep up with the fast guys. They will also be on SS while we will be on RH. There. Done. Now to pick some tracks and I'll make an announcement sometime early next week so people can get some time to practice if they so choose.

If we keep going back and forth about what to do it'll come and go and no one will be interested. To do a seriously complex idea requires some time to get it right. @Rednose58 did that for his Merc race at Suzuka and it worked really well.
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Wasn't really trying to go back and forth, sorry if it seemed that way - I'll just say if you build it, I will come. I wouldn't mind seeing that Nurburgring with the GT-Rs that I missed - iirc that went well.
 
We'll do something again for Labor Day. The Skylines worked good, but they were still too close in performance to put a handicap on the nurb specialists. Problem with the talented drivers is that they don't make many mistakes, and on a 8 min lap they will run lap after lap within 2-3 seconds. The rest of us make mistakes, so we may run a few laps clean and fast and then make a small mistake here and there and lose time. So our variance is much bigger, although our fastest time might be competitive. So next time I will test something that has a 15-20 second difference for me personally and then divide it up into two groups. In that way the nurb specialist will probably still come out on top, but the rest of the field may be more competitive. A little slower, but consistent lap times will be the key to victory, along with an efficient pit strategy (and remember you can't stop in the pits when the countdown runs out......)

For now, however, let's focus on @DesertPenguin09 's raceday event for next week. DP, is it going to be Saturday evening?
 
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Will more people be around Saturday than Sunday? I know it's that big game with the ball and the hoops or the clubs in the holes but what sport am I talking about again?
 
Sorry for the delay but there were so many tracks I wanted to pick I couldn't have them all and not have the night last 3+ hours. If you want to see my list I'll post it but as is I'd rather do this. Lemme know what you guys think.

Saturday, February 4th. Around 8-9pm EST
No Tuning
D1 & D2 - Lexus IS350 GT300 Base Model - Sport Soft tires
D3 & D4 - Subaru BRZ GT300 Base Model - Racing Hard tires
Two 15 minute races set Endurance style, not laps. Race 1 is fastest first as the lobby will be open for a bit. Everything after is reverse grid.
Apricot Hill Raceway - Forward, followed by five minute break in which time players may vote for the next track.
Tire/Fuel Wear set to off, this is to counter the fact that SS and RH wear differently.

My slightly different idea is to have one 30 minute race at each track with a single pit stop requirement to spice things up. Since tire wear isn't an issue it's just when you think you won't lose the most time against your rivals. Might be fun.

Anything I'm missing?
 
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I'll get me a Lexus IS350 GT300 Base Model and show. Just give us a few minutes to warm up on each track and we'll be good to go.

Give us a target time for when the first race will start. 8-9 is a bit vague. I don't necessarily want to sit around for an hour without racing..
 
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