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PARAGON GT

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. . . throw in the towel in a race?

Do you stick it out and finish an embarrassing 30+ seconds behind the lead car after being clipped in one of the final turns and spun into a wall, the Sahara (sand pit on any track), head long into the end of a track barricade or building?

Or are you the type of driver that as you come out of the final turn between 2 and 5 seconds behind and cancel the race out of sheer frustration.

I was contemplating this tonight in the mist of getting my wheels beat off me buy a Lotus 111R during the Clubman cup. I was running my low mileage GTS-R slightly built in an attempt for upping my A-spec points. As I hit the mid point of the final lap, I passed a check point and was informed (to my dismay) that I was 9.5 seconds behind the Lotus still battling the second place car with absolutely NO CHANCE of finishing anything better than second place and more than likely at least 12 seconds behind the lead car. I actually asked my self if it was still worth it at that point in time. I was not going to receive any points for the race, and I have more than enough credits at this point in time. So why continue?

I did decide to finish the race and did end up finishing in second place 12.8 seconds behind the lead car. I wasn't happy with the race, but my rationale is that I didn't quit because things weren't going my way. I took my lumps just as well as I had given them out countless times before.

As fate would have it, I was presented the same question again in the next event. I was in the same car, on the next track with a different grid. The race began and we barreled through the track. Around the mid point I was battling for 4th place running hot into a corner. I locked up the brakes, cut the wheel and stabbed the gas again. I broke the back wheels loose and began to tame a now drifting car in an effort to maintain my recently acquired position. But that was not to be. The now 5th place car tapped my back bumper, which forcefully spun the car completely around and into the grass just beyond the turn. As the car completed its spin I saw the at then 6th place car fly by my Skyline as it sat practically parked in the grass. I paused the game and rocked the controller to exit race, and let it set there. I thought through what my odds were of winning the race based on where I was and what cars I was up against. I didn't think that it looked good, but figured what the heck, I'd give it a try. I didn't give up in the last race, why should I now?

So I unpaused the race and began my attempt at regaining victory. This time I managed to pull into 1st in the final turn. I pulled 1st place in a race that I was about to exit because of a slight case of misfortune. I thought that the out come was rather funny.

So what kind of racer are you? Do you fold when times get tough?
Or do you battle it out to the bitter end no matter what the outcome?
 
I haven't folded a race because i was behind in a car that could catch up in....well...can't remember the last time.

If i enter a race, and by the time the 1st lap is over (or by the time I hit Adenauer on the ring) i'm 10 seconds behind or something, even with some good freakin driving, then I know it's not gonna happen. (and I mean good, fast, smooth driving. there are some races you simply cannot win)

But If I know my car is good enough to win, I won't quit. I ended up over 3 minutes back on the Laguna Seca FGTWC race, due to B spec not auto selecting my tire/fuel choices, and I pulled off a massive win by over a full minute. This philosophy is aminly due to my knowing that i can push any car harder and faster than the AI can. the AI in that laguna race was setting 1:15's, 1:16's, etc. in that range. I was setting an average of 1:10, and a fast lap of 1:06, at times.

So no, I don't quit races, when i know it's my crappy driving, and not a poor car, that is costing me time.
 
Generally, if it's just the first lap, and I'm way behind, I'll stick it out. However, when it's the final lap, and I'm 10+ seconds behind, I'll just exit the race. Why waste a minute doing something for no reason?
 
I call it early in rally events, not being very skilled at dirt racing (I cannot stage a comeback), but I stick it out to the end in road races. In endurance races, when danger is imminent, I usually pull out early; if I did not have siblings contending for time with the PS2, I would stick around longer.

Interesting thread idea; certainly thought-provoking.
 
Generally, if it's just the first lap, and I'm way behind, I'll stick it out. However, when it's the final lap, and I'm 10+ seconds behind, I'll just exit the race. Why waste a minute doing something for no reason?
Exactly what I do and think. Or if I know it's a very hard race and I'll never catch up I'll quit earlier.
 
It would seem that it would depend on why you're playing.

Noone likes to lose but GT is a game about driving as best you can and enjoying it. The A-spec points and Winratio's have corrupted procedings a bit I fear by making people focus too much on victory and not enough on the 'play'.

Plus, you can never tell how things will turn out sometimes. I ran a 1000 Miles race at the 'Ring in a car that was hopelessly outclassed and settled in for a four-hour-long defeat full of enjoyable driving ... and I won :D.
 
Generally, if it's just the first lap, and I'm way behind, I'll stick it out. However, when it's the final lap, and I'm 10+ seconds behind, I'll just exit the race. Why waste a minute doing something for no reason?

Wow, that's the exact opposite of what I do!

If I'm getting left for dead on the first lap, I quit relatively soon after seeing the pattern is established. No sense wasting the whole race time in a totally wrong car.

But if I'm on the last lap and 10 seconds out of first place, why wouldn't I go ahead and finish it up? If nothing else I get the prize credits and a great data point for how much faster per lap I need to be. The small investment of another lap has a big payoff.

But if you quit right before the end of the race, you waste all the time spent running it! You don't get any credits, or you may not find out that the leader's tires have just gone away and he's about to eat kitty litter.
 
. . . or you may not find out that the leader's tires have just gone away and he's about to eat kitty litter.

I have seen that happen, and managed to pull a win out of it.

I was trying to catch the 1st and 2nd place cars on the final lap of a race at Apricot. I was starting to catch up to them when the lead car lost its back wheels and started sliding off the track in a turn. He bounced off the wall and came back across the track smacking into the 2nd place car forcing both of them off the other side of the track. As they tried to pull them selves back to the track I managed to pass them and ended up finishing first.

Sometimes strange things happen in the tail end of a race.
 
But if you quit right before the end of the race, you waste all the time spent running it! You don't get any credits, or you may not find out that the leader's tires have just gone away and he's about to eat kitty litter.

As far as I'm concerned, no time playing GT4 is wasted time :sly:. I'll gladly run the race again (unless of course it's an Endurance race.. I'll stick that out just to say I did).
 
So what kind of racer are you? Do you fold when times get tough?
Or do you battle it out to the bitter end no matter what the outcome?

I've done both. There are races in which I've restarted, and there are races in which I've stuck thru till the bitter end (even endurance races). The way I look at it:

1. I like to feel as though I'm equal with the Ai. This means if I enter a race, and am obviously underpowered (or on the wrong tires or goofed my tuning somehow) I'll sometimes restart.

2. And this goes both ways--if I enter a race and I'm way over-powered, 99% of the time I'll "red flag" the race and run back to the garage to detune (as the imaginary marshals swoop down on my car to make sure everything's legit).

3. I've thrown in the towel for some endurance races except if I'm well into the race. If there's 20 minutes left to go (for instance), I'll usually go the distance. Enduros pay handsomely, even if you come in 2nd, 3rd, or 4th place. :D
 
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If ever I screw up and know I have absolutely no chance of winning, then I give up. Ofcourse, not in the Championships, even last place gets you 2 points. If I'm doing a Race Meeting/Free Run, if I crash I exit and start again. The only track I don't do this is the Nurb which is too long to have another go that many times.
 
I can be one of three racers depending on what mood I am.
1. I back out of a race If I have screwed up too much during the first lap. Then I re-enter the race
2. I fight as hard as possible from 6th place to get to the podium but end up losing by .001 seconds.
3. I bring out the monster cars by which I mean the cars with the most HP 800HP+ and beat the crap out of the other cars.
p.s. I tried out hemi rage like 20 times. I just cannot get enough of smashing those light old cars.:D
 
If I'm in an enduro and the gap is just getting bigger right after a pit stop when I'm on brand new tires, I'll quit. If I'm in a 1 Aspec point race, I'll quit, unless it's the capri rally:sly:. If I'm hugely underpowered and just can't even fight out of 6th place, I'll quit.

I thought about quitting the FGT race at R246, after my tires wore down much faster than the Ai, and I was 2 laps down with 20 to go. I managed to make it work, came out winning, then lost interest in the whole championship lol
 
I can be one of three racers depending on what mood I am.
1. I back out of a race If I have screwed up too much during the first lap. Then I re-enter the race
2. I fight as hard as possible from 6th place to get to the podium but end up losing by .001 seconds.
3. I bring out the monster cars by which I mean the cars with the most HP 800HP+ and beat the crap out of the other cars.
p.s. I tried out hemi rage like 20 times. I just cannot get enough of smashing those light old cars.:D

Maybe if you concentrated on good driving you would attain steps 1 and 2 more often. 💡 Then you wouldn't have to resort to using too much power and bashing other cars. 💡 Just a suggestion.
 
Maybe if you concentrated on good driving you would attain steps 1 and 2 more often. 💡 Then you wouldn't have to resort to using too much power and bashing other cars. 💡 Just a suggestion.
Hey thanks for that. I have been practicing on courses. The only one that I am having trouble with is hong kong. I just can't seem to get any better in that course.:grumpy:
Aside from that, Hemi Rage is only for fun. I quit the race after I have had my fun. Thats kind of a dishonest way of winning a race.
Now, I try my best fining new ways to turn in to corners at the highest speed possible and making it around perfectly.
By the way, A Great challenge, Try doing the Japan championship(the ten race championship in the Japanese events) with a Nissan GTR BP Falken with a turbo stage 3. It kept me on my toes throughout the entire race.
 
I by no means want to make light of your achievement, jagenigma but I would heartily suggest that you try working on practising without the benefit of downforce and huge turbo's.

The game is much more satisfying when you are winning driving a car inferior to the AI. The A-Spec points are by no means a perfect measure of a races difficulty but winning for 200 is a great cause for celebration as you have won by your own skill as a driver and a tuner against the odds.

The All Japan GT Championship, which is the race series I think you're talking about, is one of the few in the whole game where you can enjoy taking proper, European, GT class cars and dialling them up to take on the Nippon-Siki Brigade of GT300/500 machines. Excellent fun.
 
Sometimes if I'm racing on the 'Ring, I'll quit a few times to take some power off my car so I can be matched with the AI cars. 8 minute laps are boring by yourself.
 
Hey thanks for that. I have been practicing on courses. The only one that I am having trouble with is hong kong. I just can't seem to get any better in that course.:grumpy:

Man, lots of us seem to have probs at Hong Kong. I wonder why. It mostly seems very straight-forward to me...the only exceptions are by the harbor area, where the usual 90 or 180-degree corners are suddenly replaced by those odd-angle kinks.

Aside from that, Hemi Rage is only for fun. I quit the race after I have had my fun. Thats kind of a dishonest way of winning a race.
Now, I try my best fining new ways to turn in to corners at the highest speed possible and making it around perfectly.
By the way, A Great challenge, Try doing the Japan championship(the ten race championship in the Japanese events) with a Nissan GTR BP Falken with a turbo stage 3. It kept me on my toes throughout the entire race.

Cool. Haven't made it this far into the game yet...I'm looking forward to it.
 
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It was hard to get use to losing events. I remember in past GT games my win % was 100 or close to it because I would reset the game if I was getting my butt handed to me. Now i'm somewhere in the 80% range, but I feel like it has made me a better driver paying attention to my lines where as before it was the old over power to over take process.
 
Well there's nothing wrong with losing a few races. In fact, the higher one's win percentage is, the less I'd say he or she is being challenged...unless (of course) he or she is Uber-GT GOD. :bowdown:
 
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I'd say the only time to give up on a race is when you cant drive your car because you chose tires that were too soft for a 2 lap race at nurburgring and now there too worn for you to be able to drive.
 
I'd agree about the tire situation. The only other time that I quit a race is if i get spun out battling for the lead on the last lap against cars that are way more powerful than mine because at that point there is no hope of catching up. Though, I don't mind losing in a clean and fair race when I'm in an underpowered/overmatched car.
 
I used to quit every race if there was the slightest chance of me losing it, I was a TERRIBLE loser! I wanted 100% win ratio on the game, and there was no end to how far I'd go to keep that. Slowly though, I've changed tack, and I'll generally continue every race, as any prize money always helps, plus just driving a race can see how much more power is needed, what car will be better, in which way my suspension should be tweaked, etc. Little things like that make the game more enjoyable (for me, in any case) and so now, I drive the end, in any circumstance.

Joe
 
Way to grow up! 👍 Sounds like a racer in progress.
 
Way to grow up! 👍 Sounds like a racer in progress.

Thanks, it did take a while, but its stopped me from getting so angry at losing and resetting over and over. :) Now I can just enjoy learning a certain car's capabilities.
I just think its a much better way to take the game, instead of getting worked up and not even enjoy the wins when they inevitably do come.

Joe
 
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