So...I can no longer stand GT5P

[Lernatix]

What I'd like to know is how is it fair to start a race with a rolling start and let the guy in 1st go full throttle a good 4-5 seconds before you can?

In most racing catagories, you cannot pass the car in front untill you pass the start line.
(when a rolling start is made) This is PD's way of making sure.

Sucks to be last, leader gets 5-10 second lead while you try to race clean with people
with IQ's in the low teens, losing another 10-20 seconds to the leader who is usually
in a GTR with a wheel and a borrowed setup by the end of the race.

As you can tell, I too can't stand GT5p either at the moment.
The online is pure crap more often than not and the offline is seriously lacking.

Still a beautiful game to look at, but like the GTX picture,
it's ALL SHOW AND NO GO!

 

[Kryz11]

It's bit funny KeithWA started the thread and did not respond yet.. maybe he is out taking his FORD GT pics? heh

By the way the red GT.. WOW!!! Slick.. POWER!!! and the brakes look MASSIVE!

 

[Paulie]

Going miles off-topic (since it seems to be the fashion in this thread ).

Here's a video of Senna overtaking 5 cars in 1 lap at Donnington. Really stunning to watch

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2SjLAzBBLPI

There is acrazy video of a one-make Lotus race at Bathurst where some guy overtook some 20 cars in one lap. I'd get it, but meh, couldn't be bothered.

 

[FoolKiller]

Why are you lot all bothered by the GT owning statement? Whether or not its true, its a pointless act to mention having one in the first place. As if you are less credible otherwise. %)

All these silly comments about this guy's GT are getting off topic. It doesn't matter if he does or does not own one - I wouldn't mind knowing how he feels it compares IRL to in Gran Turismo but questioning anything you read on the internet is stupid. Perhaps the reason he brought it up was because that was his reason for buying the game? Who cares.

Perhaps you all didn't notice that the first person to ask for pics was a moderator. Instead of asking why we care, you should be asking why he cares.

Why would a moderator risk going off topic for some pics of a nice car?

It really is simple:

You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.

That is the first rule listed in the AUP.
In case you aren't familiar with it here is the link: https://www.gtplanet.net/aup/

It is important because obeying these rules is what keeps GTPlanet from looking like the rest of the Internet.

 

[bicycleshorts]

Fair point.

I don't think it was a key part of the topic though, it was more a passing comment. Obviously it would ignite curiosity given the audience here

 

[FoolKiller]

Obviously it would ignite curiosity given the audience here

Which is why any car claim is asked to be backed up by pics on this site, especially when they are cars that awesome.

The fact he tries to use it as a qualifier to validate his opinion only makes it worse.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

We had a guy show up in his modified Ford GTX1 at a recent autocross. This is one of the ones which was modified into a convertable and then tuned to the order of 700+ hp. The owner absolutely would not run the autocross in it. He said it had so much power that he had trouble with wheel-spin even in 4th gear on the highway, and thought there was just no way he could successfully navigate a small autocross course (he has a point, too much power is often a disadvantage in autocross, not an advantage).

I tried my best to convince him that club policy was "if you show up in the coolest car and won't drive it, you have to allow someone who is willing to drive give it a go." I volunteered of course, but he wasn't having any of it

Im sure you could handle her Pan, Cool looking car.

 

[Biggles]

Actually, car ownership issue aside, I agree with the OP: the starting from 16th & having to muscle your way to 1st IS what makes GT5P offline (& other GTs before it) ridiculous, especially when you have to do it 3 laps. That isn't racing, it's about having to dodge a bunch of much slower moving cars, & the only way to successfully do it is by frequent repetition to learn the precise passing spots. I hate it & it's fundamentally arcadey. It's the reason I haven't spent a minute in GT5P offline since completing all the required "events".

In online, the best races are not those where you start from the back & race through a field of crappy drivers, it's the races where you race 5 laps bumper-to-bumper with evenly matched opponent(s).

 

[SpawnBlack]

We had a guy show up in his modified Ford GTX1 at a recent autocross. This is one of the ones which was modified into a convertable and then tuned to the order of 700+ hp. The owner absolutely would not run the autocross in it. He said it had so much power that he had trouble with wheel-spin even in 4th gear on the highway, and thought there was just no way he could successfully navigate a small autocross course (he has a point, too much power is often a disadvantage in autocross, not an advantage).

I tried my best to convince him that club policy was "if you show up in the coolest car and won't drive it, you have to allow someone who is willing to drive give it a go." I volunteered of course, but he wasn't having any of it

OOOOOOOOOH, TRY GOING ROUND NURBURGRING STARTING IN LAST POSITION WITH A TIME UNDER 7 MIN. I DONE IT ON GT4 HOW ABOUT REAL LIFE. IF NOT THEN LETS STOP ALL THE FRAF !!!

 

[Lernatix]

In online, the best races are not those where you start from the back & race through a field of crappy drivers, it's the races where you race 5 laps bumper-to-bumper with evenly matched opponent(s).

Bingo! And it doesn't happen often enough (in my experience)
to keep me interested. I can only pray that Eutechnyx does a
better job with their next project. I doubt i'll buy GT5 unless
it's a huge upgrade from prologue in gameplay on (and off) line.

 

[Famine]

There is acrazy video of a one-make Lotus race at Bathurst where some guy overtook some 20 cars in one lap. I'd get it, but meh, couldn't be bothered.

There's one of a Mazda MX-5 race in the US (well... Miata then, I guess) where a guy qualified in something dim like 23rd and ended up 2nd after 2 laps (with one... slightly aggressive pass).

 

[bicycleshorts]

Surely just how impressive and rare each of these events are back-up what the original poster was trying to say. Yes it can happen, but it doesn't happen every race.

Passing 15 cars in 1 lap may be fun, but it's certainly not the fun you get from "racing". Better challenges would be to keep at a certain position in a field of cars (and AI) that are as good as you. This would force you to keep up with the car in front whilst always being aware of the one behind you, driving defensively and aggressively - just like real racing.

 

[DTM]

Ford GT? would this be a Cortina or an Escort GT?

your funny mate

we are all proud owners of a Ford GT. in the game

 

[Biggles]

Surely just how impressive and rare each of these events are back-up what the original poster was trying to say. Yes it can happen, but it doesn't happen every race.

Passing 15 cars in 1 lap may be fun, but it's certainly not the fun you get from "racing". Better challenges would be to keep at a certain position in a field of cars (and AI) that are as good as you. This would force you to keep up with the car in front whilst always being aware of the one behind you, driving defensively and aggressively - just like real racing.

The reason it doesn't happen that often is mostly due to the lack of private lobbies. Once you can guarantee a series of races with your fellow division buddies + the same cars, it's going to be all good! (BTW: Ferrari Challenge already offers this.)

 

[PyroZona]

Perhaps you all didn't notice that the first person to ask for pics was a moderator. Instead of asking why we care, you should be asking why he cares.

Why would a moderator risk going off topic for some pics of a nice car?

It really is simple:


That is the first rule listed in the AUP.
In case you aren't familiar with it here is the link: https://www.gtplanet.net/aup/

It is important because obeying these rules is what keeps GTPlanet from looking like the rest of the Internet.

I couldn't agree more, and I don't think it's completely off topic to respond to something in the O.P.'s post. FoolKiller also hit the nail on the head by saying

The fact he tries to use it as a qualifier to validate his opinion only makes it worse.

The three things that tell me that KeithWa is full of crap are:

1. He hasn't posted a single response to his original one...let alone one with pics of his alleged Ford GT.
   
2. I would think the owner of a Ford GT would love the challenge of trying to best 15 competitors by starting at the back of the pack. Then again, very few supercar owners (especially ones here in the U.S.) possess the skills necessary to excel on a racetrack.
   
3. In most cases, making copious amounts of money takes a bit of smarts (excluding professional athletes like basketball and football players, of course). Usually, financially successful people will have also been successful in grammar school...unlike this shmuck...or will at least be smart enough to use the "spell check" feature before posting.

That being said, I'll certainly be ignoring any of this poser's posts from now on...if he's not banned for being full of poo-poo, that is.

Just my 2 cents...

Pyro

 

[Pupik]

I'm not even an amateur racing driver, but every serious book on the subject basically states something along the lines of: Do not try to win the race on the first lap.

It is rather silly, since passing 16 cars in one lap generally means you're an uncooperative driver, or in machinery that outclasses the rest. There's always rare exceptions (M. Winkelhock's F1 lap at the mini-'Ring last year was in the rain, and nearly everyone else pitted, and I've seen the Elise drive at Bathurst, where the driver muscled past a lot of traffic without much grace or care for other driver's safety).

Just my two cents as well: Passing 5 other cars in old GT games from 6th spot was a task, but passing 10 more is a little ridiculous unless there's a point to be made (one-off drafting skill, for example). I'm sure this will be refined to some extent with the real GT5 (I wasn't crazy about GT4's series-only qualifying structure).

 

[RussRobit]

I mean, how is it a race if you constantly start in last place. What about time trial placement? How is this a simulator if you start in 16th place then race your way to 1st place? Am I suppose to enjoy this? How is this suppose to be a challenge?

Why didn't they add a qualification feature. Now if only I could qualify in 3rd - to 5th place, and actually struggle to hold my laps...and finish 4th place... THIS would be a race.

I'm a proud owner of a Ford GT, and occasional take it around the track. I guess GT just doesn't cut it for me.

I'm going to assume you're talking about offline here, so, like daan the super mod said, this is not a full game and all the features and options of the full game have not yet been implemented. PD seems to be following the formula that has worked for them in the past. Each race is like a puzzle for you to solve.
Even if they did add qualifying and you qualified in 4th. You would be in 4th because you are not as fast as the 3 in front. Do you think you would be faster in race conditions? Unless you got to the front through RBE or drafting, you would finish in 4th anyway, or maybe last if you messed up. Even if you qualified in 1st, you would probably finish in 1st, again, unless you messed up, so you might as well be running time trials.
Now show us some pics of you and your GT on track. I always love seeing sweet rides in there natural environment, it's one of the reasons I bought GT.

 

[Zmann42087]

I agree with all the comments stating that both the online and offline wheel-to-wheel race modes are lacking. But what I don't understand is how you guys can say that you're "done with GTP" or "bored with it".

I have not participated in a wheel-to-wheel race online or offline in over month. Basically because of all the reasons you guys have already stated. That said, I'm definitely still enjoying GT5P. How? I play the arcade time-trial mode like crazy! Does the thought of pushing a car to its limits on a track all your own not appeal to you guys? I can picture some people saying that they "need the competition" or something to that extent. I still find competition in simply racing the clock and trying to beat my previous best time. Or even better, playing the online time attack events so you have the opportunity to go up against others people's single fastest laps.

Most importantly, I think we all need to keep in mind the fact that this is Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. The best is yet to come! If you've read any of Kaz's recent interviews, you know that he has plans to improve the online mode (e.g. race lobbies, change number of laps, etc.). This game is already scary good as a demo and its only going to get better. Just hang in there guys.

 

[BALDY500]

Thats the fun in it i all ways seem to start at the back of the grid and try to work my way through some times i get in the top three some times im last but i still enjoy it , mine is a bugatti veron, well the sticker on the boot says that anyway.

 

[bicycleshorts]

I couldn't agree more, and I don't think it's completely off topic to respond to something in the O.P.'s post.

It was a passing comment, in my mind it's fine to bring it up if you actually respond to the main message within the comment as well. But to try and take the thread down a completely different route entirely is unnecessary.

Look at it this way, if every thread concerning GT5p had people saying: "I don't believe you own Gran Turismo, post pics of the box now!!", it would get very tiresome very quickly.

Could we try leaving at that, assume every knows he was (probably) talking rubbish and continue with the "main" topic?

I'd like to add that, in my opinion, the offline definition of racing - i.e. passing 15 cars in a lap has a derogatory effect on the online aspect. Namely encouraging overly reckless driving instead of close, clean racing. Perhaps if offline gameplay was a lot more about close racing without major contact - for example, consistent penalties and better AI, the number of "punters" would reduce in the online portion? I may have too much believe in people playing fair though :/ .

Also, whilst GT5p may not be the full game, surely offering valid input on what we (as the gaming community) feel is wrong with it would help improve the final game? Viewing GT5p as more of a "beta" version of GT5 means PD can take the criticisms present within these boards (if they choose to). When someone here suggested directly to Kaz to remove RBE, the event must've been popular enough to show PD that people preferred it. As a result we now have no RBE in expert races - something which has pleased a lot of members here

Edit:

Even if they did add qualifying and you qualified in 4th. You would be in 4th because you are not as fast as the 3 in front. Do you think you would be faster in race conditions? Unless you got to the front through RBE or drafting, you would finish in 4th anyway, or maybe last if you messed up. Even if you qualified in 1st, you would probably finish in 1st, again, unless you messed up, so you might as well be running time trials.

A very, very valid point. However, if you were only given a small period of time or even just one "flying lap" to complete the qualification it would keep it from being boring and result in more pressure (and fun) in trying to complete a quick, clean lap. This would also be a good inclusion online - and could match you up to drivers with similar capabilities as you instead of at random.

Offline, PD could alternatively use the qualification as a way to determine your skill level and alter the AI skill level in the race accordingly.

 

[KeithWa]

...And if it was in GT4, I don't see why they wouldn't include it in GT5p - even though it is a "demo", it should still be there in my mind.. Though so should a good AI engine

Did GT4 have qualification? I was thinking it was GT3. One of the two full games did not have qualification. Who is to say that GT5 will?

So jack up the AI difficulty and number of laps if you're too bothered.

I was not aware you could increase the AI difficulty? Not that it would matter, because I assume it will only make them faster rather than smarter and more human like.

I agree - if I had a GT it'd rarely end up on a track simply because I'd be worried about totaling it. And when you're at track days no-one is really "properly" racing, not in the same sense as GT5p online

Ah' thank you. There are not really any tracks around here...it is quite a drive out of state. At least give me some credit for driving it instead of boxing it up in a garage...you should see other peoples expressions when you drive around town.

The OP's post is suspiciously troll-like, and successfully at that given how many responses there've been...

Sometimes life is unexpected.

We had a guy show up in his modified Ford GTX1 at a recent autocross. This is one of the ones which was modified into a convertable and then tuned to the order of 700+ hp. The owner absolutely would not run the autocross in it. He said it had so much power that he had trouble with wheel-spin even in 4th gear on the highway, and thought there was just no way he could successfully navigate a small autocross course (he has a point, too much power is often a disadvantage in autocross, not an advantage).

Awesome car, but a bit awkward as a convertible? I installed the Sean Hyland Motorsport Power Package, and that's another 130hp; it is very easy to sing the tires.

The three things that tell me that KeithWa is full of crap are:

1. He hasn't posted a single response to his original one...let alone one with pics of his alleged Ford GT.
   
   Death in the family. I admit I overdone it on exposing the GT.
   
2. I would think the owner of a Ford GT would love the challenge of trying to best 15 competitors by starting at the back of the pack. Then again, very few supercar owners (especially ones here in the U.S.) possess the skills necessary to excel on a racetrack.
   
   Why? Would it not be better to start in the front group with competitors that are just as fast?
   
3. In most cases, making copious amounts of money takes a bit of smarts (excluding professional athletes like basketball and football players, of course). Usually, financially successful people will have also been successful in grammar school...unlike this shmuck...or will at least be smart enough to use the "spell check" feature before posting.

Please enlighten my grammar mistakes; seriously.

That being said, I'll certainly be ignoring any of this poser's posts from now on...if he's not banned for being full of poo-poo, that is.

Just my 2 cents...

Pyro

 

[deadlyz33]

Take a picture of the car with a piece of paper that says GTPLANET. Then we will all believe you.

Nice car though, instant collectible.

 

[bicycleshorts]

Firstly: I'm sorry for your loss.

Take a picture of the car with a piece of paper that says GTPLANET. Then we will all believe you.

Irrelevant. Though he could show pictures to show how awesome it is

Did GT4 have qualification? I was thinking it was GT3. One of the two full games did not have qualification. Who is to say that GT5 will?

I'm not 100% on this, someone who still plays both can probably clear this up

I was not aware you could increase the AI difficulty? Not that it would matter, because I assume it will only make them faster rather than smarter and more human like.

Sadly not even that, all it does is increase the cars they are using. So, for example; instead of racing Elises in your Elise, you end up racing Ferraris and other supercars

 

[RACECAR]

Did GT4 have qualification? I was thinking it was GT3. One of the two full games did not have qualification. Who is to say that GT5 will?

Actually, both games have qualifying.

 

[homeforsummer]

Sometimes life is unexpected.

Nice response. And completely irrelevant to the comment I posted. Until you're able to prove to a satisfactory level that you own a Ford GT, your comment will still seem very troll-like.

Even if you can prove that you own a GT, it amuses me that you'd come on a forum to moan about a glorified demo of a racing game as one of your first (if not your first) posts, instead of, I don't know, maybe introducing yourself, or hopping along to the Automotive section of the forum and showing off your car, or even taking the time to post constructively in a couple of other threads as well.

As it is, to the rest of us you'll just be another one of the many who come and go from this site having bitched about the game a little and then never return. And without some form of evidence that you own a GT you'll just be one of the many who come and go from this site claiming they own a nice car and then never back it up.

On a different note, I'm sorry for your loss. It's a feeling many of us are familiar with.

👍

 

[FoolKiller]

Irrelevant. Though he could show pictures to show how awesome it is

No, it isn't irrelevant. That is how we do it around here to weed out the liars.

For an example of how this should be done look at the pics of my car (link in my sig). Not only did I do it, but I did it from two exterior shots and one interior shot. And one had me in the frame.

And that was just for a VW Rabbit.

 

[bicycleshorts]

No, it isn't irrelevant. That is how we do it around here to weed out the liars.

In this case, could I suggest you (or someone else) created a new thread to question Keith's ownership of a car? That way this thread could stay on-topic.

Regardless of if he is a liar or not, the point of his argument is still reasonably interesting in the current world of GT5p - i.e. nothing of interest happening.

Edit: For the record, if I had a Ford GT, I certainly wouldn't want to spend time taking pictures with it to prove to a bunch of people I'd never met that I owned one. I'd rather just go out and drive it . That's just me though.

I drive my mum's astra occasionally though, if anyone wants pics of that just let me know! Nothing quite like the sound of a roaring 1.4 engine... I hate being a student

 

[Scaff]

Ah' thank you. There are not really any tracks around here...it is quite a drive out of state. At least give me some credit for driving it instead of boxing it up in a garage...you should see other peoples expressions when you drive around town.

Unfortunately you have not yet offered any actual proof of ownership, and such a claim is quite one to make. The AUP has already been quoted in regard to this kind of matter, so as to not derail this thread we have a location that deals with matters such as this.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3244636&postcount=676

Have a read and could you please post up the pictures as soon as possible.

Any further discussion of this matter will now take place in the thread linked to above.


Regards

Scaff

 

[bicycleshorts]

Thanks Scaff . Nice thread by the way, never seen one of those on a forum before.

Regarding the boredom with GT5p, I moved back to GT4, I plan to make a new thread soon once I can get a video uploaded documenting it.

Until then, I'd recommend anyone who has grown a bit tired of GT5p to go back to GT4. Sure the graphics and physics are a bit worse, but its so much fun. I forgot how amazing some of the tracks are.

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

Unfortunately you have not yet offered any actual proof of ownership, and such a claim is quite one to make. The AUP has already been quoted in regard to this kind of matter, so as to not derail this thread we have a location that deals with matters such as this.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3244636&postcount=676

Have a read and could you please post up the pictures as soon as possible.

Any further discussion of this matter will now take place in the thread linked to above.


Regards

Scaff

So we need evidence for every thing we say?? If I said I owned a ford fiesta none would have demanded picture.....