So is BOP sport races permanent now?

[s0cks]

I think one way to combat meta cars is to actually change the races each day. It takes a few days to figure out the meta car normally, so this would combat that. Up until races start repeating that is.

OP cars that dominate multiple tracks need to be nerfed though. That said, I only need to own two cars for all the race B and C now, which in this economy, is good

 

[hardvibes]

So they've killed tuning in online races? Which means that's everyone sticks to only the op cars in the class as always no room for diversity cuz if you use a different car your atleast 1 or 2 seconds slower then the op cars

I hope not. I want to have the choice.
Like the matchmaking in Forza motorsports. But please, for the love of god, leave the vgt out of there!

 

[SnuggleMaster]

I've tried it since 1.09, and the gearing exploit absolutely worked after that update. Maybe they snuck something in without telling anyone, but PP was 100% still broken as of the day the last update dropped

Edit: I just checked and the transmission bug is still very much alive and well.
Go to Daytona Gr 3. Use RX Vision Mazda. Set the transmission to 230. Go into manual adjust and change 6th from 2.082 to 2.081.
On my car this changes the PP from 697.08PP to 738.47PP. That 6th gear setting is the difference between 155.x and 156mph top speed. That is NOT worthy of 41pp delta, lol. So I'll say it again, PP is still BROKEN
(Daytona is not necessary it's just where I test the transmission bug since it keeps everything the same every time I try it)

As for there being a tuning race lately I wouldn't know as all I've done on this game is "rubber-banded" Pan-Am for the last week+; it's the only way to make enough credits to buy cars. So I'm not up on the daily races, I'll admit I was wrong in that regard.

O well I may be wrong on that I tested it and maxing out my last gear did not make any big pp change.

Anyway the pp system is a crutch just like bop. Its arcade mode for people who don't want to be bothered with setting their cars up.

It should be hp and weight limit. Plus GT class limit if we are talking race cars. Then go race with your setup. that's it.

And yes there would still be meta setup but it would still be way more varied then what it is now.

I hope not. I want to have the choice.
Like the matchmaking in Forza motorsports. But please, for the love of god, leave the vgt out of there!

100% on the VGT cars. What are they even are they just concept cars the devs designed?

 

[ebadevil]

I'm perfectly fine with BoP. BoP meta cars or tune meta cars is the exact same thing. However, as others mentioned: 1) BoP guards from the broken PP calculation 2) Makes online more accessible to everyone who doesn't want to spend 2 days testing tunes. To be completely frank, this smells of elitist gatekeeping of online races to "tuners only".

 

[Zero2Oblivion]

And seriously, whether BoP or not, it would be exactly the same with tuning.
There are always at least 1-2 optimal cars.

Correct. The kicker is that IRL racing teams keep their tuning secret, but thanks to the internet, all of the best tuning setups are available for anyone to use, which kind of negates the point of having tuning in the first place. If everyone uses the same tune, you're effectively racing a BoP race.

 

[SnuggleMaster]

Correct. The kicker is that IRL racing teams keep their tuning secret, but thanks to the internet, all of the best tuning setups are available for anyone to use, which kind of negates the point of having tuning in the first place. If everyone uses the same tune, you're effectively racing a BoP race.

you assume everybody uses the same tune.

just because you think it doesn't make it so.

thats what YOU would do. not me.

 

[Goshin2568]

I think one way to combat meta cars is to actually change the races each day. It takes a few days to figure out the meta car normally, so this would combat that. Up until races start repeating that is.

OP cars that dominate multiple tracks need to be nerfed though. That said, I only need to own two cars for all the race B and C now, which in this economy, is good

Idk in my opinion this would just make things worse. You'd either have to get lucky and pick one of the best cars right away, or you'd have to spend all day testing each car to figure out what was the best rather than putting that time towards qualifying or racing.


It's really strange to me that some of you prioritize a variety of cars above having a fair competition.

 

[SnuggleMaster]

Idk in my opinion this would just make things worse. You'd either have to get lucky and pick one of the best cars right away, or you'd have to spend all day testing each car to figure out what was the best rather than putting that time towards qualifying or racing.


It's really strange to me that some of you prioritize a variety of cars above having a fair competition.

Then just make everybody drive the same car. As a matter of fact why have the game at all or anymore then one car.

All you need is one car with no setting options and a bunch of tracks.

Hell why do we even need accurate model? just stick a carboard box with wheels on it. **** make it a camel instead of a car..identical camels so its fair.

Camel clones if that what you like.

Sounds lame af.

 

[s0cks]

Idk in my opinion this would just make things worse. You'd either have to get lucky and pick one of the best cars right away, or you'd have to spend all day testing each car to figure out what was the best rather than putting that time towards qualifying or racing.


It's really strange to me that some of you prioritize a variety of cars above having a fair competition.

Variety is the spice of life. It was just a thought. Tbh I prefer weekly races, but I'm also kinda tired of meta cars. They need to sort out the default setups and give us back brake bias in BoP races. I think then we'd have more variety.

 

[Zero2Oblivion]

you assume everybody uses the same tune.

just because you think it doesn't make it so.

thats what YOU would do. not me.

A bit perplexed by your comment.

While my commentary is a generalization, it can be easily taken to be so - a comment that generalizes a situation and not a clear statement or assumption that absolutely every single person actually uses the exact same tune that they found online.

I could have said most people will use the best tune, or a lot of people will use the best tune, and it would mean the same thing.

 

[Goshin2568]

Then just make everybody drive the same car. As a matter of fact why have the game at all or anymore then one car.

All you need is one car with no setting options and a bunch of tracks.

Hell why do we even need accurate model? just stick a carboard box with wheels on it. **** make it a camel instead of a car..identical camels so its fair.

Camel clones if that what you like.

Sounds lame af.

Come on, that's disingenuous. Wanting to be able to drive a variety of different cars doesn't mean there needs to be a huge variety within the same race. You're only driving one of them, why does it matter if the other people in the race have different cars than you do?


Not to mention, if what you're mainly after is just driving a whole bunch of cars, you have the entire rest of the game for that. World circuit, missions, licenses, arcade, lobbies, etc. Sport mode is specifically for competetive multiplayer, and competitive multiplayer should be as fair as we can make it.

 

[SnuggleMaster]

Come on, that's disingenuous. Wanting to be able to drive a variety of different cars doesn't mean there needs to be a huge variety within the same race. You're only driving one of them, why does it matter if the other people in the race have different cars than you do?


Not to mention, if what you're mainly after is just driving a whole bunch of cars, you have the entire rest of the game for that. World circuit, missions, licenses, arcade, lobbies, etc. Sport mode is specifically for competetive multiplayer, and competitive multiplayer should be as fair as we can make it.

If everyone has the same options what is not fair? I don't want to play my cars offline you play offline then.

take your own suggestions.

 

[xMAXIx79]

If everyone has the same options what is not fair? I don't want to play my cars offline you play offline then.

take your own suggestions.

I'm afraid you just don't understand what others are saying, or don't want to understand. It is what it is and iRL is no different. In no racing game can and will ever be otherwise. Either way, everything is subject to physical and therefore also mathematical laws. There will always be at least one very special car for a circuit (as long as you assume the cars are designed differently) and then there will be some that are close and some that are far away.

That's how it is... And no matter how pessimistic or negative or however you look at this, it always will be.

But many seem to think they could suddenly win by free tuning for the races with their inferior car. THIS IS (perhaps even possible in individual cases, but in the long run) NOT REALISTIC.

And again... nobody is forced to use the meta car, but if you want to be among the absolute elite, i.e. a maximum of 1 second (seen on a "normal" racetrack with ~ 2 minutes time per lap) away from the very fastest, then you can get there around the meta no longer around it. Any slower times are down to the driver rather than the car.

 

[SnuggleMaster]

I'm afraid you just don't understand what others are saying, or don't want to understand. It is what it is and iRL is no different. In no racing game can and will ever be otherwise. Either way, everything is subject to physical and therefore also mathematical laws. There will always be at least one very special car for a circuit (as long as you assume the cars are designed differently) and then there will be some that are close and some that are far away.

That's how it is... And no matter how pessimistic or negative or however you look at this, it always will be.

But many seem to think they could suddenly win by free tuning for the races with their inferior car. THIS IS (perhaps even possible in individual cases, but in the long run) NOT REALISTIC.

And again... nobody is forced to use the meta car, but if you want to be among the absolute elite, i.e. a maximum of 1 second (seen on a "normal" racetrack with ~ 2 minutes time per lap) away from the very fastest, then you can get there around the meta no longer around it. Any slower times are down to the driver rather than the car.

No. You are wrong end of story.

No we think we could be competitive that's it.

Currently alot of cars are non competitive due to the devs slapping a common tune on all cars
and you are ignoring all IRL racing there is no racing where the car is not allowed to tune for the track. Stop lying.

EDIT you didn't really say anything here..what is your actual point?

"I'm afraid you just don't understand what others are saying, or don't want to understand.(no I understand what I like) It is what it is and iRL is no different.(Lie) In no racing game can and will ever be otherwise.(Lie) Either way, everything is subject to physical and therefore also mathematical laws.(What?) There will always be at least one very special car for a circuit (as long as you assume the cars are designed differently) and then there will be some that are close and some that are far away. (No ****)

WTF does that have to do with me wanting to shift my ballast change my gears or adjust my aero?

Are you playing dumb? Being a troll?

 

[xMAXIx79]

No. You are wrong end of story.

No we think we could be competitive that's it.

Currently alot of cars are non competitive due to the devs slapping a common tune on all cars
and you are ignoring all IRL racing there is no racing where the car is not allowed to tune for the track. Stop lying.

EDIT you didn't really say anything here..what is your actual point?

Dude, you really have a problem...

And to assume that I would lie is really great cinema.

Do you actually notice what you are writing and that you have zero points and arguments?

I've written more than enough on the subject already, but you seem unable or unwilling to understand what others are writing if it doesn't fit your worldview. But I can live with that.... BYE

 

[SnuggleMaster]

Dude, you really have a problem...

And to assume that I would lie is really great cinema.

Do you actually notice what you are writing and that you have zero points and arguments?

I've written more than enough on the subject already, but you seem unable or unwilling to understand what others are writing if it doesn't fit your worldview. But I can live with that.... BYE

wont miss you and your narrow view.

do you need a 80's style slowclap as you walk away?

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

Ya because the first week is how it will always go.

Ya because the first week is how it will always go....

Who said that? Sorry guy, but the first week is how reality went and we haven’t scene PP races since. Do the math.

 

[SnuggleMaster]

Ya because the first week is how it will always go.

Who said that? Sorry guy, but the first week is how reality went and we haven’t scene PP races since. Do the math.

Who said that....."Were you not playing for the first week of the game's release? PP racing was worse than BoP with the VGT car being insanely overpowered." Dont know hmm.

Cool. Don't care hp and weight races will do just fine and we have seen 2 of those.

They seem to be intent on putting tuning in the game they are just testing.

I will collect your tears later.