Something scary they're teaching my first grader.
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Because it sounded like one. In fact there was little room for any alternative interpretation. Occasionally it is hard to tell. This is not one of those times.
How so? You think "stuck-up prick" is fair?
A little?
People don't want to get into some PM verification system to understand people's posts. If it's that hard to say what you mean and mean what you say then you have a problem. Also, if I had made a comment that was misunderstood by so many members I would've made an effort to publicly clarify it. But no such effort was made so I'll stick to my belief that it was mean.
There's also the matter of what this thread is about. When a man talks about his kids or his family, even if you think he is a "stuck-up prick," common decency should prevent you from saying so publicly. Certain comments go beyond mere rudeness and are downright nasty. Comments like that will only make people less open around here, and that can only hurt a forum.
According to you guys anyone can say anything or be as rude as they want, then wait for somebody to PM them about it and claim it was all a misunderstanding, which is bull ****.
So has he PMed Neon Duke yet? That would make everything "all good," not some third person's claim that it is.
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If you knew the whole matter, you wouldnt have said that.
The situation is under control, Sludge has apologized and is the better man for it.
Apparantly Neon Duke has some issues as well and the way I look at it, we are all not perfect.
Let it go and let the thread live.
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Originally posted by misnblu
If you knew the whole matter, you wouldnt have said that.
The situation is under control, Sludge has apologized and is the better man for it.
Apparantly Neon Duke has some issues as well and the way I look at it, we are all not perfect.
Let it go and let the thread live.
Misnblu
Uh... okay. Thanks for taking care of that then.
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It sure sounded like one to me, though I don't understand where it came from since I don't recall every having a go with Sludge anywhere else. From MFKAD/Dudebusta I would expect it but we both know what we think of each other and for the most part we ignore each other because of that.
And no, Sludge has not explained what provoked it. No one has PMed me on this subject at all, though apparently there has been a bit of private discussion on the topic.
Public thanks to all who have defended me.
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Ummmmm, since I'm the party most concerned, can I say a few things here?
1) Sludge has not apologized, at least not to me, or explained the comment in any way at all. Perhaps if I knew the whole matter (considering I'm involved in it), I would understand as well.
2) Please elaborate what you mean by "Neon Duke has some issues as well". I agree we are not all perfect and I make no claim to be. However, I do treat all members with respect until they prove themselves unworthy of it. I have given people the business on these boards, yes, but never in my first post to that person, and even then only after they have shown themselves to have little respect for the rules or the other members of this forum.
If someone has a problem with me or the way I behave, they should talk to me about it, either in public or via PM. Ask AE86Driver about our public and private exchanges.
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I would argue that if members of society stop helping eachother we cease to have a society at all. We live in communities because we want to interact with other people - part of that interaction involves helping people. You should feel obligated, you should WANT to help. If you don't want to, then leave.
Christianity - "Good works don't get you into Heaven, but without good works you can't get into Heaven." That was something a bible study group I was in went back and forth on quite a bit. God doesn't demand that we help eachother out, but as a community of civilized people we should want to help eachother. If that's not part of your nature are you sure you belong in a community?
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I disagree wholeheartedly with your statement here. Why is it not a society if people get together, entirely of their own free will, for mutual benefit? That sounds like a wonderful society to me. I never claimed to want to avoid people. I'm highly interested in interacting with people with whom I can exchange ideas, information, and entertainment; not to mention products, services, and money.
But why should I feel obligated to do more than trade what I have for what I need, and respect others' right to do the same thing?
Yes, I'm sure I belong in a community - a community such as I described above. A free and equal society composed of individuals who are interacting of their own free will, and choosing interactions that benefit all parties concerned.
If I am 'morally obligated' to help others (especially to put their needs before my own), then I am beholden - enslaved - to the rest of the world, and they are beholden to me. I don't want either of those things. I reject the idea that a society of mutual enslavement between every living person is morally better than a society of mutual benefit freely chosen by its members.
I also deny the implication (intended or not) that I am not a moral person because I choose to base my idea of good and evil on something other than the Bible.
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Then do we need teachers to tell our kids what they should want? Can a teacher even make somebody want something they may or may not want on their own?
There are situations where I want to help and situations where I don't, even if someone may appear to need help. Homeless people are a good example. I see the same drunk beggar every day for two years. I used to "help" him but now know it is pointless and I don't want to now. But someone who's been indoctrinated into this morality of pity is more likely to be put into situations where they can be taken advantage of.
Compassion is an instinct. It can't be taught. And moral lessons are for parents to share with their kids, not public schools. They need to stick to academics and stay out of families.
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Woo Hoo! The perspective some members are trying to push here is sappy, guilty, and excessively liberal, like all slave moralities, as in: No one ever has to do anything for themselves because somebody else will do it for you.
It's a circular absurdity, a free floating concept that has no grounding whatsoever.
And it's a good thing that no matter how hard they push, it will never be natural or healthy for living things to be this way, to be servile. You'd think that such collectivist, anti-social drivel would have been abandoned by this day and age.
I helped a guy put some drywall in his truck yesterday at Home Depot. He was having a hard time and I had plenty of time so I helped. Now if I was in a hurry, had to go to the bathroom, or whatever, I'd be fine walking right by because I am not obliged in any way. And that only makes the fact that I did help more vaulable... because it wasn't required. It was my choice. I wanted to.
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That was my point in this thread - why is that idea so unquestioningly accepted as 'good' and 'moral'? It is so thouroughly pervasive in books, movies, TV and newspapers, schools, sermons, etc.
I'm very curious - not to mention alarmed - about how thoroughly society is indoctrinated to this collectivism. Anything remotely smacking of free exchange - capitalism - is portrayed as evil and selfish whether in individuals or companies. When was the last time that a businessperson was ever portrayed as a good guy in the movies? Was there ever a time when that happened?
I'm very curious - not to mention alarmed - about how thoroughly society is indoctrinated to this collectivism. Anything remotely smacking of free exchange - capitalism - is portrayed as evil and selfish whether in individuals or companies. When was the last time that a businessperson was ever portrayed as a good guy in the movies? Was there ever a time when that happened?
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I have to, in part, disagree with this statement. Lev. 19:17 says: You shall not take vengeance , nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself
The same is said in Matt 19:19.
In order to love your neighbor, you have to have love for yourself.
If you don't love and respect yourself, how can you do the same for your "neighbor"?
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Oh my goodness gracious me, I think I'm about to faint. Someone with reason!!! 👍 I mentioned how the world wouldn't get anywhere in a selfless environment, because there would be a never-ending chain of basing one's wants on another's wants, and it looks like someone else sees the same light.
There, right there, that's what I've been trying to point out for so long now. Why "must" we help others, instead of simply, genuinely, wanting to? Why is there this obligation to help others... an obligation... why? If I want to help someone with something, I will. If I don't, then I won't. What is wrong with this?
And why are rich folks expected to help others so much? My cousin is a mutli-millionaire... the guy could toss a enough money in my bank account to pay for my college tuition for any college, and without putting a small dent in his wallet. Yet, I don't expect him to do that-- it would be so morally wrong to. Why are we punishing those who worked so hard to reach where they are? If someone makes a huge load of money, they should do whatever they want with it, not to be obligated to give some of it out. The idea that less fortunate people deserve money is ludicrous... that's not to say that it's bad to help them, if you want to, but no one should be obligated to.
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