How would you know he doesn't know what he's talking about if you haven't read it?
Simple. I don't need to read every post, because after reading the other one, I gave up on him. There's no correlation between Speed and Grip... :/
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Vagabond to replace the queen. That is all.
As for the whole grip thing, I couldn't care less as long as you can drift alongside me without any problem. If you leave me, when leading then I have work to do on my car. Simple.
So you'd be adapting your style to suit others their needs, jumping on the bandwagon.
This is from my real world drifting experience: When i first started drifting in my S14(stock redtop SR on 11lbs) some years ago i was told by many of the pro am drivers to start on MTS(mexican tire shop tires) tires as they are cheap to replace. The lessons that they taught me were to learn car control. Only after i became proficient did i move up to more grippier tires as they provided more precise movements and my SPEED came from knowing the course and being more precise with the car. So to be frank everyone in this community should really move to CM as our SPEED is much faster than it used to be in GT5. Having less grip can only teach you so much before you hit a plateau.
So, you're too good to use CH tires now? Don't go for other tires just because people 'expect' it. I never will.
And you also state you think: 'Less grip can teach you so much before you hit a plateau'. I'm sorry, but I call ********. You can improve every single time you're in a car. If you were too good for the tires, you'd be sponsored and driving in FD by now...
I agree with this to a point.
All my setups aimed at beginners (
here) , have less grip than what i am currently using.
I'm still using CH, but I now run 0.0 rear camber giving me much more rear end grip, and also tweaked rear springs/dampers/arb.
So, the cars that allowed me to adjust to gt6, I now find don't have enough grip for me to place the car exactly how I want to, at the speeds I want to. I must reduce my entry speeds to retain control, not due to my lack of skill, but due to the lack of grip. I can still drift them fine, with huge angle and consistency, but not at the speeds that I'm now drifting at in my cars with my latest favourite setups.
I agree, I fiddle with my car a lot too, to find setups that suit my needs. But I never, never tune a car for the sole purpose of increasing my speeds. If you really need speed to make drifting interesting, there is nothing wrong with the cars, or the sport, but... You.
So I agree, with experience, you can use extra grip to your advantage, being able to slow down from higher entry speeds (@
Gonales), with more angle, and more control. It also allows higher angles with more acceleration coming out of sweepers. Less grip would mean less angle would be needed for the same forward acceleration.
Just for clarity I'm talking about the same cars, on the same tyres, just with different setups, giving large differences in handling and grip levels.
Yes, with more grip you can brake later, you can take more risks, etc etc...
Also, with more speed you could try some Nascar. This is Drifting. Speed doesn't belong in it.
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This is why D1 and Formula D cars all have huge amounts of power and grip, because it means the fastest, most sideways action possible, and is arguably the pinnacle of drifting.
Obviously not everyone's favourite type of drifting, I myself have been sliding a 250bhp sileighty with nothing more than a suspension setup and a locked diff, and absolutely loving it. Being able to drive the car so hard, with little consequence for making a mistake, just hustle it through as hard and fast as you can, with a huge grin on your face.
I also enjoy taking the Blitz ER34, which has loads of grip on CH, and doing my best to tame it's nature. Two completely different beasts and styles of drifting, but both drifting none the less.
And this is why I stopped watching the bigger kind of drifting competitions. If you need to have such extremes to make a sport attractive, it's totally not the sport it used to be. (And has to be.)
There are SO MANY automotive sports, where speed is the most important factor. F1, WTCC, Nascar, Rally etc etc. Why make drifting just another one of those?
Drifting is classified as an extreme sport. It shouldn't start resembling motorsports.
Whoaho, hold on there tiger. Are you trying to say I do this, or just people in general? Because I for one have multiple cars set up for different reasons, and know what cars I should be using given lobby. But it will not change my style. I know you don't like real life comparisons, but do you also thing it would be selfish for somebody to bring an Mustang or BMW to a fun drift day, because that's the car they can afford and enjoy? By the way I do recall you using the HKS S15 back in competitions on GT5, which has loads of downforce and grip, I know this because you went up against my man fairladyz32ndson in his M5.
People in general. I agree with you, I have a couple of cars too, and I choose the one to use when I enter a lobby, based on what other people are driving. But if from the 8 people, there are 3 Vette's and 3 Challanger/Vipers/M5's and so on, ... I will look for another lobby. Not my thing.
Here, it's fairly common to see BMW's at drift days. Even the E46 M3's and stuff. (Living close to Germany and stuff helps.) Thing is, I wouldn't tandem with such a car, or someone using seriously expensive tires.
And you couldn't get more wrong about consistency. You should take your own advice, and actually READ what I typed, because I said consistency will give you speed no matter how you drift. Take Ishox, Gauz, and LayNlow. They can consistently hold big angles. Then there are people who can do big angles, and can not do it consistently (stalling, straightening out, spinning). These people that are not consistent will clearly be slower. Plus consistent drifters choose the line they want just about every time, instead of just sliding all over the track like a jabroni. Same goes for speed drifters, except you would likely see non consistent one straighten up, fly off track, and just slam into stuff. Consistency also makes it great for drifting, because you can trust what the other driver will do.
We agree on the consistency part, I think that we are talking about the same thing and just not realising it. Thing is, I'm a slow drifter. I often overtake people because they spin out regularly etc. This doesn't mean I'm faster, or have more speed... It just means I can keep my speed (or lack thereof), better in check. You could say I have a higher average speed per lap, but not during specific corners.
And like I said before. A great driver should be able to adjust to an others driving style, may it be speed or angle. An alright driver can only do what they know. If you can't grasp the concept of people having different styles, you should just solo drift offline or go ice skating, get some fresh air. Most of us are having fun, because after all, this is just a game.
I totally grasp the fact people have different styles. I just think that true speed drifting is a joke. And I will never tandem with such a person.
Most of the times I won't tandem with a car that has more grip than an average 350Z. There is no point.
Drifting doesn't need speed to be attractive. Drifting, has elegance, and enough adrenaline on low speeds...
The way I kind of see it: It's like jumping out of an airplane with a parachute. You can open your chute well on time, enjoying the view and ride down, and experiencing the thrill of falling without the chute opening.
But on the other hand, you also have people who would want to squeeze the last bit out of it... And open their chute at the last possible instant. It's not needed, it's overkill and it has effects on the other people you share your passion with.
All things in moderation... Even speed during drifting.
Was refering that a driver that has a grippy but controllable car generally has more car control and precision than one who hasn't. Not saying that he/she's better. And what is he wrong about exactly? Wanting realistic car behaviour? 
