No matter what I do I can't get the Normal over the line any quicker than 229km/h (may have done 230 once) and the Tuned 249. Surprisingly it doesn't seem to matter how well I take the penultimate corner as long as it's not stuffed up completely. What's your highest speed over the line? Given it's the longest full-throttle section the last two corners should be by far the most important.
Speed over the line
- Thread starter raceur
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arora
(Banned)
- 4,098
155mph in the tunned and 143mph in the normal. It is strange to me that I can usually get those speeds at the line even when I botch turn 11. Something to try that helps me; when you start a cold lap simply go way wide around the rumble before the straight to make sure your up to speed. Obviously don't do that on the end of a good lap.
Also holding onto the last shift late as possible in the tune and I short shift a tad with the normal, right as the while line is about to end.
Also holding onto the last shift late as possible in the tune and I short shift a tad with the normal, right as the while line is about to end.
I know which is what I find strange, I'd have thought as my laptime is 2-3 secs off the top pace my top speed would have been slower. Obviously the time difference is elsewhere. I don't think I'm especially good on the last two corners as like I said many variations in line produce the same result as long as no major mistakes are made.
- 2,529
- G-D Luxembourg
- GTP_Vince_Fiero
I experimented with the same result.
Fast or a bit slower exit on 11, going wide or staying on the track, shifting early or late, ... same conclusion, if no major mistakes 229km/h and 249km/h.
It gives the impression that in corner 13 you are somehow limited with grip and making the corner. With the tuned car I always come out just after the gray strip on the right in corner 13 at about 231 km/h ending up at 249 km/h at the line. This with sometimes quite different entrance speeds and angles.
Fast or a bit slower exit on 11, going wide or staying on the track, shifting early or late, ... same conclusion, if no major mistakes 229km/h and 249km/h.
It gives the impression that in corner 13 you are somehow limited with grip and making the corner. With the tuned car I always come out just after the gray strip on the right in corner 13 at about 231 km/h ending up at 249 km/h at the line. This with sometimes quite different entrance speeds and angles.
- 676
- GTP_TrievelA7X
I notice quite a difference, but then I measure in less than 1 mph increments. Basically how quickly after the line I can hit 143 or 155, (mph) I don't believe anyone's hit either by the line, as I've outrun several of the fastest times to the braking point for turn one, if by no more than .01
- 676
- GTP_TrievelA7X
The interesting thing is although the final top speed never seems to vary the time taken for that final sector certainly does. And it is not as if the cars have stabilised as their top speed prior to hitting the line by any means as they are still accelerating at a reasonable pace afterwards. Clearly there is a tradeoff on the last two corners between apex speed and how early you get on full power, but I wouldn't expect every combination thereof to yield the same result every time almost irrespective of how well the car is driven. I am unable to explain this, can anyone else?
229km/h = 142.3mph
249km/h = 154.73mph
I can get 229 pretty often, I count 228 as good though. This is just visual as I cross so not precise. And I'm level with Dholland's ghost down the straight so his speed isn't any greater but of course during Turn 1 the lesson in driving begins ;-)
229km/h = 142.3mph
249km/h = 154.73mph
I can get 229 pretty often, I count 228 as good though. This is just visual as I cross so not precise. And I'm level with Dholland's ghost down the straight so his speed isn't any greater but of course during Turn 1 the lesson in driving begins ;-)
- 598
- GTP_2299
raceur, same here (228 Km/h rarely 229), at least for stock car (I am concentrating on that one at the moment and I am still, sigh, around 730th place in Italy).
I am glad you found helpful my Indy 'speed map'.
I agree it can't be taken as an absolute reference. I just think it may be help in correcting driving mistakes.
I'll try to find sometime to create another one for the tuned version with Luca Ordonez lap.
I am glad you found helpful my Indy 'speed map'.
I agree it can't be taken as an absolute reference. I just think it may be help in correcting driving mistakes.
I'll try to find sometime to create another one for the tuned version with Luca Ordonez lap.
- 931
- Montgomery, AL
No, he's telling the truth.
I can fairly consistently cross the line at 230 km/h in the normal car... the smallest fraction of a second shy of 231 on a couple occasions.
You have to enter the last banked corner very wide, shift into 5th as late as possible, and follow through with as little change in steering input and as little tire noise as possible, gently easing up on the steering input before you reach the end of the beige inside curb (ideally you'll want to hit between 209 and 210 at the end of this curbing) in order to allow the car to exit the corner all the way to the outside, just a hair shy of hitting the wall. You shouldn't hear much tire noise at all after you lighten your steering input if you're doing it properly. You should hit 222 km/h just as you hit the dip, and ride it out to the finish line for 230 km/h just before you cross, or 143 mph for those of you using that unit.
155 mph for the tuned car seems perfectly reasonable as well. That's 249.4 km/h, and I'm certain I've crossed the line numerous times after hitting 249 but just shy of 250.
He's not faster than everyone in the US, he's just doing it correctly.
- 257
- davissi
I can hit 155mph comfortably in the tuned for the start of pretty much every lap, its slightly harder to grab 143mph in the normal as often, most laps are 142.5mph but 143mph is achieved with a bit of extra concentration and risk. I don't find it that important compared to the significance of braking and corner entry/exit.
- 589
- GTP_Profi
- Whats this?
This behaviour of "Exit-Speeds NOT Carried On" is a strange thing and I am aware of this since GT4 (my first GT game)
I surely know there is something wrong with the "physics" engine of the game.
All I know is that in Real-Life every Speed-Difference at the exit of a corner onto a straight is carried down the WHOLE straight.
If you exit a corner 1 km/h faster than your ghost you should be 1 km/h faster at every single spot down the straight and therefore increase the distance to your ghost. (This applies until you reach the Top-Speed) Not so in GT5.
GT4/5 doesnt simulate this !
The Speed of the cars (..ghost and also if you race against opponent cars of the same type/settings) equal out each other at some point.
And this is not how it should be...
I surely know there is something wrong with the "physics" engine of the game.
All I know is that in Real-Life every Speed-Difference at the exit of a corner onto a straight is carried down the WHOLE straight.
If you exit a corner 1 km/h faster than your ghost you should be 1 km/h faster at every single spot down the straight and therefore increase the distance to your ghost. (This applies until you reach the Top-Speed) Not so in GT5.
GT4/5 doesnt simulate this !
The Speed of the cars (..ghost and also if you race against opponent cars of the same type/settings) equal out each other at some point.
And this is not how it should be...
- 181
- Cuenca, Spain
- GTro_danilc1007
That's not correct. If the acceleration was the same in all the straight until you reach the top speed, it would be true, but it is not. Acceleration is decreasing, and is less as you increase the speed of the car.
In other words, in the end of the straight, the difference of speed between your ghost and you must be always lower than the difference at the start of the straight (and the increasing of the distance between both tends to 0)
I hope that you understand my bad English. Not easy for me to write in this language
In other words, in the end of the straight, the difference of speed between your ghost and you must be always lower than the difference at the start of the straight (and the increasing of the distance between both tends to 0)
I hope that you understand my bad English. Not easy for me to write in this language
- 589
- GTP_Profi
- Whats this?
That's not correct. If the acceleration was the same in all the straight until you reach the top speed, it would be true, but it is not. Acceleration is decreasing, and is less as you increase the speed of the car.
In other words, in the end of the straight, the difference of speed between your ghost and you must be always lower than the difference at the start of the straight (and the increasing of the distance between both tends to 0)
I hope that you understand my bad English. Not easy for me to write in this language
hola, quetal ?
You are right, acceleration decreases gradually and is zero when you reach Topspeed.
But while accelerating you take the advantage of the higher exit-speed with you (you are actually faster).
And when crossing the start finish line in the game you are still accellerating.
But the speeds equal out way before the start finish line....
- 181
- Cuenca, Spain
- GTro_danilc1007
At that point, the speed depends a lot more by how you took the two corners of the oval circuit than the speed at the exit of corner 11, which is totally irrelevant if you didn't take it very bad and with very low exit speed.
As a example, in some laps I lose a lot of speed (maybe 15 or 20 Km/h) in that point (oversteering) and in the start line I have a speed of 248 Km/h (usually 249 when all goes good).
As a example, in some laps I lose a lot of speed (maybe 15 or 20 Km/h) in that point (oversteering) and in the start line I have a speed of 248 Km/h (usually 249 when all goes good).
- 472
- Holland
- GTP_CICO
230 is possible, I just happend to watch Takeuchi01 replay on youtube todayhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gG99JZaqQY.
eclipsee
Premium
- 796
- Spain
- eclipsi_RC
For some reason PAL users we can't reach 230 km/h across the line, being top 10 in the world should be enough guaranty to know how to get properly the last corners to achieve 230 km/h at the start/finish line in the stock 370Z but looks like this is not possible for us.
- 1,212
- GTRP_RudiRaser / GTP_RudiRaser
Did yesterday some laps with the US demo, 230 km/h is there no problem, it´s the normal speed. 
- 1,212
- GTRP_RudiRaser / GTP_RudiRaser
just watch Takeuchi´s lap.
Just did - I believe it now!
