Speed Record Broken: Holden HSV Maloo Tops Ram SRT-10

[amp88]

I didn't realise you called all pick-ups Utes, I thought it was just the car based ones. Learn something new everyday.

Anyway.. this is a truck...

I have to see a road train at one point in my life. They're just massive.

That's not a truck, this is a truck!

 

[Jay]

*Can't believe I didn't see this thread earlier*

All I am saying, is that the mighty Maloo,shouldn't be put in the same class as these monsters, it is based on a car, it drives like a car, it feels like a car, it IS a car, just with the convenience of not having all your mates wanting you to drive them everywhere, and the extra cargo space.

Exactly!

Exactly. I don't care if they call it the world's fastest pickup, but to call it a truck is wrong.

I agree, its a car with a tray, truck is just wrong.

"Worlds fastest truck"

And there is nothing new about this (Holden ute could beat 248 ages ago), they must have just finally decided to make a record, that I don't think it deserves.

Ahh, but the funny thing is that the VZ Ute and Crewman is actually more capable hauling, towing, and off-road than the American GMT355 pickup trucks.

Actually the Holden and Ford utes in standard form are not that great for 'hauling', with a hint of weight in the rear they sag lower than............ (you can figure out the rest )

Especially the modern Holden ute with its independent rear suspension (See we even get that in Utes, take that Mustang )

GM North America cut the car because GM Australia was cutting the car, its that simple. They had to make way for the VE/Zeta models, thus the GTO is gone, for the moment.

Because GM NA left it so long before you guys got the GTO badged Monaro.

They just have some absolutely FANTASTIC design studios. I defy anyone to tell me that these are ugly:

I don't think they are ugly but I think they are boring and dated, you don't see them everywhere you go everyday. Admittedly Holden does quite well with the boring jellybean platform they are dragging on for so long.

 

[ExigeEvan]

That's not a truck, this is a truck!

If that crashed it would take out a small town

 

[McLaren]

I didn't realise you called all pick-ups Utes, I thought it was just the car based ones. Learn something new everyday.

Anyway.. this is a truck...

I have to see a road train at one point in my life. They're just massive.

I'll have to be on the lookout for one next week then.
Hopefully, they aren't as nutty as our's, though JCE may have actually encountered one that isn't.

Now, I'm not biased against the Aussies. I love the Fords and Holdens you guys have. I can say your styles are "different", but in a good way. I would totally take a Ute if it was given to me. Would I buy it? No, because it doesn't particular interest me.

 

[JCE]

I don't think they are ugly but I think they are boring and dated, you don't see them everywhere you go everyday. Admittedly Holden does quite well with the boring jellybean platform they are dragging on for so long.

Dated for YOU. In America these designs are lightyears ahead of those from the US. When the Monaro was brought here I've heard some of the people proclaiming the interior to be "luxury". I see why they say this...US GM interiors are and have been quite bad.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Dated for YOU. In America these designs are lightyears ahead of those from the US. When the Monaro was brought here I've heard some of the people proclaiming the interior to be "luxury". I see why they say this...US GM interiors are and have been quite bad.

I think they all look pretty plain. They do look nice, but you can tell they were not designed recently.

 

[JCE]

I think they all look pretty plain. They do look nice, but you can tell they were not designed recently.

Plain compared to US domestic products? I just can't see it. Oh well, point is taken.

 

[Jay]

Dated for YOU. In America these designs are lightyears ahead of those from the US.

Light years? Its damn Omega platform, the doors, roofine etc is exacly the same as the Cadillac Catera....... dated.

 

[YSSMAN]

Again, the GTO was almost revolutionary for GM when it came here. We haven't had a car like that since the Monte Carlo SS and Buick GN went out with the 1980s, and the styling of the Monaro/GTO was a huge leap forward for GM atleast here in North America.

...The car may not be a big deal in Australia, but in America for most GM fans, the GTO was the start of the company's turnaround.

 

[Jay]

Again, the GTO was almost revolutionary for GM when it came here. We haven't had a car like that since the Monte Carlo SS and Buick GN went out with the 1980s, and the styling of the Monaro/GTO was a huge leap forward for GM atleast here in North America.

Well Monaro is different, I really like them because they actually modified the whole platform so it even looks different, its the 4 doors I have most issues with. It still amazes me sometimes by how nice Monaros look for some angles when seen in person.

...The car may not be a big deal in Australia, but in America for most GM fans, the GTO was the start of the company's turnaround.

Well when the Monaro first went on sale in the US I heard nothing but bad reports, mainly the styling is too plain, boring, overall a dissapointment and not worthy of the GTO badge.

 

[YSSMAN]

Thats what a lot of idiotic people had said, but most of the country warmed up to the car pretty quickly. Die-hard GM guys liked it from the start for its good looks, awesome interior, great all-around performance, and cheap price.

I think Larry Webster at Car and Driver put it best when he compared the then new GTO to the origional 1964 Temptest GTO. Being that the origional Tempest GTO was baisically your Grandma's car with the big 389 Tri-Power, the new one would have been your Grandma's Catera with the Corvette's LS1. Stealth looks and big power was what made the GTO a legend, but sadly most GTO fans ignore the '64 and only consider the '65-'72 models as the true GTO.

 

[Jay]

I'll have to be on the lookout for one next week then.
Hopefully, they aren't as nutty as our's, though JCE may have actually encountered one that isn't.

Unless you are going well out into the country you wont see a road train, biggest truck you will see closer to the citys is a B double



B double

 

[McLaren]

Unless you are going well out into the country you wont see a road train, biggest truck you will see closer to the citys is a B double

B double

OT: Don't know. I plan to explore a good deal, so maybe.

Ok, back to the topic.

 

[Regulatin]

That's not a truck. It look's like a Subaru Baja with a new Vette motor in it. Dodge should just put a hardtop on the Viper, and a little trunk in the back.

 

[Hapul]

Maybe, it's a pickup, but certainly not a truck.

They should just give it the pickup car record.

I disagree - The only reason that the ram looks more like a real truck is it is high-up, big and intimidating with a big cab for putting big, fat americans in. The HSV has a similar load space, and it's lower down, making it arguably more practical to use as a 'truck'.

 

[Jay]

I disagree - The only reason that the ram looks more like a real truck is it is high-up, big and intimidating with a big cab for putting big, fat americans in. The HSV has a similar load space, and it's lower down, making it arguably more practical to use as a 'truck'.

Lower down allowing the rear to sag to the ground with a hint of a load in it. How good is a SRT-10 RAM for 'hauling' weight?

 

[Casio]

Lower down allowing the rear to sag to the ground with a hint of a load in it.

It's max payload is 785lbs. )I think I'm reading that clutter of numbers down the bottom right)

How good is a SRT-10 RAM for 'hauling' weight?

[SIZE=-1]1010 lbs[/SIZE]

 

[YSSMAN]

...Yes, unfortunately the Ram isn't the most capable truck available on the market, but it isn't supposed to be. Anyone who uses that tuck as a "work truck" is simply insane here in the US. Atleast the former SVT Lightning (Ford) and Silverado SS (Chevrolet) could be used to do things, but alas, the Dodge could not.

 

[Tornado]

Atleast the former SVT Lightning (Ford) and Silverado SS (Chevrolet) could be used to do things, but alas, the Dodge could not.

The Silverado SS isn't exactly the best example of a sport truck. It was more along the lines of a truck with sporty stickers and badges.

I disagree - The only reason that the ram looks more like a real truck is it is high-up, big and intimidating with a big cab for putting big, fat americans in. The HSV has a similar load space, and it's lower down, making it arguably more practical to use as a 'truck'.

So, if I was to take a 3rd gen. Camaro, rip the rear glass off and beef up the rear suspension, it would be cosidered a truck more than a purpose-built, body on frame vehicle? Because in all honesty, niether this nor the El Camino were ever really trucks. The Ranchero was a truck.

 

[JCE]

I disagree - The only reason that the ram looks more like a real truck is it is high-up, big and intimidating with a big cab for putting big, fat americans in. The HSV has a similar load space, and it's lower down, making it arguably more practical to use as a 'truck'.

Take your anti-American slander elsewhere. You prove no worth to this topic with stupid comments like that.

[SIZE=-1]1010 lbs[/SIZE]

1010lbs is quite pathetic for a pickup truck with that much power.

2005 Nissan Titan: 1692lbs
2005 Ford F150: 1740lbs for the base model
2005 Chevrolet Silverado 1500: 1514lbs for the base model
2005 Toyota Tundra: 1835lbs

 

[YSSMAN]

I was going to point out those figures earlier. I think the biggest part of that is that none of those engine displacements are any larger than 5.4L.

The SRT-10 Ram? 8.3L...

 

[JCE]

I was going to point out those figures earlier. I think the biggest part of that is that none of those engine displacements are any larger than 5.4L.

The SRT-10 Ram? 8.3L...

The Titan is 5.6L BTW. But yes I get your point and I agree with it. I'm curious as to WHY SPECIFICALLY the Ram SRT-10 can't tow worth a damn with 500~530bhp and more importantly 500~525lb.ft. of torque...can't haul or tow anything. 1010lbs payload and 8150lbs towing is pathetic for a truck with these kinds of power numbers...quite pathetic. Oh and you know what's great? According to http://www.dodge.com/srt-10/ they don't even RECOMMEND towing ANYTHING with the single cab! That's just classic.

Model / Cab
Quad Cab SRT10 / Regular Cab SRT10
Towing Capacity - Maximum (Properly Equipped) [lb] 8150 / Not Recommended

 

[YSSMAN]

I'm wondering if it is a combination of the outrageous wheel-tires and the Tremec T-56. Not to say the Tremec is a weak trans, but it wasn't designed to pull a trailer or haul dirt with a truck.

 

[Eric.]

Well, it is something to do with the drivetrain because the Quad Cab has an automatic. Automatic trucks always have a higher towing capacity, which makes me think the clutch could be worn out too quickly when trying to take off with a heavy load or something like that.

 

[YSSMAN]

That would be my best guess. Of course, Chrysler transmissions aren't known for their strength like that of GM's automatics, but they seem to hold up well in their truck line.

 

[Tornado]

It might be because the SRT-10 has a high compression aluminum block V-10 in comparison to the normal Ram V-10 low compression iron block. I would imagine aluminum engines wouldn't be that great for hauling things.

 

[YSSMAN]

GM uses all-aluminum engines in their Cadilalc Escalade and GMC Yukon when they are equipped with the L92 V8. I think the new version of the Vortec 5300, dubed the L59 is all-aluminum, as is the LM4 that is currently used in the Trailblazer EXT and Envoy XL. All of those engines work pretty well in heavy-duty situations, but I'm not sure what the next-gen GMT900-based Silverado and Sierra will use.