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Some cars, like an E-type Jag, should just never have a wing. Others already have a wing. And no, there's no way to override it.
 
I haven't done much tuning for down force and such, but it's my understanding that we have to put that big god-awful ugly spoiler on our cars in order to be able to tune them, right? If so, that really sucks.

Why not get some "real" spoilers (like the ones that actually work), not just the ones that they put on Hondas to make them look "cool". I've seen those things literarily "flap", like wings, in the wind going 60 on the highway. Imagine what they would do at 120!

Sorry, off my soapbox now...
 
A lot of the ones you see on hondas to make them look "cool" are real wings, that DO function. If they're aluminum or carbon fiber wings you're seeing on all these cars, then they're functional and create downforce. The fiberglass wings or whatever do not however. Carbon fiber wings are in right now I guess, I've been out of the car scene for a while after my car got wrecked. I have an aluminum dual plane APR wing in my closet right now, it's fully functional. I need to get rid of it too.
 
I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. SOME of the wings avaiable are the ones I see flapping like wings on the highway.
 
MOst of the cars I have seen sporting these "cool", paste on wings would have blown up long before the speeds needed to put the downforce into effect were reached. Besides which, they just look stupid in most cases because they are so out of phase with the rest of the lines on the car.
 
Yes, cheap ones will literally buffet around. My favorites are the ones that are installed so the trailing edge points slightly downward...

But the real world and yet another "rice" discussion aside, YES, you need to add the wing to cars that don't have it if you wish to adjust downforce. But the cool thing is you get an invisible splitter, too, because you add adjustable front downforce as well.
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wheelow
flapping as in they're flimsy, litterally moving (flapping) ?
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Yes, like wings. Imagine this big plastic spoiler like this:

(ignore the i's and 0's, they were used for spacing)

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Then imagine that the flex point is at the same place I've placed the tick marks (`). As the car goes down the road, the spoiler flexes at these two points up and down. Creating a flapping motion that looks like a chicken trying to fly. I would guess that the one I saw the other day, was flexing at least 3-4" up and 3-4" down, so a total distance of 6 - 8".
 
Duke
Yes, cheap ones will literally buffet around. My favorites are the ones that are installed so the trailing edge points slightly downward...

But the real world and yet another "rice" discussion aside...
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Sorry... I know... :indiff:


Duke
YES, you need to add the wing to cars that don't have it if you wish to adjust downforce. But the cool thing is you get an invisible splitter, too, because you add adjustable front downforce as well.
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Thanks
 
chevguy
Yes, like wings. Imagine this big plastic spoiler like this:

(ignore the i's and 0's, they were used for spacing)

|------`--------`-------|
iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii00| |
iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii00| |

Then imagine that the flex point is at the same place I've placed the tick marks (`). As the car goes down the road, the spoiler flexes at these two points up and down. Creating a flapping motion that looks like a chicken trying to fly. I would guess that the one I saw the other day, was flexing at least 3-4" up and 3-4" down, so a total distance of 6 - 8".
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I mean, I get what you're saying about the whole flapping thing, but I've never heard of or seen any of these wings doing that. haha, I need to witness this and get a good laugh. I'm sure it looks really stupid. I don't understand why some of these people buy cheap stuff for their cars. Maybe they don't have any other option.
 
lo, it would be hilarious to see a hardcore racer have his wings fly off or bend while going 110 on the freeway, hhahaha.

cheap stuff aint good, unless ur a poser and u add a wing just for looks and u odont race that car...that would be so wasteful



djaft3rb3ats
 
Hmm? have been driving for years in a country where almost every boy racer has an aluminum wing and I have never seen ANY of them flex. You guys sure have some crappy stuff over in the Americas. Here, you can get an adjustable wing for under 50 bucks that actually makes downforce... makes the boyracer happy, until their trunk lid starts caving in from the weight of an improperly mounted and over-adjusted spoiler.
 
niky
...You guys sure have some crappy stuff over in the Americas...
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Been driving all my life on the freeways of Southern California, surrounded by tens of millions of people, each with two cars, its seems sometimes. Seen many thousands with wing spoilers. I have never seen so much as a single one with a flexy wing. All are as rigid as a solid bar of steel, as near as I can tell.
 
That may well be because you need to be going 60mph plus for downforce to meaningfully come into play (aren't you poor chaps limited to cruising at 55mph in most places?).
 
Well, maybe it's just up here in Seattle. Plese keep in mind that it's not the aluminum or carbin fiber ones that I'm talking about. Most of the ones that I've seen flex are the fiberglass ones.

On a different note, how fast would you say one would have to be going in order for sufficient downforce to be created that you notice a difference? 80 mph?
 
More like 100mph or better for it to relly have a noticeable effect. Before that there just isn't enough air passing over it to create any resonable push. Imagine an airplane wine. They need a great deal of speed to take off, as there isn't enough aerodynamic drag created before launch speed. Now flip that concept upside down for downforce. The speeds neccesary are not quite so great but still fairly signifigant.
 
So as I imagined, 95% of the cars have them for looks. They'll probably never see speeds high enough to "need" or benifit from additional downforce. Thats not to say there aren't people who race legally (or illegally) that could benifit from them.
 
sukerkin
That may well be because you need to be going 60mph plus for downforce to meaningfully come into play (aren't you poor chaps limited to cruising at 55mph in most places?).
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Maybe I need to be more observant. I'll pay attention and see if I can detect flexy wings.

(The 55 MPH limit was a relic of the old OPEC spigot-tightening days. Its long gone. Limits are 65 and 70 in California, and I've heard of higher elsewhere.)
 
To the English guy: a few years ago they switched back to the higher speed limits, plus there is an unspoken allowance of about 10 mph over the posted speed limit in most places (so when the weather is bad, the government can't be sued when someone says 'It was raining and I was going the speed limit and had an accident...', ie. go the speed limit when conditions aren't perfect.). So what we have is a lot of people legally driving close to 75-80 mph, right next to the police car in the next lane.
 
Well, there are wings and there are wings. I've never seen an aluminum wing flex either. I'm talking about the cheapo fiberglas or ABS ones.
 
doormeister
So what we have is a lot of people legally driving close to 75-80 mph, right next to the police car in the next lane.
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Damn dude, what state do you live in? Most places around here (Seattle) they would pull your butt over and give you a nice big fat speeding ticket for 75 let alone 80!
 
chevguy
Damn dude, what state do you live in? Most places around here (Seattle) they would pull your butt over and give you a nice big fat speeding ticket for 75 let alone 80!
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In the UK it's generally safe to go 80 on the motorway. Most of the traffic moves at 80-90mph. If you're driving a dodgy car or you look like a "boy racer" the police might pull you over, but normally they'd either let you go, or pull alongside and tell you to slow down a bit.
 
chevguy
Damn dude, what state do you live in? Most places around here (Seattle) they would pull your butt over and give you a nice big fat speeding ticket for 75 let alone 80!
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Around here, before I wrecked my mustang GT, I'd average about 90 on the highways here, going from one part of the city to the other. I wasn't always the only one. But yeah, they'd definitely pull me for that here. I was doing 20 over what I should have been.
 
Back in the days of 55 mph, my father took a business trip to LA. He was tootling along at 70 mph in his rental when a CHP motorcycle cop pulled up alongside him and told him to speed up! He was holding up traffic.
 
Duke
Back in the days of 55 mph, my father took a business trip to LA. He was tootling along at 70 mph in his rental when a CHP motorcycle cop pulled up alongside him and told him to speed up! He was holding up traffic.
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That is Hilarious! I had a history teacher in high school about 7 years ago, who drove a 68 Camaro. He was on his way to Chicago, driving through Montana on the highway when a cop pulled up next to him and pulled him over. The cop then proceeded to ask him if he could drag race his cop car against my teachers Camaro! It's too funny.
 

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