Sponge promoting homosexuality?

[PublicSecrecy]

I guess technically I'm atheist then. About 75% atheist and 25% agnostic.

 

[KieranMurphy]

Condoning and tolerating, in this situation (and in definition) are basically the same thing.

To condone something means to approve of it.

To tolerate something means that you're willing to live with it.

edit: It appears I'm wrong. I always thought that to condone something was to approve it, it turns it means that to condone something is to find it excusable.


KM.

 

[vladimir]

You know what really bugs me? The fact that people think that just because there are homosexuals, everyone has to tolerate them. You make a decision to be gay, I make a decision not to like, tolerate, or condone it.

You forget, this is the land of the free, for everyone. The door swings both ways, like it or not.

uhm, does that allow me to discriminate against blacks because they choose to be black?

 

[Ghost C]

uhm, does that allow me to discriminate against blacks because they choose to be black?

Because as we all know, you really can choose what color your skin is.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

uhm, does that allow me to discriminate against blacks because they choose to be black?

Of all the races to "discriminate" against, why did you have to pick "Black"?

j/k

 

[PublicSecrecy]

yah man, u startin somethin? huh? u wanna take this outside? ill bring all my- oh wait he said black

j/p

 

[vladimir]

Because as we all know, you really can choose what color your skin is.

didn't you just say that gays chose their sexuality? blacks can become white, micheal jackson proved that, it may be expensive, but it is possible.
however, i have no clue how someone should change his sexuality. but you seem to know, any chance you could enlighten us?

 

[Ghost C]

didn't you just said that gays could choose to become straight? blacks can become white, micheal jackson proved that, it may be expensive, but it is possible.
however, i have no clue how someone should change his sexuality. but you seem to know, any chance you could enlighten us?

No, I said homosexuals make a choice to be the way they are.

There's absolutely no comparison between not accepting someone because of their ethnicity, and not accepting someone because of their choices.

Stop rehashing the same argument over and over again.

 

[vladimir]

No, I said homosexuals make a choice to be the way they are.

There's absolutely no comparison between not accepting someone because of their ethnicity, and not accepting someone because of their choices.

Stop rehashing the same argument over and over again.

excuse me, but you have still not told me how a homosexual makes a choice to become homosexual. would you be so kind and explain me how that works?

 

[Silverzone]

I really could care less what the gay community does to convert little kids. I just think its sick to show advertise homosexuality through a well known cartoon character. really low. really, really, really low. 👎


edit: I really don't give a **** about anything these flames will say after this is posted. this is my belief, and its not changing. i really have nothing against homosexuals, but this seems really low to me.

 

[Silverzone]

sorry, double post.

 

[Ghost C]

Let me guess, this is the old "homosexuals are born that way" argument. Care to explain to me how that works? Provide some studies conducted by credible organizations stating that homosexuals are in fact born that way.

 

[Silverzone]

there is no way homosexuals are born homosexuals. It is a *misguided* decision each and every homosexual makes.

 

[Ten]

Silverzone:

1: Calm down.

2: Nobody is converting anyone. They're promoting tolerance for those that are gay. Not turn those that aren't into homosexuals.

I wouldn't say I was born gay. I had a few girlfriends growing up, which, to me, were sexually attractive for some time. It wasn't until I hit that bi-curious phase that I started finding them less and less appealing. Eventually, I found myself never even giving a second glance to things that would normally be a turn-on in a woman.

So yeah, I guess you could say I "changed", or whatever. But that's just me.

Can I just say that this is by far the most ridiculous thread I have ever taken part in?

 

[Duke]

I really could care less what the gay community does to convert little kids. I just think its sick to show advertise homosexuality through a well known cartoon character. really low. really, really, really low. 👎

If you'd never read that article, would the thought that Spongebob might be gay have ever crossed your mind for even a millisecond? I doubt it. Don't let yourself be led like that. The people who write that kind of article spend their whole lives looking for things to get their panties in a wad over, just so they can feel self-important.

 

[Duke]

there is no way homosexuals are born homosexuals. It is a *misguided* decision each and every homosexual makes.

Can you offer even the slightest shred of evidence this is true? HAVE YOU EVER BEEN GAY?

Every single homosexual person I've ever known, either personally or electronically, has told me that they simply felt different from other people, sometimes from an extraordinarily young age - well before they even knew what sex was. Even Ten here says that he didn't choose it, it chose him.

Something tells me they might know just a teensy bit more about themselves than you know about them.

 

[Ten]

I doubt there's a "gay gene", but who knows. Some people just naturally prefer certain things to others. What can be said? You're going to crucify them for that?

Hell, if it meant avoiding a lifetime of ridicule from the masses, yeah, I'd go back to being hetero.

The thing is, I can't. Women do nothing for me sexually, and I, nor anyone I can think of, would be willing to spend their life with a person they just don't become sexually inspired by.

I'm sorry, that's just how it is. Call it an error if you want. I choose to embrace it. If you want to spend your life quibbling over how I spend mine, go ahead. I'll be over here being a heathen scumbag.

 

[Duke]

I doubt there's a "gay gene", but who knows. Some people just naturally prefer certain things to others. What can be said? You're going to crucify them for that?

Hell, if it meant avoiding a lifetime of ridicule from the masses, yeah, I'd go back to being hetero.

The thing is, I can't. Women do nothing for me sexually, and I, nor anyone I can think of, would be willing to spend their life with a person they just don't become sexually inspired by.

I'm sorry, that's just how it is. Call it an error if you want. I choose to embrace it. If you want to spend your life quibbling over how I spend mine, go ahead. I'll be over here being a heathen scumbag.

👍

Nobody cares if a guy has a thing for fat chicks, or blonde chicks, or skinny chicks, or 'aggressive' chicks, or whatever... The world of internet porn proves that heterosexuality comes in many extremely specific - and often peculiar - flavors. But for some people it's just inconceivable that such specialization might extend to liking no chicks.

On top of all that, I can't possibly imagine a less interesting subject that who somebody else decides to sleep with.

And here's this for Ghost:

Twin studies and homosexuality

Bailey and Pillard (1991): occurrence of homosexuality among brothers

52% of identical (monozygotic) twins of homosexual men were likewise homosexual

22% of fraternal (dizygotic) twins were likewise homosexual

11% of adoptive brothers of homosexual men were likewise homosexual

J.M. Bailey and R.C. Pillard, “A genetic study of male sexual orientation,” Archives of General Psychiatry, vol. 48:1089-1096, December 1991.


Bailey and Pillard (1993): occurrence of homosexuality among sisters

48% of identical (monozygotic) twins of homosexual women were likewise homosexual (lesbian)

16% of fraternal (dizygotic) twins were likewise homosexual

6% of adoptive sisters of homosexual women were likewise homosexual

Bailey, J. M. and D. S. Benishay (1993), “Familial Aggregation of Female Sexual Orientation,” American Journal of Psychiatry 150(2): 272-277.


from Deborah Blum, Sex on the Brain: The Biological Differences Between Men and Women (NY: Viking, 1997), 132-133

"…homosexuality has been around for countless generations without its nonreproductive aspect making a dent in the unbelievable flood of humanity across the planet. In fact, considering the march of human population—some six billion and counting—I could make the argument that the planet would be a little healthier if we had more same-sex couples and fewer heterosexual couples busy pursuing their reproductive potential.

“The essential genetics may not directly code for homosexuality at all, but something correlated with it,” Bailey emphasizes. “Something that’s advantageous. What is it? We don’t know. The alternative idea is that it’s simply darned hard for biology to guarantee heterosexuality every time, that it’s not a stable system. The problem with that [theory] is that if it’s hormones that set sexual orientation, they don’t seem to have much problem guaranteeing that men get penises. So, why can’t they keep sexual orientation straight? On the other hand, homosexuality is very rare…in other words, we don’t know.”

It was Bailey, with colleague Richard Dillard of Boston University, who set off today’s zealous hunt for the genetics of sexual orientation. They put together a series of studies that almost everyone agrees established that there’s a genetic “something” in sexual orientation. “Everyone likes to nitpick,” says Daryl Bern, a psychologist at Cornell University. “In the end it comes down to whether you believe the data or not. I believe the data. And part of that is that I trust Mike Bailey. He’s very honest about what he has and he’s very cautious in interpreting it.”

In the early 1990s, Bailey and Dillard published a series of studies of twins, based on interviews with gay and straight brothers. There’s a solid logic to twin studies: basically, people produce two types of twins—monozygotic (one egg, split) and dizygotic (two eggs, hanging out together). Most of us call monozygotic twins identical and dizygotic twins fraternal. The difference is more complex, and more interesting, than whether the twins have matching faces. Because they come from the same egg, identical twins get identical genetic material—barring, say, the occasional mutation. Fraternal twins, from different eggs, are as genetically close as any other siblings—about a 50 percent match. But, like identical twins, they share what scientists call a “twinned” environment. They develop in exactly the same amniotic fluid, equally exposed to whatever the mother eats or drinks. They age at the same rate, playing more closely than siblings separated by many years. Identical or fraternal, they are treated by others as a unit in the way that other siblings are not. If you want to search for heritable influences by comparing the tightly matched genetics of an identical twin to the standard genetic link between siblings, fraternal twins are the best way to do so. They let you filter out environmental interference.

Bailey and Pillard recruited 110 pairs of male twins, half identical, half fraternal. In each case, they knew that one twin was gay. They then sent a questionnaire to the other brother in each pair, to determine his sexual orientation. Among the identical twins, 52 percent of the brothers were gay. Among the fraternals, the number was 22 percent, high enough above the background population rate to suggest that there was something distinctive in those families. The researchers found a very similar pattern with lesbians.

And Bailey has looked for confirmation abroad. His recent study out of the Australian Twin Registry, with almost 5,000 participants (roughly 1,800 sets of twins and 1,300 unmatched twins), also tracked the same pattern. Bailey is quick to emphasize, too, that his initial study wasn’t the first along these lines. A somewhat informal study in the 1940s, in which the researcher persisted in calling his subjects members of the “underworld,” also found a very high probability that if one identical twin was gay, the other would be as well.

Still, Bailey worries that the survey methods—he and Pillard advertised for participants through gay newspapers—may have produced slightly inflated results. That is, people who read advocacy newspapers, who choose to respond to a publicly advertised survey, who enjoy the scrutiny, who like to call attention to their lifestyle whatever it may be, may not reliably represent the entire community. That was one reason why he turned to the broader-based Australian study—and was reassured by the similar results." [emphasis added]

 

[Ten]

That was a very educational read, Duke. Thanks for digging that up. ^_^

…homosexuality has been around for countless generations without its nonreproductive aspect making a dent in the unbelievable flood of humanity across the planet. In fact, considering the march of human population—some six billion and counting—I could make the argument that the planet would be a little healthier if we had more same-sex couples and fewer heterosexual couples busy pursuing their reproductive potential.

Yup. This is where I actually see logical reason to appreciate homosexuals.

If you hate us so much, then think of it like this - at least we're thinning the herd. We're good for something, right?

 

[Silverzone]

sorry if I sound like an a-hole, but it is just my belief. And i wasn't saying that homosexuals chose that lifestyle out of the blue, but it is something that happens to them, that they follow up on. and again, i would like to state that i have no problem with homosexuals. it is my religion (and personal belief) to be against the lifestyle not the people. As an example, I have nothing against Ten,(or any other homosexual), i just wouldn't choose the lifestyle as something i would live by. example, Rob Halford may be gay, but Judas Preist still kicks ass.

 

[Duke]

And that's your right. You're free to choose the people with whom you associate.

Just don't believe that every cartoon character that isn't a muscle-bound manly man is secretly propaganda for an alternative lifestyle... because a lot of the muscle-bound manly men are probaby gay too.

I'm just trying to tell you to think for yourself and don't believe hysterical propoganda like that stupid article.

 

[Ten]

Silverzone, I have no problem with that. 👍

Everyone has opinions, beliefs, tastes, and views. Yours and mine don't match up. It happens.

 

[blargonator]

i am sad that someone has tried to blame a cartoon character for spreading "propoganda". its simply a cartoon and nothing more. i am becoming tired of my religion's views. i have gone through 11 years of catholic school and most of my friends are not willing to accept homosexuals. most of the teachers at my school are older and are not willing to change their foolish ways. hopefully one day we will be able to live in a enviornment that is not so angry. people simply have to relax and accept things. being hispanic i do understand how it feels to be discriminated against and its not a good feeling.

if the media wants to complain about a homosexual cartoon duo maybe they should look at a more vulgar cartoon known as ren and stimpy (im talking about the new episodes).

 

[PublicSecrecy]

I don't think theres a gay gene either, but I definately think it's something biologically related, not mentally. I mean, if a person is born and they exhibit "homosexual tendencies" (see Milhouse Vanhoutten), then how could it be mental? As for it "hitting" you at a cetain age, it must have something to do with hormones or chromosomes. Or a combination of both, maybe something to bring out a recessive gene or some crap like that, there isn't much info on it.

 

[Zrow]

Even if it is proven to be only a choice: why do people hate them? What makes a person automatically dislike a person who is attracted to the same sex, rather than the opposite? This is a serious question, I'm really curious.

 

[Sage]

Here's my question: If, let's just pretend, Spongebob's creators really are trying to promote homosexuality, who cares?

If you're Christian, and find Spongebob objectionable because you feel that it promotes homosexuality, then turn it off. Honestly, is it that hard? Not every TV show is going to agree with your beliefs – That's what's so great about America and the remote control. Appreciate both.

 

[vladimir]

Let me guess, this is the old "homosexuals are born that way" argument. Care to explain to me how that works? Provide some studies conducted by credible organizations stating that homosexuals are in fact born that way.

i would not have thought that it was that hard...
i did not say anything, about how someone would become homosexual, because i have no clue. but you did, you said they would choose it and used it as an argument. now i want you to explain to me how that works, as you seem to know it very well.

 

[McLaren]

If you don't believe in god, and you don't think he exists, and are skeptical of why everyone else believes in him, are you agnostic, atheist, or non-religious?

I'm guessing your atheist, which is exactly what I am, most of the time. However, there are times where I am somewhat believing in him.

So more like 90% Atheist, 10% Agnostic, but I'm sure that'll classify as Agnostic since you have some belief.

 

[blargonator]

you can't really be both agnostic and atheist. religion is a weird subject because im so used to a catholic surrounding and have never really been around non-catholics. personally i try to steer clear of religious topics in person though because of opinions.

 

[Ten]

People just want to be happy. Why would you take that away from someone, over something so trivial? Nobody is hurt by homosexuality - only those that make themselves offended by it.

I think we've rehashed this enough. Much like my Canada-bashing Fox media thread, this is just people making themselves angry for the sake of attention and nation-wide frustration.

The Sponge is not a tool of the gay community. It's just a damn cartoon. And even if it was...what's so damned bad about asking people to leave gays alone? I swear, you people will find ANYTHING to b*tch about...

That's it, you've done it. I'm adding mid-90's unity lyrics to my signature.

Are we at maximum lock potential yet? While we're at it, toss a padlock on my Canada thread. Boy, do I ever regret posting that one...