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Sport mode NEEDS tuning back!
- Thread starter bmxmitch
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- 243
- Belgium
Only 1 possible answer: absolutely yes.
All these arguments against allowing tuned setups that ive read so far are non-arguments imo.
People who dont have tuning experience have www.google.com on which they can typ "GTS setup daily race", which will take them to www.gtplanet.com's tuning section where brilliant people like @praiano63 himself share their setups.
It was never a problem during the closed beta, whenever i asked someone that i had just raced online what setup they were using, they instantly shared it, 85% of the time it were setups made by Praiano63
All these arguments against allowing tuned setups that ive read so far are non-arguments imo.
People who dont have tuning experience have www.google.com on which they can typ "GTS setup daily race", which will take them to www.gtplanet.com's tuning section where brilliant people like @praiano63 himself share their setups.
It was never a problem during the closed beta, whenever i asked someone that i had just raced online what setup they were using, they instantly shared it, 85% of the time it were setups made by Praiano63
Veinz
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The people that will dominate with a good setup will still dominate with default setups too. A lot of replies in this thread just sound like whining that other people are better at GTS than them, it is just a nerf to the more skill players to appease to all the plebs who are perfectly fine with using whatever the flavor of the month car is.
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If history proves anything, it's that tuning will simply create a new leader board car. You will then have races that are filled with that car and then you will have people like me racing something different because F*$# your leader board car lol.
While I agree that people who put in the time to tune should be rewarded, you have people like me who work 60+ hours a week and only have a few hours a week to compete. I used to spend that amount of time a day tuning a car(s) in Forza.
PD can make it "fair" by allowing any tune from the leader board to be downloaded. It's not really fair to the tuner/racer but if PD is interested in keeping a BoP I can't think of another way.
While I agree that people who put in the time to tune should be rewarded, you have people like me who work 60+ hours a week and only have a few hours a week to compete. I used to spend that amount of time a day tuning a car(s) in Forza.
PD can make it "fair" by allowing any tune from the leader board to be downloaded. It's not really fair to the tuner/racer but if PD is interested in keeping a BoP I can't think of another way.
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- Phoenix, AZ
- FerrellJ
This needs to stop. "Level field" assumes the cars are perfectly balanced. They aren't and you're never going to get them to be without allowing setups.
Case in point: a few nights ago, during the Gr.4 daily, I wanted to race the NSX. I felt like it was fast enough to keep pace and I really enjoy driving it. I drove several qualifying laps then switched to the Atenza I had just made a livery for to see how it looked. Blew my NSX laptimes out of the water. Went back and tried to improve the NSX times by running tighter lines that I found with the AWD Atenza but consistently lost .300 through the chicane every lap because of how unstable the curbs made the rear drive NSX. Because of the fixed setup, there was nothing I could do about that.
On a track without a chicane like that, the NSX doesn't need that tuned setup and, in fact, gains nothing from it.
How about we switch that around and say they allow fixed setups only in lobbies. Would you be happy with 5-car fields and no ranking / matchmaking?
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- Patclash
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Tidgney
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- LZR_Tidgney
Personally I wouldn't want tuning in the FIA races unless you do what Project Cars 2 has done. You can instantly download the setups of the fast guys so you can see what they've done... I literally do that in the community events that way they can set up the car how they want but I can also compete with them knowing that we're still on a pretty even playing field.
I don't believe tuning is needed though in the FIA races there's always going to be 1 stronger car at some tracks but I just choose what I want to race. Nations I play to win so I'll pick the fastest, manufacturers I'll pick the one I want to try/enjoy so I picked Peugoet this week. You haven't seen many around, and they were slightly weaker than the Porsche until the BoP on Monday and I think the Group 3 versions of these manufacturers have been pretty fairly matched!
The problem and the reason people complain about the FF cars is that they dominate in a straight line but struggle on the turns so you've got to really outplay the FF car in the turn to even have a chance at the position making it easier to win races with them. But that's why they are BoP'd that way I imagine as they are considerably worse in turns.
I'd also love to know how they BoP when you can change the Brake Balance as that can make a significant difference for a FF car
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I don't believe tuning is needed though in the FIA races there's always going to be 1 stronger car at some tracks but I just choose what I want to race. Nations I play to win so I'll pick the fastest, manufacturers I'll pick the one I want to try/enjoy so I picked Peugoet this week. You haven't seen many around, and they were slightly weaker than the Porsche until the BoP on Monday and I think the Group 3 versions of these manufacturers have been pretty fairly matched!
The problem and the reason people complain about the FF cars is that they dominate in a straight line but struggle on the turns so you've got to really outplay the FF car in the turn to even have a chance at the position making it easier to win races with them. But that's why they are BoP'd that way I imagine as they are considerably worse in turns.
I'd also love to know how they BoP when you can change the Brake Balance as that can make a significant difference for a FF car
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- FerrellJ
That's not how it works. I can't infer anything from your response when what you're saying implies you didn't read or understand the question.
You are suggesting that people with more knowledge and skill demonstrate their abilities in a setting where they are matched up with a miniscule number of random people and race with nothing to show for their accomplishments while people who are unwilling to expend even the most trivial amount of effort to expand their knowledge get to race in the premier events at scheduled times with at least a dozen other similarly skilled opponents and they should be happy about that?
That's fine if you think that way but I expect more from Polyphony.
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- Poland
No, I'm suggesting your comparison is invalid in the sense that when I create a room for racing I want to be able to set the rules which the game lets me do. When I race in an FIA hosted event, I play by their rules and do not expect them to appeal to my standards and taste.
Thus, your hypothetical above does not make sense which is why I did not acknowledge it initially.
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- Phoenix Az.
- HuddyBob
yep, allow spring rate, roll bar, shock, lsd and rear gear... ultimately trans gearing would be nice too.
I get ride height, weight and power...
How many that don't want tuning because it's time consuming have a custom livery?
I don't buy the time consuming bit.
If you don't have the knowledge, learn, it's a racing game after all not a fashion show.
/runs and hides...
I get ride height, weight and power...
How many that don't want tuning because it's time consuming have a custom livery?
I don't buy the time consuming bit.
If you don't have the knowledge, learn, it's a racing game after all not a fashion show.
/runs and hides...
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- United States
Is there one thread on this forum that hasn’t devolved into childish arguing?
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- stevenhiggster
Due to matchmaking those with mega fast lap times will still be matched with those with mega fast lap times.
Slower people would still be matched with slower people and so on.
It would just mean that the A/S ranks would become completely out of reach for the more casual racers. And tbh that's the way it kinda should be.
I know I'll never be an A or S, I just don't have the time to put in that level of commitment to "git gud" enough, tuning or no tuning.
On the other hand though, most racing drivers don't tune their own cars, they have mechanics and engineers to do that for them, so give us all an engineer.
Also there are always dodgy set ups that defy real life physics yet make cars in game ridiculous fast. But in real life that setup would be completely unusable. Happens in nearly all sims where tuning is allowed.
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- praiano63
After 1.06 , cars with no traction control are a lot faster than cars using it. The extra front grip the update give make the car a more agressive rear sliding corner approach . This is very fun and technical to drive , but the problem is that if you pass over your rear grip just a few with your traction control ON, you will have to wait a little eternity your car come back inline with your right foot down full throttle before having any out corner performance. It s a big lost of time and it s not fun to see the car in front of you flying away.
So you decide to try to drive with TC at 0 . You just will have to spend some few time to reeducate your right foot and then you will discover new faster driving lines, making you a better and happier pilot having wonderfull driving sensations.
The problem , because of the stupid stock LSD accel setting is that only Aliens and others top pilots aliens pretenders will be able to dominate this configuration during a 5 or 10 laps race. Tuning would resolve this easily.
You like a certain car more than another but you have to go with the fast and tamed ugly little duck that was sorted by PD with a good average stock setting or just have a gearbox that match with this special track. Tuning would resolve this easily and allow you to race your favorite red car.
Tuning is not an elitist way to play , it is on the contrary the most democratic way to have fun been a performant and regular pilot offering more option of competitive cars to race for a given track.
Not
You don t have to
Yes
This is my point of view.
So you decide to try to drive with TC at 0 . You just will have to spend some few time to reeducate your right foot and then you will discover new faster driving lines, making you a better and happier pilot having wonderfull driving sensations.
The problem , because of the stupid stock LSD accel setting is that only Aliens and others top pilots aliens pretenders will be able to dominate this configuration during a 5 or 10 laps race. Tuning would resolve this easily.
You like a certain car more than another but you have to go with the fast and tamed ugly little duck that was sorted by PD with a good average stock setting or just have a gearbox that match with this special track. Tuning would resolve this easily and allow you to race your favorite red car.
Tuning is not an elitist way to play , it is on the contrary the most democratic way to have fun been a performant and regular pilot offering more option of competitive cars to race for a given track.
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You don t have to
, it s 15 seconds to copy and stocked in the tuning options, just one click to change.
Yes
But for a good reason like a wrong driving input or wrong driving line .... , not because the car don t let them do what they want due to bad stock settings.
This is my point of view.
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- Johnnypenso
Couldn't have said it better myself. I can't see a downside to offering at least one tuning race per week in addition to the current options. It'll please a great many players and bring more into the game that are bored racing untuned cars. I understand people being concerned with tuning exploits if there even are any, but those could easily be addressed by PD if they were concerned about it or even aware of it.
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Here we go again... I've posted a couple similar threads on this issues and it usually just ends up getting spammed by the same noobie ^knuckleheads sayin 'buh I'm ma casual and I just wanna race'... Well, if you're in this group, go find another game. You're in the minority. Tuning is and has always been a hallmark feature of Gran Turismo and is going to have to be integrated into sport mode if GTSport is going to survive.
Lock the Power & Weight ratios and leave everything else wide open to tune. Done.
Lock the Power & Weight ratios and leave everything else wide open to tune. Done.
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- viper9-al_
I languished in SR D for 2 months racing the Viper and the Ferrari .Decided to"bite the bullet" and try the Scirroco.Made it to SR B in 2 days.Don't know whether to be happy or embarrassed.Improving the BOP is the answer,though tuning the LSD would help us lead foots.
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- stevenhiggster
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I enjoy the lack of tuning in sport races. Would much rather plug and play than have to Google the best setup, or sink time into dialling a setting in.
