Sure, if you say so. Either way, what I said wasn't wrong.
I realize now you were correct (although I didn't think it was what you meant?).
My quip was that Joey is "conditioned by and immersed in technophile society". That is what I think of the present cultural moment, all around -- and I admit Joey had exhausted my patience by then, with what you agree is a stupid argument.
I concede your statement -- I am not conditioned by and immersed in this cultural moment. I slip freely between anachronisms and innovations according to my own principles, using things "no one" uses anymore
and brand new toys as I see fit. That does not make me the opposite of a technophile, if that was what you meant.
It all rings a bell of how you used to harp about how useless HD TV's are because your CRT tv gets much better input response compared to an HDTV. Sure that may be true, I just never saw the major advantage of it. Is it a little better? Maybe, but not worth it really.
"Harp about". I don't need your approval to express not only a preference or simple criticism of a product, but my lived experience. I can't help being as sensitive to latency as I am.
Let's not have hard feelings over something you have misread, please. (See "Then I'm not sure why you're pretending..." below)
You're being abrasive for no reason to someone that hasn't done anything of the sort to you, because of an opinion that isn't shared. Not something I expected from you to be honest, but I guess everyone has their bad days.
Responding to what I thought was a reasonable point of view -- one that you have now agreed with -- by repeatedly denying it and assuring me in a manner of speaking that I am S.O.L., even if I am not anxious about it, came across as abrasive to me.
Reading that post did nothing to change what I said.
If nothing I've written can convince you that I am neither offended nor bothered about a future in gaming that neither you or I believe in, I don't know what you expect.
I mean what I say, and if I realize what I said has been misconstrued (which has a frustrating tendency to go really wrong when it happens, like in this instance now), I correct myself or clarify.
Then I'm not sure why you're pretending that having streaming options is going to be an end all to anything. You're not saying it outright, but you're very well parading it that way. Hell, I still collect and play vinyls from bands that barely came out a year ago on 50 year old hardware. No future advancement has changed that at all, so I'm not sure what the huff and puff is about, if only to just stroke ones own ego about how their opinion is more valid with all these definitive statements you're trying to make about someone's opinion being wrong and you being right.
Let's take these next parts slowly, please. That is an earnest plea, not sarcasm.
I don't think having streaming options is going to be an end all to anything. That was the point in the first place. I know vinyls are still a thing, which was part of the point -- I get tempted even though I don't already own a record player. I agree future advancements won't change that, which was the point. The "huff and puff" was parleying with someone repeatedly denying what you have just said.
Opinions not being up for debate was a source of abrasion. Joey told me my opinion on streaming (not the future of gaming, but my preference against adopting streaming games) means jack all in the face of a future he believes I cannot avoid. I do not debate opinions -- that is not a difficult habit to keep. You know some of my post history.
Not sure who even said that it will be the future of all gaming. Any and every streaming service introduced has never been the future of all of.. anything.. really. It's been an alternative. It's a statement of fact against something that no one said.
Please take another look:
mika haka: "Stadia gave up too easily with streaming as its the future of gaming."
Wolfe: "Yeah, that'll be a big fat 'never' from me. To each their own." (Extra context: my attitude was directed at game-streaming as a casual expression of my preference, and was not intended to be directed at mika)
Wolfe: "Streaming is like VR...it isn't the future of all gaming."
Joey: "But it is going to be the future unless something comes along that's better, which right now is nothing."
Wolfe: "I'm just tired of the refrain that streaming is the future of gaming..."
Joey: "...as of right now, streaming is the future of gaming whether people like it or not."
I had a really good day yesterday, for the record. Now I feel a little sick about how I'm being treated here.
Quoted for truth. Because I think that's all that's been insinuated from the people you're directly interacting with.
It's nice that you agree, but it is not what Joey said, as evidenced above.
The QFT is a rehash of the first phrase Joey took as a prompt to begin his argument with me:
"Streaming is like VR. It makes sense for certain genres, there's nothing wrong with being excited about it, it isn't for everyone, and it isn't the future of all gaming."
Argument should have ended right here. Nothing much to add to a one-way conversation with a contrarian.
I am happy to be a contrarian on certain things (see the top). I try not to come across as bragging about it, and some people get too excited over it (like, "OMG what, is that a FLIP phone?!"). It's not that big of a deal.
What's one-way is this dogpile. I hope I have clarified the matter a bit, because this isn't fair. I don't appreciate getting dragged over a misreading. 👎